Abortion Sucks!

Kayliecia's picture

Well i'm talking about abortion about a few months ago i seen some people on the street that said Dont Abort, so i was talking to my husband and we both agree on it. It comes up all the time in school one person says well "I think that i people should be able to abort there kids because if it was a life or death situation then i agree" Well guess what i got news for you i dont agree with it whatsoever! If people can have sex than they need to be man enough not to abort there children hello! you can do adoption if you cant take care of the child then Adoption is better don't kill a life and dont tell me that you dont have a choice because you do and do not tell me that the child can't feel it because they can! you are killing a life i dont think that you have to go on the street and make a fool of yourself but hey abortion sucks look under abortion on one of the google sites and it tells you what they do to them poor kids it like taking you out back and swatting you a few times with a stick! this is my Freedom of speech and dont kill a life. How about save one for once or dont have sex!

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But, I think it sucks LESS than the kind of totalitarian government that would be required in order to hold a gun to a woman's head and tell her than she has to carry a pregnancy that she does not want to term.

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serenity2511's picture

Exactly my point of view. Put quite simply: if you don't like abortions, then don't get one.

Good logical argument. If you don't like child abuse, don't abuse your child, but don't tell me how to be a parent.

God gave His Children the agency to chose for themselves. He did not give them the agency to chose for others. A child is a child, whether a zygote, an embryo, or an infant. Once an egg is fertilized, it is a child and no longer two distinct cells. I, like you, think abortion is wrong-o. However, my beliefs are very, very complicated. If you are raped by your father and end up pregnant, giving birth to your own brother could result in greater catastrophe in the realm of the eternities than ending that life. Also, if giving birth to a child, which would result in the death of the mother, is also not a fair trade, as a mother is needed more in the life of a child than the life of a child is needed in the life of an adult woman. Those are the only two circumstances I could almost warrant an abortion.
Too many young ladies see abortions as birth control you only have to worry about when you have already screwed up. They are expensive, unsafe, and life-altering, regardless of the morality of it. There are inexpensive methods to use to prevent a life from forming, and many are available in your local Circle K. Use them, don't start something you can't finish, and if you aren't ready to accept the consequences of your actions, keep your legs together until you are.

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It is your freedom of speech to say that "abortion sucks"; however, when you say that you are exercising your freedom of choice not to get an abortion. How would like it if the tables were turned and you were forced to get an abortion? Well, that is exactly how some women would feel if they were forced to go through with their pregnancy. And don’t tell me you need to finish what you start and stuff like that because you can’t presume to know what a women is going through when she decides to have an abortion.

JennieBystrom's picture

I agree with you some what. But, what if this situation was to occur; a girl is raped and is pregnant. I believe that that is one of the only true reasons to get an abortion. If she goes on with the pregnancy, and gives birth to the child, and keeps it everytime she looks at it shes going to see the man that raped her.
Jennie.

Libertarianism_is_not_libertine's picture

Your poor writing skills have successfully detracted from the point you were trying to make. Please look into a remedial English course.

But I agree with your sentiment. Now for responses:

@percivale: You fail to realize that abortion is considered murder in many circles. I would hold a gun to your head if you were planning to kill another human, and you would probably do likewise.

Besides, she already gave consent for the embryo to exist in the act of sex, whether birth control was used or not.

@Jennybug: I would not expect that regime to last very long.

JennyBystrom: That sort of situation occurs very, very rarely. Howe'er, the termination of the child's existance is unacceptable. The rape victim can put the infant up for adoption if she doesn't want to keep him/her.

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@percivale: You fail to realize that abortion is considered murder in many circles. I would hold a gun to your head if you were planning to kill another human, and you would probably do likewise.

Not at all. Many people do indeed consider abortion to be murder...however, the Supreme Court of the United States does not, and that renders such opinions moot.

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Libertarianism_is_not_libertine's picture

It's not within federal jurisdiction. Therefore the Supreme Court has no say in the matter.

Amendment X: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

I'll assume that I don't have to write a dissertation on the subject.

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...since in fact the legality of induced abortion IS a matter that has been ruled upon by the Supreme Court of the United States. Surely, you've heard of the case...

ROE v. WADE, 410 U.S. 113 (1973)

This right of privacy, whether it be founded in the Fourteenth Amendment's concept of personal liberty and restrictions upon state action, as we feel it is, or, as the District Court determined, in the Ninth Amendment's reservation of rights to the people, is broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy...A state criminal abortion statute of the current Texas type, that excepts from criminality only a life-saving procedure on behalf of the mother, without regard to pregnancy stage and without recognition of the other interests involved, is violative of the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

The Constitutional nature of this issue is already a point of settled law, and your denial is without any legal merit.

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Meh, not even remedial English could help here. I think the best idea might be to just start over.

I disagree, having sex is not consenting to anything other than physical pleasure as a result of interaction with another person. This is about as logical as saying having windows on your house is giving permission for burglary to occur, whether the windows are locked or not.

I love abortion. Read more here:
http://progressiveu.org/044921-i-love-abortion-even-if-it-murder

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Abortions? I don't like the idea of an abortion. I think, honestly, if you act irresponsibly and get knocked up at like... 14 or 15, it your own damn fault. But I don't know. Forcing these children into keeping the kid is more punishment for the kid than anything, I think. I would hate to be the child of an irresponsible and broke 14 year old. I think I haven't decided about abortion. I don't like the idea, but at the same time don't like the idea of forcing someone to keep a baby they can't handle. I don't know... Abortion is... a complicated matter.

"My Shoes Are On The Ground, But My Feet Are In The Air."
-Katt Martin.... whenever... who the crap knows what this girl is talking about anyway?

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Not everyone that has one is 14 or 15. Most people who have abortions are middle-aged women.

I love abortion. Read more here:
http://progressiveu.org/044921-i-love-abortion-even-if-it-murder

I dont really think getting an abortion is that big of a deal. If your going to make the decision at the beginning of the pregnancy where the fetus isn't even developed yet, than I wouldn't consider that killing the child. Plus, there are some situations, for example, some 10 year old girl gets pregnant by her step dad, I would think that abortion would be an option and should be one. I don't understand why people are trying to get abortion clinics closed personally. If you don't want to get an abortion and don't believe in it than don't get one, you don't have to make other people feel bad for making the choice to have one because you don't know everyones situation.

"If people can than they need to be man enough not to abort there children hello!"

The problem in throwing in righteous talk and attributing glory to those who are "man enough" to stick it out and have the baby is not, in the leas bit practical, because we impose our opinions (and not the laws set by the U.S. Supreme Court, as has been stated) on to everyone. Why is your definition of m urder correct? How is using birth control, as stated by the Catholic church for so long not m urder? How is not taking the morning after pill not m urder ? How is interrupting God's divine plan for a child to be born by stopping in the middle of ****ing not m urder? The answer is....they all are m urder, depending on who you are. If we allowed every individual to determine the definition m urder, we would all be considered fugitive serial killers right now. The only practical thing to do in controversial issues is to set laws in motion in defining m urder and what is and what is not acceptable in society. Now, we can be part of making or reforming these laws, but to take something that has been set legal and then instead of attempting to right what you believe to be an injustice in the system you call out individuals that get abortions as m urderders, you have crossed many ethical boundaries. The ONLY way to keep order in our society is to create legislation through democratic methods, and to allow the people to have representation in the creation of these laws, and that is what I suggest avid pro-lifers that throw around the term m urder do. By this group's logic, I can say that I believe when you personally isolating and insulting individuals acting in legal ways instead of working to end starvation in another part of the world is m urder . And, by your logic, I'm perfectly allowed to say this. There's no law saying that it's m urder, but that doesn't matter, I'll just take my personal views on how I think the entire world should run and then insult those that actually abide by the terms of civilization. It's my "freedom of speech" and I have the right to say everyone that posts a blog or even logs on to a computer for any other purpose than serving to benefit those in need are m urderers ....Log off m urderers, log off right now! I have taken the place of the supreme court and deemed you m urderers.....real practical...real logical.....this is what America is all about. Damn, it's good to have the freedom America stands for, and damn it feels good to be american.

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Note before you read: This is Pro-Choice.
No person, no matter how powerful or zealous, has the right to limit the availibility of a medical procedure on the basis of religion. If abortion is limited or banned, what will be stolen from the American public next? Public display of condoms is stores because they offend people?
Say abortion is banned. Where are all those unwanted babies going to go? Adoption centers are already unfunded and overcrowded. From my personal interactions with adopted children (so I don't know, but I suspect that this is a large problem), I see that many are afflicted with serious separation axiety and negative self identities. "Why didn't my mother want me?" they ask. Their pain was preventable as is the pain of any unwanted child.
"Killing a life"? An embryo is a collection of cells with human DNA. It has no more awareness than a leaf does. Only after the development of ears could you argue that it was a life. (Once the fetus develops ears, it can hear the mother's and father's voices and remembers them after birth. Hardly uniquely human, but it is taxis, a biological quality of life)
If the mother doesn't want to have the child, it's not especially likely that that child will live a happy life. It takes a lot of love to raise a child into a functioning adult. A mother prevented from having an abortion may not have love for her progeny.
I do not advocate reckless sex though. The choice is truely before the clothes come off. However, It is foolish to believe that a ban on abortion will stop or slow unsafe sex.

Sig: haHA!

How long must "pro-choce" people use repeatative rhetoric to try to sound like they are right. Religion has nothing to do with the argument, no matter what other pro-life people or "pro-choice" people say. Alot of things are against one religion or another in some way but that doesn't mean that we go around legalizing stealing, murdering born people, or sexual assault. As a libertarian, I know that religion can have no bearing in the making of laws and government regulations. A law should not be imposed if there is no direct or secondary victim(s) of an action. Equalizing aborton with murder under the law would be one of those times that the government should use the rule of law to protect the rights of the innocent. There is no right not to be offended, so condoms should not be banned inj sores. That's a stupid unrelating question. Then the classic argument of saving the child from hardship throughout his/her life comes into play. Nice shot at trying to seem like a compassionate bloeeding heart. But who the hell are you to justify klling a person because of a p-erceived horrible life or worse yet, predicting a future horrible life. Ignorant people like you, or anyone for that matter, have no right to judge the quality of another's life and especially a doom and gloom future prediction, in order to justify taking that person's life against their will. If the child grows up and feels like his/her life is tainted with haorros and just overall crappy, then they, and only they, may choose to end their life. Besides, why must these "unwanted" babies be doomed for a crappy life before the first 9 months of their life has passed? Can't leftists ever think positively, or is that too much to ask? Justifying killing people because somebody defines their life as undesirable is not a good road to travel down, because then we are all subject to being killed ourselves.

Ignorance shows no bounds here and that is evident in your saying hat a fetus is "hardly uniquely human". Of course it is. It is a living organism that is a member of the animilia kingdom and a member of the homo sapien species. What else would it be? A dog? A rat? an insect? Why don;t you just give up your misguided cause? Peiople who get it like me, surely feel the same way Abe Lincoln must have felt when argung against the "individual right to own slaves". It surely is frustrating but slavery was recognized as wrong and something that should be illegal, and abortion will be one day and just imagine how people like you will be viewed then. Kind of like how you would view a slave owner in 18th or 19th century. Is that what you want?

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"It is a living organism that is a member of the animilia kingdom"

Is that any relation to kingdom Anamalia, or was a new kingdom added? Why didn't anyone inform me of this?

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Blackout's picture
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As a fellow libertarian, might I suggest that you consider the Libertarian Party's position on this issue...

Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.

TTFN,
Blackout

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Nice. I may have to use this quote myself someday.

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Milk.Carton's picture

Why put an innocent kid up for adoption? How about the kid? How would the child feel knowing that their parents aren't their real parents. That their parents actually didn't want them... That they were the unwanted mistake. People should be allowed to do what they want. If they have enough sense of responsibility to have sex, they should get the right and responsibility to choose what to do about the child.

As a side note the Supreme Court did rule on the side of abortion as even Sandra Day O'Connor said that it was protected by the 14th amendment. But Scalia was 180 degrees on this. Beside the fact that it allowed abortion to not be regulated by state during the first trimester, the court CAN overturn it. There has been tons of more cases about abortion trying to overturn it, and the court still heldthe majority opinion that it was protected as a liberty.

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