Hehe, I always love a good debate. I am recently reading a book entitled the Thousand Year War and How it affects us today by Richard Mulberry aka Uncle Eric. The book is phenomenal because it looks at the war from both our side and the side of Islam. I've argued this before and will again. We have wronged the Arabic peoples. I know a lot on here don't agree with me whatsoever. But cmon folks lets look at this from their point of view. The Crusades to Muslims is comparable to the Holocaust to Jews. And it was, the Christians slaughtered men, women and children along with animals. The Germans at least spared animals only because Hitler was fond of animals. After the Crusades the Muslims were persecuted by Spain, England and other Christain European nations. Fast forward to when America was sucked into the war in Tripoli. We killed innocent and non-innocent Muslims in battle. Since the Middle East is the oldest civilized part of the world, they hold grudges longer than a younger civilization of say America. When you kill a Muslim, you bring ten more out of the woodwork who want revenge. America never understood this and we've been killing innocent and non-innocent Muslims. Now contrary to popular belief, Muslims do not hate us...they hate our government. They understand that the American people are only smart enough to follow their government and have no brains of their own. They fail to see the hypocrisiy in this since they would follow Allah without a second thought, but that isn't the point. The point is that our government is stupid. They got into a war that started with Christian Europe over a thousand years ago. As soon as we got into the battle, our government becamse hated. We are hated because of killing innocents, but because we are encroaching on their land. Especially the land of countries who we used to support because they played us like a pack of cards. They claimed to be anti-soviet so they could get the weapons they needed. Then when the anti-soviet government was overthrown, the people who took over hated us because we had given the previous dictator power. Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Lebanon, I could go on, we've supported all of those leaders until the leaders we backed were overthrown by the people who hated their government for the atrocities commited against them. Then when they learned we supplied the weapons...well lets say just say that they don't take kindly to a country that backs a dictator. Am I saying the Muslims are right in this? No, but they aren't terrorists. How come they aren't allowed to come blow up our buildings, yet we're allowed to go blow up theres? How come we can can kill their civillians but it is an atrocitiy when they kill ours? We need to stop thinking like the damn Europeans and get out of the Middle East and other countries. Until then, we will be hated...not the people but the government. Oh and watch out, because once the Saudi Monarchy falls, there goes another ally. And yes, if you buy into the bullshit that the people we're fighting in Iraq are terrorists, then our Founders are terrorists as well. They weren't and neither are the Muslims we're fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan.