This is from a Facebook note that I wrote:
Society has built us to think that we need all these great things, that are killed and plundered for. Right? You need your phone. Right? How could you help that poor Palestinian if you didn't have your IPhone? It helps you organize events and communicate information so quickly.
How could you be effective if you didn't have a nice house were you could relax. Right? You need to get rid of all the stress from the day. How could you fully focus on that poor Palestinian if you didn't have your nice house? You can have nice fund raisers at your house for aid to gaza.
How could you have all that with out a good job? and how could you have all that with out a good education and a good partner?
So the question is "Is it fair to say you need comfort to help someone else without?" I say no! I say I don't deserve comfort! I say the one with out, the one whose death is imminent b/c of my comfort deserves the comfort. And I have blood on my hands from my comfort, not somebody else! I take responsibility!
I will not spend time blaming you about it while a child dies, when I eat from your wicked fruit.
I will never be guilt free but as long as I live at the devils feet, I will not eat his crumbs!
It is from guilt that I wrote that note... I think it is justified guilt! I directly pay for the arms that Israel uses to massacre as an american! I owe the children that lost their lives in Gaza, the West Bank, and continue to be killed and terrorized, my life. I dedicate it to them.
Israel wouldn't have to use those arms if organizations, such as Hamas, and Arab countries, such as Iran, didn't threaten its existence.
And honestly, I'd say you should feel more guilty abo...
Iran isn't an Arab country, so you show a little bit of your ignorance there and Israel threatens humanity as opposed to just Palestine! There is no justification to kill civilians when you have a people controlled by land air, and sea! And then after killing them deny medical, food, educational material. Hamas got enough propaganda to float a supertanker from Israel's blatant disregard for women and children.
I agree that the system we live in is horrible and takes advantage of the perceived weaker people and countries, but to say that is worse then a slow ethnic cleansing...hmmmm. I strongly disagree!
raphael...
I apologize. Iran is an Aryan nation. So perhaps I should say the Muslim countries of the Middle East, instead of Arab. After all, it is the Islamic influence that lends Iran to want to wipe Israel off the map.
Do tell me, though, how Israel threatens humanity. I'd hardly classify Israel as a country who participates in ethnic cleansing, since there are Arabs who do live very peacefully in Israel itself, and if Palestine would stop bombing Israel, there would be no reason for Israel to attack Hamas in return.
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While you are on the right track, Iranians call themselves Persians, but I think Aryan did come form the area of Iran. But it is a Muslim country which brings us to to the comment of them wanting to "wipe Israel off the map" because they are Muslim.
Islam is a peaceful religion and most Muslims are peaceful people. So, Iran wanting "to wipe Israel off the map" has nothing more to do with it being muslim as an American wanting to wipe Iraq off the map has to do with him being Christian. But, do you have any evidence that Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map? I would say as of late Israel has been more threatening to Iran if you have seen the news stories of Israel preparing to strike Iran for its "peaceful" nuclear technology. (Israel has nuclear weapons.)
And any animosity Iran has towards Israel is most likely based on similar reasons I do, namely:
Israel has flouted numerous International laws and UN resolution, defied basic codes of conduct for treating people in times of war and peace with the unwavering support from the United States.
On how Israel threatens Humanity, we can look at Israelis themselves, b/c I already gave you a good amount of evidence how they threaten the humanity in their treatment of Palestinians. In Israel there are shirts that are being sold that have a picture of a pregnant women in Muslim clothing and it says "One shot, Two kills." The Israeli Human Rights Organization Yesh Din has asked to remove the head Rabi of the IDF. To quote a Israeli leading News source Haaretz the text he made available to Israeli troops "steps blatantly into politics, sounds racist and can be interpreted as a call to challenge international law when it comes to dealing with enemy civilians."
What solidified Israels intentions during the recent massacre in Gaza as not being just to defend from rockets, but to demoralize and beat a people into submission was the use of White Phosphorus on schools! First they shouldn't be bombing schools and second, White phosphorus is only allowed to be used a setting cover for ground troops and not in populated areas with civilians! It burns when it touches air. So patients were going into the hospital and doctors where dealing with them still burning! And Israel bombed 36 UN schools! They bombed hospitals, a total of 59 medical facilities, ambulances, facilities holding press, and the list goes on. They have one of the most advance militaries in the world! They boast of being able to identify, not just spot, people from their drones! And they accidentally killed 500+ civilians?
I don't know if you meant to say "If Palestine would stop bombing Israel, there would be no reason for Israel to attack Hamas." Because Hamas has condemned some of the missile attacks. And only started bombing Israel again after Israel didn't increase food rationing to them (Israel controls all the boarders!!) and Gaza was considered to be in a Humanitarian Crisis before the attacks!
Jerusalem isn't "Very peaceful." The way Palestinians are treated In Jerusalem is compared to how people of color were treated in America between slavery and the civil rights movement. And if Jerusalem was ever "very peaceful" it was before the creation of Israel, which Jews in Palestine were against, because they looked at it like colonialization. I am going to add some links of some pretty mainstream media sources. I hope they are helpful. I appreciate this dialog, thanks.
"60 minute clip" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_UwGgLdmdI
Jimmy Carter on Gaza
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIeKJY7E7lA
A news clip on the impact on gaza
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naPtVrq0Nm8
raphael...
But, do you have any evidence that Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map?
According to Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, yes...it does. Referring to Israel in a speech that he gave at a "World Without Zionism" conference, Mr. Ahmadinejad said...
Of course, this is only the English Translation of Mr. Ahmadinejad's speech, and there are some questions as to how to translate the phrase "wiped off the map." The actual Arabic phrase was, " بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود " which according to The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) should be translated as, "be eliminated from the pages of history" (which honestly doesn't seem much better).
As for the conflict between Israel and Hamas, there is certainly a lot of blame to go around on both sides. However, I tend to fall down in favor of Israel's position, because they have in fact made significant attempts to establish peace with their neighbors, while Hamas on the other hand has met every overture with an endless stream of rocket attacks that did not abate even during the most recent cease-fires.
It is also hard to condemn Israel while Hamas' charter explicitly states...
This is one of the main reasons why the non-muslim nations of the world consider Hamas to be nothing more than a group of common criminals and terrorists. Personally, I think that Israel's lack of restraint is unfortunate but understandable, given the constant assaults it has endured over the from terrorist groups like Hamas. Nevertheless, Israel DOES step "over the line" sometimes, and when it does the international community has an obligation to call them on it, and to insist that Israel abide by international law. But don't let that blind you to the fact that root of this problem is and always has been the unwillingness of pro-Palestinian factions to even recognize, much less to negotiate in good faith with Israel.
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What goes around come around. Israel has almost wipe the Palestinian off the map. Do onto other what you want done onto yourself.
http://weblogs.asp.net/rosherove/archive/2009/01/05/political-the-truth-...
The state of Israel was once called Palestine. Now, what is left of Palestine is basically the Gaza strip which house over a million people in a 25 miles by 7 miles retangle. Israel had built a wall trapping everyone inside and keeping basically everything else outside. It is a huge prison. The Gaza Strip now has one of the highest population densities in the world: Almost 1.5 million people live within its 146 square miles. What the Nazi did to the Jews in Warsaw is basically the same as what the Jew is doing to the Palestine.
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Warsaw_concentration_camp
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin
While Israel is doing horrible things, it is different in many respects, but I will point out one: The world is watching the killing and not doing anything or worse justifying it. Nazi Germany secretly killed millions jews, Israel is terrorizing millions of Palestinians in plain site.
raphael...
I agree.
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin
The plain sight holds much more than the whole world watching these dreadful events from a distance!
What the world sees and witnesses is indeed injustice, but to believe the world is justifying it, is clear enough a fact not to be the case, while maybe not a bad thought to question upon a personal level, why would anyone want to believe this to be the case in the first place!
When kicking a neighbor’s dog, one might keep in mind, this dog will eventually consider to bite you or your closest loved ones regardless of any consent received or denied by its BOSS!
To take a look in one’s own backyard will surely unravel the true root and origins of terror which is plaguing the innocent victims.
Those unknown faces you come across down your street, are as responsible as those unknown faces walking on the other side of that wall!
It’s more a question of attitude towards, which will reduce or augment the levels of mingling coming from the (outside witnessing) world!
While this is not likely to happen any time soon for all apparent reasons of what is happening in plain sight!
People always find or come up with reasons, preventing themselves of kicking their own asses, while in doing so expect all others to accept their reasons as justified actions which need to be acknowledge and approved by ALL!
While all what people truly need, is to for once kick no other but their own!
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What goes around come around.
Indeed it does. The country of Palestine and its people are now suffering from the results of their own actions, as well. As I pointed out, Hamas was formed explicitly for the purpose of destroying Israel. Israel however was not formed to destroy the Palestinian people. That alone is enough to make me tend towards Israel's side in this. But the MAIN reason that I tend to favor Israel comes from comparing the behavior of these two factions when the option of peace is placed on the table in front of them.
Palestine and Israel were under a mutually agreed upon cease-fire that began on June 19, 2008. The cease-fire turned out to be one-sided, however, as Palestinian and Hamas fighters continued to launch almost daily rocket and mortar attacks into Israeli territory during the cease-fire. As of Dec. 27th, when Israel finally said "enough" and responded to the unprovoked attacks, there had been litterally hundreds of attacks, each and every one of which constituted a violation of the agreed upon cease-fire. Here is a detailed timeline of Hamas' rocket attacks on Israel during the time period in question.
There is another factor which lends weight to my position, which is of course that Israel has officially recognized the nation of Palestine as a sovereign State, while Palestine (led by Hamas) has not reciprocated. This is the most clear evidence that permits us to determine who in this conflict is willing to be reasonable, and who is not.
The state of Israel was once called Palestine.
Perhaps, but its not really relevant TODAY. The only reason that the Palestinians have a country TODAY is because, frankly, the rest of the world was tired of hearing them bitch about it. Israel was under no obligation to give over that territory, and frankly the argument you are presenting lost any reasonable basis when that agreement was reached. The Palestinians HAVE a country now, and yet they are STILL engaging in acts of terrorism against Israel. When they took the deal, they lost any claim to the moral high ground (and it was a shaky position to argue even before that). Since stepping onto the stage of modern nations, the Palestinians have continued to act in a manner that makes sympathy and frankly even pity difficult to come by.
Israel had built a wall trapping everyone inside and keeping basically everything else outside. It is a huge prison. The Gaza Strip now has one of the highest population densities in the world: Almost 1.5 million people live within its 146 square miles. What the Nazi did to the Jews in Warsaw is basically the same as what the Jew is doing to the Palestine.
Hardly, and making over-the-top comparisons between the systematic murder of Jews by Germany to the retaliatory attacks against terrorist groups and their supporters will not win your debate in any rational forum. Israel is a sovereign nation that has the right to defend its borders, which frankly are under CONSTANT attack from factions within Gaza. As such, it seems perfectly reasonable for them to control access to those borders (though I admit that Israel stepped over the line when they recently began interfering with humanitarian aid to the region, and have publicly condemned them for that), and to pursue those who attack it with yes even military force.
My perspective is based on what I would want MY country to do if something similar happened to the United States. If Mexico fired even ONE rocket or mortar across our mutual border, there would be HECK TO PAY!!! And if they initiated the kind of repetitive and sustained attacks which Hamas has launched across the border into Israel, our response would most definitely be a lot more brutal and a lot less forgiving that Israel's has been.
The Palestinian people were given a chance to step up and take their rightful place on the world stage, when Israel conceded the territory to form the modern nation of Palestine. That nation turned around and said, "thank, now have another rocket."
So you're right, "What goes around come around."
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"Hamas was formed explicitly for the purpose of destroying Israel." Hamas was not form. Hamas is a democratic elected leader. It was the Israel that wanted to destroy Hamas. Hamas was not the one that started all this I kill you and you kill me nonsense.
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0130-29.htm
The cease-fire you claim that was violated by Palestine was violated by Israel first. Part of the agreement for the cease-fire was that Israel cease it blockade of Gaza. Israel fails to cease the blockade to this day.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/01/14-13
Israel has the "right to defend" itself and they’re "under no obligation" to give their territory away. You make it sound like the Palestinian don't have the same rights to defend themselves against settlement (which is illegal). Israel is the one "engaging in acts of terrorism" against Palestine. Israel is using chemical warfare and bombing against civilian population. Simply put, terrorism is attack against non-military unit. Israel is doing a lot more terrorism than Hamas. Many of the attack from Hamas are provoke, contrary to mainstream media representation. But it your choice to believe it or not. If you read the article below, please do pay attention to the death toll and prisoner on both sides. You will notice that there is a clear disparity.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0321-01.htm
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5575070.e...
I appreciate that you have evidence to back your claim, but please don’t cite from sources where anyone can edit the information like Wikipedia.
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin
...and Hamas is one of the most prolific producers of suicide bombings in the world.
Hamas was not form. Hamas is a democratic elected leader. It was the Israel that wanted to destroy Hamas. Hamas was not the one that started all this I kill you and you kill me nonsense.
Bullshit.
Hamas was formed by Palestinian members of the Muslim Brotherhood in 1987. Hamas issued a charter in 1988 which specifically states...
Hamas is a terrorist organization that has unfortunately managed to co-opt the government of the nation of Palestine to further its goals of violence and terrorism. There is no rational defense for this group.
The cease-fire you claim that was violated by Palestine was violated by Israel first.
Bullshit.
As I pointed out above, Palestine and Israel were agreed to the cease-fire on June 19, 2008. Israel opened the Sufa and Karni crossings as agreed. Between June 19th, and June 26th, five rocket and mortar attacks were fired across the border into Israel. Israel responded on June 26th by limiting passage through the borders to "humanitarian aid." Between June 27th and June 29th at least three more separate mortar attacks occured, including a series of mortars that were fired at the Karni crossing itself. Israel re-initiated the blockade on June 29th.
You make it sound like the Palestinian don't have the same rights to defend themselves against settlement (which is illegal).
The way that a LAWFUL society responds to criminal actions within their borders is to arrest the criminals. Only terrorists respond to such an affront by strapping a bomb to their chests and blowing up civilians in another country (who, conveniently, they have sworn a jihad to obliterate).
Israel is the one "engaging in acts of terrorism" against Palestine. Israel is using chemical warfare and bombing against civilian population. Simply put, terrorism is attack against non-military unit. Israel is doing a lot more terrorism than Hamas.
Bullshit.
When you stage a miliatry operation from inside a civilian enclave (like a hospital, a school or a residential neighborhood), YOU are responsible for any civilian casualties that occur when your enemies respond to that aggression. That's why the Geneva Conventions specifcally prohibit doing this.
I appreciate that you have evidence to back your claim, but please don’t cite from sources where anyone can edit the information like Wikipedia.
I use the wiki in this case because I have done the legwork to track down the original news stories, and have reviewed the evidence quite extensively. The wiki is just a convenient list.
Much of the information I use comes from Jane's Information Group.
And here is a series of links to some of the original articles and news stories that were used in compiling the information I provided above:
Rockets Hit Israel, Breaking Hamas Truce
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/25/world/middleeast/25mideast.html?fta=y
Rockets 'violated Gaza ceasefire'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7470530.stm
...and...
http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3557594,00.html
http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/English/eng_n/pdf/hama...
http://en.rian.ru/world/20080624/111867958.html
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1214132667653&pagename=JPost%...
http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/English/eng_n/pdf/hama...
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-06/27/content_8446361.htm
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3561133,00.html
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Well, maybe there is a strong need to review what Hamas labels itself to be!
Democracy is a form of government in which the power is held by citizens.
To be honest, I wonder if there is any Arabic country around who could actually label itself to be close to it.
Apparently during and soon after the recent events, some (34) Palestinians who somewhat carefully opposed to the used tactics of Hamas got themselves killed in the process of doing so whenever they got exposed, while other Palestinians who got themselves trapped by the overall suspicious atmosphere found themselves to be severely mutilated.
This happens randomly without any trial or solid prove to begin with!
Meaning, there is no place for Fatah to be found inside the concept of Hamas!
Another 50 Palestinians got themselves to be shot in the legs during and after the recent conflict, while another 73 found themselves to be having their legs, arms while sometimes both their legs and arms to be broken by militants!
Please note, these are lose acts which involves no support nor interaction of Israeli.
The reply of Hamas consist in attributing these events as follows, a prison got damaged by an Israeli strike causing Palestinian, so called collaborators of Israel to find a way of escaping. While in doing so found themselves to become intercepted by family members who suffered losses because of these who escaped detention.
Fatah itself reports to have an amount of 14 dead (killed) while 160 individuals who found themselves to been shot in their legs, arms or yet again both during the course of the Israeli offensive!
On the Jordanian West bank, Hamas members who are imprisoned by Fatah, are being tortured while some don’t live to see the day!
I believe there is something seriously wrong in the Palestinian kitchen, like I said before, to kick one’s own ass wouldn’t be too much of a bad idea in order to shift some of the realities which are at display!
To wonder and ask questions why the whole world is remaining an observer in the whole picture is simple!
Hypocrisy!
It is very much clear and apparent that a good Jew is a dead Jew, when it boils down to education. Not just any education, hate education which is the true indoctrination while very root of whatever suffering which rises out of it!
While in the face of any other observer, a so called deep and profound wish for peace is being projected like if that was the true goal which is being pursued by all who suffer from the abuses which are inflicted by Israel!
No wonder why the world doesn’t engage, because it’s clear what happens with petrodollars that flow no other direction than inside the hands of those who lost all reason to begin with!
Money which could easily be used to better the lives of all, is being pumped inside the hate factories which hide behind an obscene goal called Jihad!
Democracy is something else, it usually starts were the hypocrisy ends!
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I want to first thank you for you respectable approach to presenting your evidence.
But there is some duplicity.
"The actual Arabic phrase was, ' بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود ' which according to The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) should be translated as, "be eliminated from the pages of history" (which honestly doesn't seem much better)."
So if the translation by MEMRI "honestly doesn't seem much better" and is the only one you list a source for its translation then why not just use that and not "wiped off the face of the earth?"
He has also made these statements:
"No, I am not anti-Jew, I respect them very much."
"Let us remember that there in Palestine there are Muslims, Christians and Jews who live together,"
"We love everyone in the world - Jews, Christians, Muslims, non-Muslims, non-Jews, non-Christians... We are against occupation, aggression, killings and displacing people - otherwise we have no problem with ordinary people."
To parse it further, Is Israel a Occupying force? In the translation of the material you quoted it says an "occupying force of Al Quds (Jerusalem)", in your tranaslation it is "occupying regime" If Israel is an occupying force Palestinians have the right to resist. UN General Assembly resolution 3089 of 7 December 1973 - “Expresses once more its grave concern that the people of Palestine has been prevented by Israel from enjoying its inalienable rights and from exercising its right to self-determination.” The Israeli Zionist state is the occupier, preventing the Palestinian people from exercising its inalienable rights. The list of international resolutions and statements confirming this fact is long indeed.
UN General Assembly resolution 3070 of 14 December 1960 “reaffirms the legitimacy of the people’s struggle for liberation from colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation by all available means, including armed struggle.”
I am against oppression if it is by a Muslim, Palestinian, American, or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and they all oppress in someways, unfortunately.
The quote you use is a quote with in the Hamas charter and you should let that be known that it isn't Hamas own words. And in the paragraph before that it is speaking of the struggle against "Zionist occupation". I am a pacifist, but the idea of someone taking your land and you wanting to kill them isn't that far fetched in all cases of occupation and can be seen in our own occupation of Indian land. No one now says that we were right and the Indians wrong, but they also massacred civilians.
And Many nations consider George W. Bush a perpitrator of torture and terrorism, but does that justify Venezuela killing me? No, for one simple fact, they were both elected. Hamas election is widely held as a fair and free election.
If you watch the clip with Jimmy Carter I ended with on the previous post, Hamas has given out its hands for peace! All they wanted was food, water, medical supplies, etc. This isn't the first time. The Palestinians have resorted to Hamas b/c of Israels blatant disregard for their rights.
Israel is yet again avoiding accepting culpability of there action with the recent UN investigation. This move has been condemned widely. If Israel is justified in there latest assault, why would Hamas be the ones that are not avoiding cooperation, but Israel is? So they can discredit it. But the evidence of white phosphorus used on civilians, and the bombing of clearly identified civilian targets is unjustifiable and does nothing but strength Hamas and encourage anti-Jewish thinking.
This is an excerpt from Basma Awal al-Nadri, a 16-year-old bedouin high school student from southern Israel:
"It's raining enemy missiles," she wrote, "And I can hear the screams of Gaza echo in my ears. I have a profound wish to die for Palestine; I have a profound wish to die for Gaza."
She was shot dead, a 16 year old girl when she targeted a Israeli check point and started shooting. More then 400+ children were killed by Israel. They found a little starving girl in her crumpled house, laying next to her dead parents. What do you think these kids are going to grow up thinking? Israel and the West love them? Or are they going to become more anti-semetic and anti-Jewish and feel that there only recourse is violence?
raphael...
So if the translation by MEMRI "honestly doesn't seem much better" and is the only one you list a source for its translation then why not just use that and not "wiped off the face of the earth?"
Well for starters, I was responding to a specific question by you regarding that exact phraseology. I provided the source of the comment (which originally came from a New York Times article) AND I provided an alternate translation. If you think that's duplicitous, I can't really help you.
As for the "why" part of your comment, it is as I said...I don't think the alternate translation really paints a better picture of Mr. Ahmadinejad and his positions, thus making the decision of which translation you prefer rather moot.
He has also made these statements:
"No, I am not anti-Jew, I respect them very much."
So here we have a politician that has said two completely different things to two completely different audiences...go figure. {/sarcasm} But actions speak louder than words, and it is quite easy to guess which is Mr. Ahmadinejad's (and Iran's) TRUE position by noticing that Iran does not officially recognize the State of Israel. If Mr. Ahmadinejad's more conciliatory statements were HONEST and TRUE, then this would not be the case. Of course, we can just ask Mr. Ahmadinejad to tell us for himself what he wants to do with Israel...
To parse it further, Is Israel a Occupying force?
The territory know as Israel today was owned by the Ottoman Emprie for several hundred years, and the rights to it were ceded legally and voluntarily by treaty to the British after the Sultunate was abolished and the State of Turkey was formed in its place. So no, Israel is not an "occupying force."
The Israeli Zionist state is the occupier, preventing the Palestinian people from exercising its inalienable rights. The list of international resolutions and statements confirming this fact is long indeed.
The only reason that the Palestinians have a country now is because, frankly, the rest of the world was tired of hearing them bitch about it. Israel was under no obligation to give over that territory, and frankly the argument you are presenting lost any reasonable basis when that agreement was reached.
She was shot dead, a 16 year old girl when she targeted a Israeli check point and started shooting.
That is tragic. However, until such time as Palestine officially recognized the State of Israel and proves itself willing to respect the peace process and stops launching daily missile attacks that target civilians across a sovereign border, stories like this will not only continue, but the ultimate responsibility for them will lie in hands of the Palestinian people.
Israel has stepped over the line more than once regarding how they respond to the attacks against them, but they really are left with few options in dealing with terrorist groups like Hamas who intentionally target civilians and who hide their operations deep within civilian enclaves with the specific intention to create situations exactly like this.
The Palestinians HAVE a country now, and yet they are STILL engaging in acts of terrorism against Israel. When they took the deal, they lost any claim to the moral high ground (and it was a shaky position to argue even before that). Since stepping onto the stage of modern nations, the Palestinians have continued to act in a manner that makes sympathy and frankly even pity difficult to come by.
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You know, a large bulk of the land that Israel currently occupies was won in war against Egypt and Syria, and other bordering nations of Israel who decided many years ago that they didn't think Israel should exist at all. Israel won, and that's how its current borders were decided. It's not any different from the dozens of other nations throughout the course of history.
Israel is certainly not without blame, but they're not as evil as you make them out to be.
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There is not much of a happiness sphere to be witnessed in Gaza for various reasons which I would love to lay out in full detail, but no, I would miss my aim in doing so!
Even a blind, retarded, deaf donkey can bring up a 100 reasons why both parties involved carry another 1000 if not more reasons to simply pull the plug upon one another!
Meaning, to wipe all off the face of the earth, while all those who carry a similar name or mention it, along with it in its course!
The so called enemy or whatever tag one wishes to stick upon it, has disappeared and vanished out of view and sight!
To link the above to Gaza, I can only say, doesn’t matter which direction bullets are going or coming from any longer, they will regardless hitting flesh or solid concrete, miss their aim!
Pointless!
While it actually isn’t even a conflict which escalated into today’s shameful human display, conflict, war or whatever most are assuming it to be! The name or rather say, that pitiful excuse it has received to veil it’s true nature, is of no importance!
We ALL know it, but dare not to acknowledge, that pitiful human individuals we are allowing ourselves to be molded into, while carrying but more questions we dare not to ask, of what will arise out of chaos!?
We are all as guilty as all those who are throwing stones to one side, while we are all as guilty as those who are abusing in return, because we all allow this grotesque masquerade to expand beyond our consciousness!
Shame upon us ALL, for pointing out the so called enemy from a safe and distant place, because there is none but ourselves which we are killing with our eyes wide open to see it, in ways that go beyond reason of understanding!
Pitiful cowards are those who condemn either side, while in doing so enforce that line which is marked by bloodshed other than one’s own, a line called Gaza teased and crossed by that instrument of evil one dare’s not to face other than inside blind obedience of its own inner ignorant ego!
To ask oneself, what purpose and aim is there far beyond that veil which is pushing Global allowance while supporting chaos to rise out of it, were is that evil coming from? Where lies the root of this dreadful display?
What is it, no one seems to understand were are in fact, killing ourselves for a purpose unknown?
This is taking place right now, regardless if we are near, regardless what side we find ourselves to be!
What more pointless act is needed to unveil the hypocrisy which is manifesting itself inside thought, while having the sheer arrogance to claim knowing who is in the wrong or being the enemy!
All those pointing fingers at any side of what they see in display from a distance are as responsible as those who pull the trigger or throw stones!
There is no line to make that difference, only blood to show us all, we actually draw one in our own thoughts and believes which are based upon what we are being fed that veiled evil itself!
What veiled evil?
Evil which is created in front of ALL while used to lure as many as possible inside division, in order to make all believe them are different from yourself or those pointed out, this by whatever means they can come up with in order to create displays like the one we can all witness in Gaza!
Our thoughts and minds are being used and abused, which enables the ones who hide behind that blood stanched curtain to write down another sick score point upon the board. Those who are playing games with our lives use us all, meaning both sides to fund and proceed with this sickness which pushes us ALL to lose our consciousness while unwarily trade it for a cancer!
We are all guilty, while this guilt will never be justified other than by unveiling the true nature of evil which is plaguing us!
Who are we to judge when thinking we have found the answer?
It’s all obvious!
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“You cannot wean away an addict from the drug. It is not possible for me to walk away from Ranjha. If it is our destiny to be together then who, other than God, can change it?”
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No one ever does, while still too few understand there is even lesser greatness in turning away, while thinking to escape this feel in doing so!
There is no other side to turn too regardless of the one, one might believe!
If one is believing a person can use an axe in order to randomly take the life of a child in a street, while run away towards those who behold him as a hero for recognition of his act!
One faces a serious challenge to question but his own opinions, about why someone acting as such is considered a hero to whomever he runs from and towards after creating bloodshed!
The reason why! Because it sends out a ripple of relief, it feels good to those who witness the hero running back to the herd!
The reason why it feels good, the thought of pain inflicted is relief because it projected not what was, but which is being felt within the herd of the hero.
To mold this in an example!
Anyone who believes, a person which has spend 3 weeks of holyday’s in a wonderful resort overseas, on his return bluntly decides to go out to buy an axe in order to open up the brains of the first kid which crosses his path! Anyone believing this is could chose in questioning his believes in order to seek the sense of it!
But then again, most resulting in such actions have not even a clue of what a resort or overseas might resemble!
To play Ping Pong upon a table where there is no net, means something serious is missing out!
There is most always lack of reason which evolves out of losing it upon another!
One reason why believing, the solution is to turn away from what is seen and heard, while actually becoming part of the problem in doing so, isn’t resolving the emotion attached in thought within!
Whatever that one might be other than shameful display of hypocritical believe one allows himself to be fed with!
Its takes less than a functioning brain to realize Ping is no different than Pong, or maybe it’s the other way around, Pong Ping!
It might be quite difficult to come to reason inside a jungle of believes colliding randomly for reasons which no one seems to acknowledge other than in judgmental ways and behavior which them give proper meaning to this expanding jungle of foolishness!
For once, one should stand in front a mirror while point that finger, saying, it’s YOU who ARE foolish to believe you are pointing that finger at ME!
While truly foolish is he who looks away, from what is left of its own reflection!
When negative experiences come our way, some of these may be painful, such as pride, jealousy, anger, lack of forgiveness, lack of compassion, they all come up from inside of us when pointing that finger.
Who wants to get rid of these fingers pointing around while their aim becomes more painful an experience to memorize?
Not willing to face but distance oneself from believe, while hoping it will make sense!
Get real!
One needs, but to be uncomfortable with his believes, to question them before raising a finger no other direction, than upon its own reflection, while make it judgmental.
This will drive one to want to change them, while burry the reason, drive and need to acquire an axe or whatever inflicting tool. To manifest heartfelt painful memories upon those who yet don’t recognize how difficult it may be!
To deal with suffering, being blamed for recent and past actions of oneself or those who resemble one’s believes, brings all to that space in which Pong or Ping is regarded a hero.
Understand or understood your own believe, regardless of how difficult it may be(come)!
Inside one’s memories, change is needed to recall to question, this before manifesting new believes of what is, which one faces or turns away from!
There is no hero to be found amongst, only those who believe to be conscious enough to witness one, while all consciousness itself is lost in memory!
A shameful one, plaguing us so to see!
Poor who?
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