One of the side effects of not announcing that I'm not Christian is that people often don't think about it. I admit it, long ago, I didn't really think about it either. But, it makes for some rather uncomfortable circumstances.
A friend of mine sent me an e-mail recently, one of those silly forwards, with a video about taking god out of schools. Ten years ago, I wouldn't have thought much about this video, and that's part of why it scares me so much now. So, I'm taking a moment to respond to each of the claims in the video.
It all started when Madeline Marie O'Hare said she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said “Okay.”
Prayer is still allowed in our schools. It's just that now it can't be led by the administrators or sanctioned in any way. If you want to get a group of students together to pray on their own, fine. There is absolutely nothing stopping you. If a teacher wants to sponsor a Bible student group, that's fine, as long as it doesn't take place during class time. The schools I've been to have had a designated moment of silence, where you can do anything from praying to finishing up that last bit of homework.
And as someone who is not a Christian, I appreciate this rule. I like the fact that I'm not required to pray 'in Jesus' name' when I go to a school sponsored event. I feel awkward enough when I go places with my mom and everyone there decides it's appropriate to pray 'in Jesus' name,' I don't want to have to deal with it when I want to celebrate my little sisters' accomplishments as well.
Going a step further, I think they should go back to the original wording of the Pledge as well, but that's a discussion for another time.
Then, someone said you shouldn't have to read the Bible in school. The Bible says “thou shalt not kill” and “thou shalt not steal” and “love thy neighbor as thyself.” And we said, “Okay.”
See above. You are not prevented from reading the Bible in school. You just can't make it a required part of a class, outside of classes with an appropriate curriculum (such as a religion class). Furthermore, the Bible is not the only source of morals in this country, and if you are still thinking that after being on this site for even a couple weeks, you really need to study something besides Christianity for a while. Check out Buddhism, for instance.
An expert says we shouldn't spank our children, and we said, “okay.” [paraphrased]
I'm iffy on this one. I think in young children, spanking is one of the only ways to discipline them, if done appropriately. Timeouts can be good, but you have to stay focused in order to keep the child focused on the punishment. But, you probably shouldn't be spanking a fifteen year old. Punishments have to be refined as the child gets older and can understand more of why he or she is being punished.
And the school administrators said, “No faculty members in this school better touch a student when they misbehave.”
Well, duh. It's not a teacher's responsibility to punish children physically. They should be doing other forms of punishment, whether it be additional homework, loss of recess, or detention after school.
And someone said, “Let's allow young girls to have abortions, without even telling their parents.” And we said, “That's a grand idea.”
Well, based on the abortion debates we see today, I'd hardly say that the general public said something like 'that's a grand idea.' Even several of those who are pro-choice, such as Blackout, feel that girls need to inform their parents if they have an abortion. It is, after all, a major medical procedure with its own set of complications.
Then some wise school board member said, “Boys will be boys, so we should provide condoms so they can have all the fun they want without worrying about the consequences.”
Because abstinence-only education sooo works. Better we provide the means to having safe sex “just in case” then to force these actions into the dark where we can't help the teens that deal with these issues. This doesn't promote sex, merely offers a way to keep it safe. Explaining the common STDs is still a popular tactic in high school health classes.
And we said, “It doesn't matter what anyone, even the President, does in private, as long as the economy is good.”
I can only assume this refers to the elimination of the bedroom laws that prohibited homosexual activity. In that sense, no, it shouldn't matter what you do in private. It shouldn't matter what happens in the bedroom, so long as no one gets hurt. Abuse is still a crime, last I checked.
And someone took that a step further and published nude pictures of children on the internet, and we said everyone is entitled to free speech.
Last I checked, child pornography was still a crime. Seeing as how one of the parents I know went to jail because of it, I'm pretty sure that's an accurate statement.
I'm getting bored with all the quotes, but the video goes on to talk about how the entertainment industry has focused on movies that promote sex and violence, and how the music industry allows music that promotes (!) rape, suicide, murder, and satanic themes. Not even sure what I can really say to that.
Finally, the video concludes that the current generation of teens and young adults has no conscience, doesn't know right from wrong, and have no problem killing strangers. And all of this is presumably because we don't allow god in our schools.
As John Stossel would say, “Give me a break!”
If indeed these problems are as bad as the video claims they are, I'd suggest the problem is not with allowing god in our schools, but rather parents spending less and less time with their children, leaving them to raise themselves.




Well said.
Some of those forwards get a little high-and-mighty, now don't they?
How can someone be justified in responding to the wrongs of "one too young to understand" with physical violence if that same recourse cannot be justified when applied to one who is mature enough to comprehend the severity and indirect effects of their actions? If anyone should be beaten by their parents—it's the teenagers. The reason why parents don't beat their teens nearly as often is it doesn't work.... (and some teenagers can kick their parents asses, and will if provoked physically.)
Punishments should indeed be refined—but that takes careful, sober deliberation on the part of the parent. Leave the physical part out of it... UNLESS... you are a parent who is not opposed to having an even fist fight with your physically mature teenager who feels the same way. Then maybe you can both release some stress and no one should be complaining at the result.
Beating on your kid because you are upset at your lack of ability to convey a cause/effect lesson to her is barbaric. There are ways to punish a child that will be (a) unpleasant (b) leave no room for dispute over the reason for the punishment; and (c) not instill within the child the belief that all wrong-doing should result in physical pain. This is an extremely shallow and ineffective method of learning that does not appeal to our higher cognitive function.
I'm pretty sure you're responding to my blog, not Bridge's comment, in which case you should not click the reply at the bottom of the comment, but rather scroll down to the bottom where there is already a comment field.
As far as spanking goes, different parents have different philosophies. I do not think that you should ever hit a child out of anger. But smacking their hand when they reach into a cookie jar after you told them no provides an instant feedback. Enough negative feedback and the child will figure out that they can't do that. Pardon if this is offensive, but it's the same thing with training dogs... provide negative and positive feedback to show the animal what is and is not acceptable. For a child who cannot yet reason through why something is or is not wrong, conditioning is one of the best ways to teach them. Once they become teenagers, they can pretty easily figure out what they did wrong. And spanking them doesn't have the same effect it has on a child. Rather, taking away the car keys, the Wii, the TV, etc, has a better effect. Disagree if you want ,but that's how I see it.
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Thank you. You have said how I have felt about spanking in a way that I had yet, until now, been able to articulate.
I am treated as evil by people who claim that they are being oppressed because they are not allowed to force me to practice what they do. ~D. Dale Gulledge
I just got an e-mail asking me to show outrage over the new coins because apparently they don't have the word God on them. The e-mail said that if there is anything worthy of boycotting and outrage, it was the absence of the word God from these coins. We have literally hundreds of much bigger problems in this world than what words appear on currency. It seems that it is considered an assault on Christianity if currency doesn't say God on it along with people who are actually free thinking in greater numbers than ever before. With that said, it is important to recognize that abortion is easily the most immoral and heinous act not allowed, but financed, by state and federal governments Killing a child by dismembering, skull bashing, brain sucking, etc.before he/she even has a chance to see the world is so unethical it is beyond disturbing. If the Nazi government threw taxpayer money to baby killers to sadistically murder their innocent victims, it would make them look even more evil. Anybody who believes sadistic and violent mass murders of born persons is abhorrent and intolerable in a Democracy or Republic, is a hypocrite if they support such offenses against the unborn.
...if it were true, you should tell whomever sent you this e-mail that said this...
I just got an e-mail asking me to show outrage over the new coins because apparently they don't have the word God on them....
...that they should stop falling for internet hoaxes. The new coins do (unfortunately) still have IGWT on them. They just put the motto on the edge of the coin, instead of the face.

Here's the full article from SNOPES, explaining the story behind the e-mail chain.
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Looks like you're right. "In God We Trust" is still on the coins that they're complaining about. Unbelievable! . Now it has to be in a certain spot too? Why are these people so rigid?
Because they don't like change, because change is evil.
I am treated as evil by people who claim that they are being oppressed because they are not allowed to force me to practice what they do. ~D. Dale Gulledge
It has NOTHING to do with an unwillingness to change (at least, not directly). The issue here is religious fanaticism and the desire of "some people" to have their religious viewpoints endorsed by the government, and forced upon other citizens who would not voluntarily participate in the religious worship of certian sects.
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I think it comes down to change on some level. Those who constantly cry about things like "the war on Christmas" do so because they see places like stores changing their signs to "happy holidays" and therefore see it as an attack on their beliefs.
Another good example of the vocal "religious right's" resistance to change -- the creationism debate. You've seen it before. "I don't trust science because it's always changing, I trust the Bible more because it hasn't changed for 2000 years." I'm sure we could think of a number of other examples if we tried.
You're right, too, of course. Everything is a threat to "the Christian way of life" and therefore, anything that could even be remotely construed as an attacked, is perceived as such. Because...you know....the printing on my currency is going to shake the foundation of my beliefs... (Come to think of it, though, until the other day, I had pretty much forgotten what a $10 and $20 looked like, since I don't carry cash much. I was fascinated with the "new" design....then realized that said design was at least three years old.)
I am treated as evil by people who claim that they are being oppressed because they are not allowed to force me to practice what they do. ~D. Dale Gulledge
Well sometimes it is .Barack Obama is a good example.
I wouldn't say Obama is a bad example of change, seeing as I have yet to see any particular change...
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