A big topic on everybody's lips these days is homosexuality. Should they be allowed unions, etc, etc. But what I find most appaling about this whole debate is the hypocrisy of straight men and women. Take this discussion I've heard before from teenage guys:
"Dude, chicks making out is hot."
"Yeah they are."
"But guys making out is disgusting and not right."
My response is, yeah, yeah right. It is ok girls to be in a relationship, but guys is a big no. The opposite is true for women, they find gay guys hot and gay girls not. It is so hypocritical and stupid. If it is ok for one sex to be gay, then it should be ok for the other to be gay.
As a good friend of mine put it. "We're all basically bisexual. If you watch a guy and a girl fucking, you're getting pleasure from both of them even though you claim only to be watching because of the girl." That is a blog for a different time. And next time you hear two people talking about how hot lesbian or gay sex is and how the opposite is gross, remind them not to be pricks.
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The opposite is true for women, they find gay guys hot and gay girls not.
I do not find two guys making out appealing. Two girls making out is slightly appealing. A man and a woman making out is variable.
But apparently girls are more fluid in their sexuality than guys are.
Of course, I'd prefer for no one make out in public. Keep it to the bedroom, and I could care less what you do.
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I find that two gay guys kissing is not really that hot to watch but two girls is very yummy indeed. But I am not inot PDA. Do what you have to do in your own spare time but let us have the rights that we deserve. EQUALITY!
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Does it not make sense for a straight guy to say two homosexuals guys kissing is repulsive? If a straight guy is truly straight, he would indeed find two members of the male sex not attractive at all. I can't account for women due to my own gender. I account from my own experience. Naturally, when I see two guys kissing I'm repulsed. It's not on command that I chose to be repulsed, but it just happens.
Also, watching two girls make out is not too exciting either. I agree with a comment on here, I think no one should make out in public. Just keep it to the bedroom. Another thing you need to examine is you're taking potential quotes from adolescents. People who haven't had a chance to mature and become educated to begin with. I find the more educated I become; I become less focused on sex.
So logically, if it makes them hypocrites then they're going to be hypocrites. Their sexual preference isn't going to change instantly. The best they can do is to shut up from what it sounds like. I for one, am not about to be silenced.
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Remember the Snickers ad from the Super Bowl a year ago? The whole premise of that ad was, "Dudes kissing is disgusting." And on the Mars website, there were video clips of NFL players reacting in disgust to the lip contact between the mechanics. They were not teenagers.
I think it has more to do with desensitization than any kind of natural repulsion. I mean, I think kissing boys is disgusting, but I see men and women kissing ALL THE TIME on TV, in public, on billboards, in magazines. I'm used to it. No one is really used to broad representation of two men kissing, so it seems weird and icky. Immerse yourself in some gay films for a day or so, and you probably won't have the same reaction when it's over. Unless your buddies are around, cuz, duuude....that's gross, man. ;)
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I'm not an adolescent, I'm a few years past that stage in my life, thank you very much. Though a few years ago (in my adolescence), I probably would have been more uncomfortable with two girls kissing than I am now. So... maturity has made it more appealing?
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Nice way to completely miss the point.
The point was, and these aren't all adolescents, so another point you're wrong on, that when one sex finds two of the other sex making out or whatever, but then says that when their sex does it, that it is wrong, is hypocritical. So you've missed the point and assumed that all my friends are adolescents, thanks.
Way to rack up the maturity but directly attacking me. How did I miss the point? If you read my response at all, you would have seen at the end I perceived that you just wanted those folks to hold their peace. You're saying that because a person is attracted to females, therefore is turned on when two females kiss, that they are hypocrites when they say they are repulsed by two males kissing. I say it's not hypocritical. They are naturally turned on by women and turned off by men. When they think it's gross that two men are kissing, they are being completely honest. It doesn't go against who they are, what the stand for, or what they are saying. Now I'll ask rather than assume you're meaning. Would you rather them just not speak out loud unless they have something nice to say, or do you want them to just become bi? I'm confused as to what you're exactly getting at.
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"Bring your desires down to your present means. Increase them only when your increased means permit."- Aristotle
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For the record, I'm not a lesbian either. I am madly in love with my boyfriend and wouldn't give him up for the world. Yet I find two girls kissing appealing, and two guys kissing... not so much.
He's talking about hetero people, like me, not lesbians getting turned on by girls kissing, or gay men getting turned on by men kissing... people like me who are madly in love with the opposite sex, and yet find two, say, men kissing not appealing, and two women kissing hot. One gender of homosexuals appealing, and the other not.... hypocritical.
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I believe we misunderstood each other. I wasn't referring to your friends as adolescents.
Besides adolescent is defined as someone who is a minor and not yet an adult. So I'm actually in what could be considered adolescence.
However, I'm sorry for misreading your original post. I just reposted it and realized what you were actually saying.
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And I believe I was being short with you, when I shouldn't have been. I apologize for that.
Some of my friends are minors and a couple are in their 20's.
Don't you just love being reasonable people. This is why i never want to grow up into the bigited pissed off old people you see walking around.
I enjoy discussion with you. You seem to have a pretty good logical approach. But explain in further detail for me. Let me see if I can sort this out that I can come to an understanding.
You're saying that for a person to think one set of homosexuals kissing turns them on vs. the opposite sexed homosexuals kissing that turns them off is a hypocrite right? Here's why I think it's not hypocritical. I think I see what you guys are getting at so maybe I can show you why I'm thinking what I think.
We'll start with defining who I'm going to use as a hypothetical example. She's going to be a female who is lesbian. Let say that she sees two guys that are kissing and is repulsed by it. She makes a comment to her friend whom is a straight guy (just random), "That's pretty gross." All she is doing is expressing her personal tastes with her friend or if she were in a group of people. It's her opinion that two guys kissing are not appealing to her. She honestly believes that it's disgusting. However she finds that two women kissing is appealing to her. It is purely objective and related to the personal preferences of a person.
Now here's what I would find hypocritical, and it may be the point you guys were trying to convey to me. Say we're still talking about this lesbian women and she says out loud, "Two guys shouldn't be allowed to kiss in public, because that's just disgusting." And in the next moment she says, "But it's okay for two girls to make out because that's HOT." That is hypocritical. She doesn't have the right to say whether or not the two guys can kiss in public or not.
I hope I've clarified what I'm getting at.
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You're saying that for a person to think one set of homosexuals kissing turns them on vs. the opposite sexed homosexuals kissing that turns them off is a hypocrite right?
Well, that's not what I'm saying, but that was the point of the post, yes. He further stated that girls would get turned on by two guys kissing the same way guys get turned on by two girls kissing. Which is what I went against in the first place, saying that I get slightly turned on by two girls kissing, and not by two guys kissing, and I know many other hetero girls who agree. I speculated that this is probably because girls are a lot more fluid in their sexuality than guys are. Guys tend to be pretty set from birth, while girls can shift some throughout their lives.
I do see what you're saying though.
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I can't make an argument to that one due to my gender. I have heard no studies or anything on it. So I'm glad you clarified your point of view for me and I'm also glad you understand where I'm coming from.
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I'm taking ideas from people I know and pop culture. I mean, I know girls who have gay guy friends because they won't make rude comments, and they find it cute when those guys kiss other guys. On the other hand I know girls who hate gay people all together (something about religious indoctrination). I didn't mean to say that all women are like that.
There's a difference between thinking something's cute, and getting turned on by it, or thinking it's hot. I think it's cute my little sister has a boyfriend. I think puppies are cute. Do I think those things are hot? Nooooo.....
Similarly, there's a difference between girls thinking two guys kissing is cute and guys getting turned on by lesbians kissing.
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Right.
I did seem to leave out the point I was trying to make since I know some who also get turned on by watching guys makeout with eachother.
The only problem with that is the major differance between homosexuals, penis's and vaginas. Just because they prefer people of their own sex doesn't mean that they in turn become their own sex. Homosexual men are still men, and women, women. So when I, a man of the hetero persuasion, see two men kissing (if I minded) I would be inclined to be repulsed as apposed to how I would feel seeing two women, who more closley identify to my sexual persuasion.
I'm not attracted to two women because they are homosexual, but because seeing two of the sex I want to mate with( this is turning ever so slightly vulgar) with each other arouses me. in conclusion, as I am not aroused by men I would not find two of them coupling appealing.
But the second paragraphs describes my feelings about watching straight people go at it.
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But, in my experience, straight women tend to find lesbians at least slightly appealing, while we don't feel the same about gay men. So your theory doesn't work for us.
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I see. That's sightly interesting and I have noticed this in the younger population. Alot of girls will be curious or pretend to be bi to turn guys on. I'm not sure if that is the only reason or if women have a natural attraction to each other. As I was saying before, though, just because you are attracted to homosexual females does not mean you should be attracted to homosexual males.
It is not the homosexuality of the people that causes the attraction but how you feel about the sexes involved. Even if a woman is straight she can like the appearance of other women without having to like gay guys, too. That's like saying a person is hypocritical because they like apples but will not eat grapes, they're both fruit arn't they?
I hope I havn't totally missed the point again.
I must be misunderstanding you, because your point isn't making sense to me. You seem to be saying one thing in your first post and something totally different in the second. You say you're attracted to two girls making out, because you like the girls, and connect what they're doing to each other to what you'd like to do with them, right?
In theory then, straight females should be attracted to gay men making out, since they (men) are the objects of our desire. That's what SoD speculated in his post. I am saying that I haven't heard from any girls who feel this way. On the contrary... two guys making out isn't terribly appealing, while two girls making out is. But I feel no desire towards women as a whole. I don't think about kissing girls or anything like that... I think about men and doing all that (well, specifically my boyfriend, but that's a product of 3 1/2 years together).
And my point was nothing about hypocrisy. Simply attraction. SoD's point was hypocrisy.
And just for the record, how old are you, and how old do you think I am?
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And just for the record, how old are you, and how old do you think I am?
Probably too young to be trying to argue with somebody as old as you come off. I am old fashion and wouldn't dare guess at a ladies age as that has come back to bite me in the past, so lets just leave both off the record.
Also, Sorry about the mix up. I replied your comment instead of using the bottom to reply.
Now, I believe I have a much better perception on my argument to share as well. I, too, have noticed that most women don't find homosexual men making out attractive. I hadn't said that in my comments before and I think it clears them up a lot . I have also observed (personaly) that most women, despite their sexual preferance, are attracted to beautiful women.
For example, I have a female friend who likes porn. Shes not a fanatic or anything, but she enjoys watching it. The porn she buys, and she's not a lesbian and hasn't acted bi or curious for at least five years, is always geared towards the women in the film. Big breast or ass films instead of penis or muscles(I don't know if any women watch that kind, I just put something in). She has a boyfriend but she still enjoys watching the girls, I guess.
I think that women probably don't find homosexual men arousing for the same reason guys don't, we're kind of gross. I don't have a problem with homosexuality but honestly guys are pretty hairy and our bodies are not made to be beautiful or sexy most of the time. The noises we make I find are more comical than exciting, while a woman can please a man with nothing but her voice.
Again I'm sorry for the mix up, I was tired yesterday and had a lot of apologies to make today. I hope this cleared up a little of what I wrote.
Chelle is only 20.
And I think you're probably 16. How does my guess fair?
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You see, you got me so upset I posted twice on accident, bravo.
Seriously Nick... it's not polite to tell a woman's age. Though, I tell Fanaile's age all the time, so I guess that makes me a bit of a hypocrite.
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I posted twice and then edited one and they deleted the one that had actual content in it. I want it back damn it.
I'm sorry :'-(
When I deleted it, they both had the same content in it... I didn't know you'd go back and edit the other one 20 minutes after you posted it. I tried to recover the content in it, but firefox refreshed on me. I'm sorry :'((
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I'll try my best to forgive you ; )
I'm not sure if I should be honored or offended you think me old. Both have their qualities.
Sadly, now that Nick has outed me... I can't use the wonderful comment I was going to make.
I merely ask because you make a comment about the younger generation, making you sound quite old. Since it was of a characteristic I admitted to having, I figured you thought me belonging to that generation.
Thanks for clearing it up though. Makes sense to me now. Even with the headache I'm sporting.
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Girl-on-girl "porn" has been out sexy pictures were displayed. Society is used to it and desensitized it to the point that more teen girls are experimenting when they used to wait for college to do that.
I would dare say that if the male gender wasn't so tied up in society's definition of masculinity or machismo, male homosexuality would have been just as commonplace and accepted.
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I just turned 18 and am now an adult, i don't think I'll ever recover from being a teenager, lol.
...that this stereotype is still so common. I mean, seriously folks...different people get "turned on" by different things, and sometimes just the fact that something is "naughty" is enough to titilate the senses, regardless of who is involved in the act.
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All stereotypes have some grain of truth to them. It is sad, but it shows that stereotypes do in fact still exist and they're far from dead.
True, but it doesn't become a stereotype until the grain of truth is blown waaay out of proportion. I'd say that at that point, the grain of truth is now a lump of lie.
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