Yes, the uses and benefits of the possible research are unlimited!
18% (21 votes)
No way! My DNA - My Property.
43% (50 votes)
Only if they get my consent for each and every test they plan to perform.
37% (42 votes)
I don't really care either way; it won't effect me directly.
2% (2 votes)
Total votes: 115



Currently, there are ten states that collect and store newborn DNA for an indefinite amount of time without parental consent. Many others take and store the DNA for a more limited amount of time - but still without parental consent.
In fact, from what I've been able to find, there are only three states that require parental consent before storing the DNA taken... while others have an "opt-out" program that (apparently) is not very well disclosed.
The blood taken from a baby's heel shortly after birth, known as the Heel Stick Test, is used to screen the newborn for some of the more common metabolic and endocrine disorders such as phenylketonuria (PKU), hypothyroidism and galactosemia. But, are states taking it too far by storing these samples of DNA even after these common screenings are done?
No one seems to know for sure what type of future testing these DNA samples may be put through; I'm picturing everything from a new "Super Soldier Serum" to the beginnings of "Minority Report".
But my biggest concern is, really, about two things - consent and cost. Let's say that the hospital and government officials obtain consent from the parents while taking the blood sample and begin to store the DNA... then in a few years new tests are developed for something or other. Should they get new consent for the new test? And who should they ask this time? The parents or the child?
What if the parent that originally gave consent isn't around anymore? When can children give consent to have their own DNA stored?
What about the cases of adoption? Who gets to give consent then? And what if the adoptive parents don't agree with the original decision made? Should adoptive parents have the original decision disclosed to them - or would that also violate some privacy?
Then there is the cost. I don't know how much room is actually required to store one person's DNA - muchless hundreds of thousands' of samples. But I would imagine that the facility would need controlled climate, power, and various other amenities to make sure the DNA doesn't "go bad". How much does that cost and who is paying for it? And, when the government is done testing on certain samples, what happens to them? Are they sold to other genetics testing labs?
Here are some articles related to this subject:
Parents Sue Texas Health Dept. and Texas A&M over Infant Blood Databank
Citizen's Council on Health Care
Parents sue state over babies' DNA: Minnesota accused of depriving newborns 'of lawful privacy rights'
Governor asked to shut down DNA warehousing: Legislature's plan to legalize agency's action vetoed
NEWBORN GENETIC SCREENING - The New Eugenics? The Case for Informed Consent Requirements for Genetic Testing, Baby DNA Storage and Genetic Research
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When I read the title, I was wondering what mode was being used to get this DNA. When you mentioned the heel sticks, it all came together. We call them PKU's, because that's one of the tests that's run. But, more commonly, they're called Newborn Screens, not Heel Stick Tests. At least, that's how it is in Colorado.
The samples we get is 10 drops of blood taken over two sample periods... 5 after they've been alive 24 hours, and 5 more 7-21 days later. They're on a little card that dries before we send it to the state laboratory. The lab has a way of reconstituting the blood to extract information from it, and they only need 3 of the 5 drops to run all the 20-some tests they do. We quite literally ship the blood, up to three days after it was taken, in a simple plastic bag and envelope. So, I don't think there will be much issue with storing the DNA, because I can't believe it would go 'bad' after the processing it takes to get to the reference lab in the first place.
While I certainly don't think it's ethical to store the blood of these newborns indefinitely, I don't think they should require parental consent when doing a newborn screen intended to make sure the child doesn't need any special diets or treatment. Far better to catch it shortly after birth than to have the child go undiagnosed and have a world of complications arise because of it.
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about how specimens are processed through the lab. The way you describe it makes it seem less likely that the blood would be used for purposes other than tests related to the health of the child they came from.
The way the original question is posed, it seems like the "tests" in question are tests related to general research. I agree with you though, I don't think that parents should have to consent to standard newborn testing and screenings. The only thing I was asked to sign a consent for in regards to my baby when she was born was for a hepatitis vaccine. Otherwise, all the standard testing, such as hearing screens, was explained to me, but there was no red tape around it. I think that is fine.
I was prompted to actually click on the links provided by Fanaile Essence because of your post. In the link:
NEWBORN GENETIC SCREENING - The New Eugenics? The Case for Informed Consent Requirements for Genetic Testing, Baby DNA Storage and Genetic Research
"Advocates of a broadened notion of ‘benefit’ often extol the utility of newborn screening for helping parents make future reproductive decisions...But this notion of ‘benefit to the family’ is not unproblematic...Suppose that expanded screening of an infant reveals not a fatal and incurable disease but instead a host of genetic variants, each of which merely confers elevated risk for some condition or other. Who is to say at what point an uncovered defect becomes serious enough to warrant preventing the birth of other children who might carry it? At what point have we crossed the line from legitimate family planning to capricious and morally dubious eugenics?”
This argument makes me question the importance, validity, and ethics of antepartum testing. Amniocentesis is often performed and is encouraged in most pregnant over 35 years old, and the argument for it is that disorders such as Down's Syndrome are more prevalent in children born to older mothers.
I had all kinds of tests done, but mostly via ultrasound and MRI which told me that my daughter would be born deformed with hydrocephaly. She was born perfectly fine. Early on I had opted out on routine AFP blood tests because I was overwhelmed with the information doctors were giving me about the probabilities of disease in my child. What is especially frustrating about AFP testing is that false positives are close to 50%.
"The controversy in these tests lies in many places. One of which is the accuracy of the screenings. While some claim that they have only a 5% "false positive" rate, most research finds that there are 80+% rate of positive tests while the baby is unaffected. The false positive rates depend on many factors, including appropriate gestational age, maternal age, weight and the presence of diabetes.
False positives may not seem like a problem, however, there are follow up tests that are done that do carry risks, like amniocentesis or chorionic villus sampling (CVS), which does carry a 1 - 2% rate of fetal loss. The standard is usually to repeat the AFP or triple screen. Another positive screen will then go to the Level II Ultrasound. Ultrasound can even be used to detect some of the anomalies associated with Downs Syndrome. If the ultrasound doesn't find a mix up in gestational age, or a multiple pregnancy, an amniocentesis is generally the next step. "
http://pregnancy.about.com/cs/afp/a/afptesting.htm
I went straight to the Level II ultrasound because they were so sure there would be a heart defect due to my aspirin use. Even with that technology, the results of testing were false.
I have since heard several people share about instances similar to mine, or even less indicative of mine where the mother decided to terminate pregnancy.
I am far less concerned with the issue of eugenics as a result of newborn screens than I am with the issue of eugenics based on ante partum testing.
The link Governor asked to shut down DNA warehousing: Legislature's plan to legalize agency's action vetoed @ http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83253 states:
"The issue is the collection and storage by state officials of blood samples and DNA information that first is used for screening against a number of diseases but available later for research."
So basically, collection and testing of blood that is used for the benefit of the host donor are perfectly appropriate, but after that, I feel the tissue should be discarded.
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A few ideas to ponder on this subject...
DNA, once cataloged and entered into a computer, the physical sample is no longer needed. This allows for a database to be created from these samples. This database could then be accessed by law enforcement for use in cases such as murder, rape, unidentified remains or paternity.
Granted this sounds like Big Brother science fiction, but the with computing power we have today and coming around the corner of tomorrow, the possibility is not unfeasible.
Though it may seem extreme to collect a newborns DNA without the permission of a parent your fingerprints are just unique as your blood and after every birth a newborn hand and foot is recorded the only difference is that DNA can actually aid in helping someone live a healthier life by seeing what genes are present and how they interact and cause our human form to establish. With technology increasing on our privacy of life I think if they are going to collect something it should be for the good and of course you know the good comes with the bad. Your iris is also unique and at some ATM's they store that information when you place your card for your security and before you know it our fingerprint will be a human bar code for purchase. Their are also alleeles that can cause serious illness to someone children and knowing that them alleles are present could prevent your child from inheriting it or continuing to past it down a family line. There are just alot of questions that could be answered as far as science goes and I say you have other ways of invading my privacy so why not put it to some good.
That is so true. But in fact, DNA does say much more about you then fingerprints. Fingerprints don't define your personality or color of your eyes do they? I don't think that they do. Plus, you can always wear gloves/shoes. I would think it is difficult to make sure no cell with your DNA falls anywhere you do not want it to.
It is, however, very good to note that there are no questions asked when it comes to taking finger prints or footprints.
This may sound off-topic, but I recently got in an argument with my boss over having cameras (for security) on the public city streets (which they do in many places of Chicago). Because we worked for a security company, this was a good thing to think about. My conclusion was that I don't mind if someone can see me, if I can see them. Basically, politicians/government can film me on public streets all they want, but if they are a public servant, then the people should be able to watch their every move. But of course someone can trick me into thinking I am getting the right information so that I consent to giving them my info.
I don't mind scientist accessing my DNA for health reasons, but I feel that they should definitely ask consent when it comes to storing your DNA on file. And nobody should be forced to give their DNA, unless you are a murderer/serious criminal.
Fingerprints don't define your personality or color of your eyes do they?
Your height, weight, and eye color are on your driver's license, FYI, and they're accompanied by your name, address, birth date, and in some cases, your social security number.
That is far more of a security risk than one's DNA, especially if the DNA is stripped of identifying information (such as the name of the donor) for research purposes.
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Ultimately these samples will be 'genetically mapped' into a database. These 'maps' will be integrated with medical, school, and criminal records that are already kept. Data mining will identify correlations between genes (often combination or patterns) and characteristics such as achievement, disease, and behavior.
There is presently controversy born of ignorance as to the roles of nature vs nurture in many areas. This type investigation has the potential to settle plenty of those disputes. Further almost every chronic disease, and perhaps even the symptoms of aging could be cured. Someday a retrovirus could be given to criminals to rehabilitate them.
The benefits far outweigh the risks. The risky part of genetic research is creating and manipulating gene sequences WITHOUT the type knowledge that could be gained by collecting this data.
"It is only by risking our persons from one hour to another that we live at all. And often enough our faith beforehand in an uncertified result is the only thing that makes the result come true."
- William James
Any good scientist knows that both nature and nurture are important for the development of an individual. All four of my grandparents have diabetes... that makes me extremely likely to develop the disease as well. But, that doesn't make it a guarantee. If I take care of myself, and maintain a healthy weight and diet, the chances of me actually getting diabetes are much slimmer.
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No no no no no no no. I'm surprised I haven't heard of this. How anyone can legally justify keeping DNA samples is beyond me.
HELL NO!
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thanks for sharing with us.
I do think that cord blood is a valuable resource, and I think that people should invest in it. I don't like how expensive it is, though. I know this isn't exactly related to the pole, but I thought I'd bring it up anyway.
If there is any benefit to be had from any part of a newborn's tissue, that tissue should be the property of the parents. The parents might be given the choice to voluntarily donate it, which is fine, but just taking tissue for testing without telling anyone? the idea makes me sick.
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I foresee this as another way to keep tabs on people. I am not completely against the 'big brother' attitude that our government has, but this smacks of extreme socialism at its finest. It sounds like they would be creating a database of DNA to better identify people accused of crimes and such.
I think newborn screening is very important. In my opinion, after the screening has been completed the samples should be destroyed.
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The questions imposed by the poll is medical related issues. However, it not limited to it. The collection of DNA can also be store as a nation wide database for criminal related topic. Whatever uses it will have, I am 100% against it. I am not against the possible benefit of it. It is the issues of liberty and privacy. The more control that agents of the State or Federal have on people and their decision, the less liberty and privacy there will be. When control shift to the State or Federal, democracy will cease to exist, if it hasn't already. From my perspective, this will primary be a system of control on the working class.
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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In addition to consent, the only other protest I'd have would be that the insurance companies don't wriggle their way into the database. Otehr than that, I really can't see a problem with the government having DNA samples of anyone. Think of all the crimes that could be quickly and easily solved, not to mention the research. a geneticist would drool at the thought of being able to have 300 million samples to compare.
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"a geneticist would drool at the thought of being able to have 300 million samples to compare. "
I'm a big fan of freedom and privacy, but the research potential to improve everyone's life is stupendous.
In order to make use of the genetic data it would have to be linked to medical and other personal records all of which should be kept private. Rules could restrict personal identifying information from being released to researchers.
"It is only by risking our persons from one hour to another that we live at all. And often enough our faith beforehand in an uncertified result is the only thing that makes the result come true."
- William James
I say consent is needed. Sure, maybe some uses are truly beneficial to science, but they better not be makin' clones or anything--unless the parent is cool with that. And I'm not sure how many would be, because then we get into questions of ethics and so on and so forth.
The original Social Security act stated the S.S. Number would never be required for identification. Parenthetically, proponents of the Act claimed that employee contributions would never be greater than 3%.
So now we will have central filing of health records and DNA. "It's for your benefit. What if you are found unconscious in the woods and no way to contact your doctor?" "You will have full control over who sees your information." Ibid.
"You want this (job, insurance, enrollment into our school)? Just sign this authorization. Shouldn't be a problem if you've got nothing to hide..."
Does 'Aldous Huxley' mean anything to you guys?