Morals needed before education

Morals should be employed in education and at home because what good is it if someone kills and knows how to count? The kids are scary in middle schools now days, if you try to teach them a few morals, they get mad and try to hurt you. They throw things like pencils and books at you if you turn your back. They hurt teacher's feelings as they do mine on a daily basis. I think teaching should be earned by excellent behavior and not taken for granted. I come into to the classroom to teach and I am doing the kids a favor when I teach them anything at all. I show the children kindness, so why do they not show me the same? I put my best effort into teaching children of all grade levels. For those who have not taken the time to have quality time with your children modeling good behavior so that they can go out in the world to do the same, you exasperate me. Some of the kids are terrible and do not deserve the kindness given by me or the other teachers. Someone needs to teach them some morals desperately. Please teach your children to be nice instead of mean. Maybe you could take them to church and observe them yourself just to see if they are the cherubs you think they are.

sawaboof's picture
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Maybe you could be a positive influence on their lives by losing the attitude that they don't deserve an education because they weren't raised in the way you'd prefer.

I come into to the classroom to teach and I am doing the kids a favor when I teach them anything at all.

No. You are not "doing them a favor." You're doing your job. Your job is to provide an education, not to look down on your students. I have a hard time believing you show the children kindness and put your best effort into teaching when you make comments like education should be earned by good behavior and then put your students down and judge them and their lives on a public forum.

If you don't like teaching, quit and let someone willing to influence kids lives by caring about them enough to teach them take your place.


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Personally, school is for education. It is a child's responsibility to decide their morals themselves based on what they learn in school, observe in the outside world, and discern from their families and religious beliefs. Sawaboof is correct, the best you may be able to do is be a positive role model. In this country, an education is a right, a policy I agree with.

By the way, do you teach special ed? Your stories remind me of some my mom has told me.

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mai's picture

Education and morality should be taught at home. There is no training that children shouldn't first learn at home. But children deserve the world. Pls dont think your conduct your dealings with them as if they dont. This will make the situation worse. Children, more than anyone else, deserve a second chance, and then a third, and then a fourth, and then....

have you tried to instigate parent teacher conferences with particularly difficult children? (or children that behave difficultly, rather) when issues are brought to the attention of caring parents by an authority figure, they are usually called to action (even if our of guilt, remorse, or embarrassment)

I've seen so many good people, turn into bad teachers (not saying that is you) because they dont remember that children are children and they have to be taught by repetition, this will take more effort on all the adults part, even the teachers... dont let up on them, dont give in to them, keep at it cuz their futures are at stake

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Have you ever tried it? It might be exactly what you are looking for. The emphasis is on community building so that the students trust you and each other enough to take risks in their learning. I know a lot of people drop it in middle school because they feel like there isn't enough time in the 50 minutes they have with the kids, but in your case, it sounds like it might be a good idea to devote ten minutes three times a week to completely non-academic community building, just so you can get something done the rest of the time.

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cosmic's picture

You're appealing to the wrong people. If the kids act that way, where do you think they got if from? Their parents, of course. Sure, we all learn stuff in school, but the type of education that determines what kind of person you are comes from the home.

Parents like to blame schools for children's failures. They do that to shift the blame away from where they know it belongs- themselves.

ediblewoman's picture
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She has a better shot appealing to the students than she does appealing to the parents. Parents like to believe they know more about education than teachers do, because it is THEIR child's education, and of course, THEIR child is unique. While it may be true that every child is unique, parents don't like hearing that their unique child is misbehaving as a result of something they themselves have taught him or her.

They'll say things like, "That just doesn't sound like something she'd do," or, "Which other children are involved? Can't you just move her seat away from the ringleaders? You should be talking to THEIR parents." And that's only if you can get them into the classroom for a conference. Many will just not show up.

The sad fact of education is, if they aren't learning it at home and it is something they need to learn, the teacher has to teach it, and that includes behavior. If they are acting up in that class, it is on the teacher to figure out how to change it, because appealing to the parents will get you NOWHERE. I'm not saying I think this is the way it ought to be. It's just the reality of the classroom today.

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cosmic's picture

I agree- it is the reality. "Appealing" wasn't the right word- I guess I was making a moral judgment: these parents are the failures, not the teachers or the schools.

mvenus929's picture
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They hurt teacher's feelings as they do mine on a daily basis.

Do you want us to cry for you? I have people yell at me on a daily basis, because I do something that 'hurts' them. I have people whine and moan about how they're being treated, but when you look at it from the outside, they're not treating others too well themselves. Lead by example. Try to make connections with your students; my favorite teachers were those who went out of their way to help us.

I think teaching should be earned by excellent behavior and not taken for granted. I come into to the classroom to teach and I am doing the kids a favor when I teach them anything at all.

I do agree that an education should not be taken for granted, but most people don't understand that until they're on the other side of the education system. It's like your mom telling you of a mistake she made when she was little; you're going to nod and say 'uh huh... I can do it better', and then do the same thing she did, only to come to the same conclusion.

You're not doing them a favor, you're doing what you were hired to do, and what the government mandates you do. If you want to be super appreciated for your teaching, go teach at a private school, where students better behave or they're just flat out kicked out. You can't do that in a public school where children are mandated to attend (and attend the school they are zoned for) until they're 16.

Children are children. Some are well behaved, others are not. The ones who are not either have poor examples at home, or haven't learned to control themselves for long enough to behave. There's more to learning that just books.

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