User Submitted: Do you believe in the US Constitution

Yes
80% (49 votes)
No
5% (3 votes)
I don't care/know.
15% (9 votes)
Total votes: 61
mvenus929's picture
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_Meke's picture
Volunteer for the Progressive U Alumni Association

That's a tough question to answer. I do believe that the constitution is a good document to govern our land, but I don't like the idea of anything governing me except myself. But since I have to live under an outside system of rules I accept the constitution. it's 90% good.

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Green Underbelly's picture

Just thought I'd pose the question to ProU writers, because it seems like the American rule of law and its foundation gets a bad rap these days. I'd like to see what kind of deviating views we come out with...

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creative_me's picture

Hmm..Do I believe in the constitution? but, of course...

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kariskoett's picture

I believe in its existence. I believe that it was written with good intentions. I believe that it is a good reference. I also believe that it is an historical document, and perhaps some revisions for our current society would be appropriate.

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Carrot's picture
Member of the Progressive U Alumni Association

I feel bored and tired of civilization as a whole; I used to be so into learning about the government, the constitution and things like that; but lately, I guess I'm more into learning how I, myself, can survive and not just survive, but reduce suffering and oppression by making/growing/raising what I need on my own. Civilization and everything that goes along with it (the constitution, the government, etc,) lost their charm for me after visiting Africa and realizing that even smoking a cigarette or purchasing sugar makes you an accomplice in Neo-Slavery....

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Green Underbelly's picture

This reminded me oddly of a Monkey Wrench Gang quote I read recently:
"She was too wise to linger long with any fad, though she tested them all. With an intelligence too fine to be violated by ideas, she had learned that she was searching not for self-transformation (she liked herself) but for something to do."

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hpiper49's picture

Through the course of my US History Class at my high school, I have read about the most boring document in America'a history, The Constitution. It talks about the rights of MEN (particullarly white men), while females and non-whites are excluded. Many loop wholes are in the Constitution. To correct them , white men had to make amendments. The Constitution has great ideas, but should have included the amendments in the first place.<<<<<<<<<<<<<333333333333333333 Hanna

about females and non-whites being left out of the Constitution, too. But it WAS written over 220 years ago, when women were disenfranchised almost everywhere and when most countries didn't have many people of different races...except slaves. Slavery was the norm for most of the world then, too. But times (thankfully) change and so did our Constitution to keep up. That's why additions to our Constitution are called "Amendments," because to amend means "to alter in order to improve."

~Violinstef

Poison_Ivy's picture

I like what the constitution stands for - freedom and democracy. Since times have changed and 2008 is nothing like 1776, Amendments to the Constitution have been added and taken away, which is how we keep the document up to date. When creating Amendments, however, we need to keep in mind the basic principles and focus of the Constitution - freedom.

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

kariskoett's picture

All PEOPLE are created equal? The brackets make women look like they were forgotten, an obligatory addendum, but not really necessary or wanted... I feel like we matter a little more than that.

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Poison_Ivy's picture

Well, we can go even further and argue the creationism portion of the quote. The brackets are there because it's a quote and the women part is something I added. What we need to remember about the Constitution and other historical documents written by the first leaders of our country was that they lived in a different time and place. In their day, women were not considered equal to men. Now we know better, that everyone is equal.

This is the way we need to view all of our nation's documents and beliefs. They were victims of their own culture just as we are victims of ours. It's their fundamental ideas that we need to focus on - the search for a life free from oppression. Keeping in mind they brought some of that opression with them with slavery and their degradation of women, but it was at least a start to build a nation.

kariskoett's picture

I understand why the brackets are there. And I know - they were victims of their time period. My argument is more for the fact that this is a document that needs revision to be more fitting for our time period, and the gender exclusive language is one reason. If we are really searching for "a life free from oppression," then perhaps looking into a culture that was infested with oppressive ideals is not the first place we should be looiking.

We don't need to get into a creationist argument... that would be fruitless and irrelevant.

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"All things appear and disappear because of the concurrence of causes and conditions. Nothing ever exists entirely alone; everything is in relation to everything else."
-Buddha

I thought you meant it in a literal sense.

~Violinstef

The brackets are there because the words "and women" are not in the actual Constitution. You put brackets around a word or phrase when you quote a document when you are trying to infer something that is not in the original document.

~Violinstef

TomorrowToday's picture

"however, we need to keep in mind the basic principles and focus of the Constitution - freedom."

I totally agree! I think too many amendments have come around (like prohibition) that tried to restrict what the people could freely do. I think the constitution should protect freedom, not restrict it. Like gay marriage: do not restrict it, protect it. I think that was the original purpose and I think we should honor that.

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Libertarianism_is_not_libertine's picture

The idea was restriction, namely of the federal government. Unrestricted government from afar scared the Founders.

sonja's picture

In and of itself, of course with changing "man" to "human," implying all peoples, the Constitution's great. It's such a powerful thing. Threatening to add an amendment that would ban gay marriage was simply a ploy to distract us from the war. However, it's turned it into a hot button issue, where that might make or break a candidate.

It would be nice if th government actually took the Constitution seriously. The original plan was to have a weak national government and powerful state governments. Knowing the power this administration has would make the founding fathers roll over in their graves.

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...the few violations of our rights which are made once in a while...the U.S. Constitution has never failed our country. It provides citizens with rights and a means to protect their rights via the Judicial Branch. In some cases, it is the only thing that keeps our Reps, Senators, and other assorted leaders from making a complete mess of the country. As we all know, the three branches of government where formed to divide power. They all have the duty to keep each in check. The Constitution can be considered a branch by the fact that it keeps all three of the branches in check, like an old watchdog. That is why I believe in the constitution.

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son_of_disaster's picture
Member of the Progressive U Alumni Association

The constitution has never failed our country, no, but our leaders have. The checks and balances are fucked up and the executive branch has the most power in America.

I believe in the Constitiution, but people are twisting it too much.

The Constitution is a well written document full of lofty ideals. I support it. But we follow it selectively and the Federal Government has grabbed a lot of power that it is not granted by the Constitution. For example, under what Constitutional authority does the Department of Education exist and where does it come off setting standards for the States?

Ultimately the Constitution is just a piece of paper. Most countries in the world including the most oppressive and vile have a Constitution that reads a lot like ours and in many cases started with ours as a model. But their nicely worded constitutions do little to protect the people from abuse.

The difference between our Constitution and theirs is that to some extent we follow ours. It is not so much that the words on our scrap of paper are better than the words on their scrap of paper but rather our culture is more oriented towards insisting that those words be honored. I see that aspect of our culture weakening and that is one of the reasons I am a conservative.

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