Just let the boy open the door for you

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I hear a lot of people decrying feminism as a ball-busting, man-hating, female-superiority philosophy. I personally prefer to identify as humanist, since feminist does seem rather exclusive to me - the word makes it sound like only females can identify as feminists, when we all know that isn't true. And I can see why people might have gained that opinion about feminists, given how some of our sisters tend to act about guys in general.

Case in point - I was walking around campus with a girlfriend of mine, heading to the cafeteria for dinner. As we approached, we saw a couple also approaching the doors ahead of us. The guy reached out in front of the girl, grabbed the door, and held it open for her. The girl promptly turned and said, "Don't open doors for me! I can open doors myself!" in quite a harsh tone of voice. I can predict how my readers will react - one of two ways, based on how my friend and I reacted.

I said: How rude, he was only being polite. This is how half of my readership will react.

My friend said: Sing it, sistah! This is how the other half of my readership will react.

The point of my post is not to play "Which one's the feminist?" because as I previously stated, although I choose to identify myself as humanist rather than feminist, my ideals are roughly in line with feminism regardless of the label I choose to throw myself under, and you can hardly say my friends isn't a feminist for agreeing with the girl in this situation. The point of this post is to examine the following things:

1. Why did the boy open the door for the girl?
2. Why did the girl get offended?
3. What does this have to do with feminism?

1. Why did the boy open the door for the girl?

The girl was not carrying anything. They were both the same distance away from the door - in fact, the boy had to reach across her to grab the door handle. It was not raining, they didn't appear to be in a hurry, nobody was coming out of the door at that moment. So... why bother?

There are two possible reasons - because he honestly thinks she can't get the door for herself (which... you know, there are some Evil Misogynists out there, but not that many), or because he knows she can open the door for herself but wants to do it for her anyway.

Again, why? Why would he want to go out of his way to do something for someone else that he knows is perfectly capable of doing for themselves?

Maybe because... he's trying to be nice? If you look at the above sentence, you'll notice that it's kind of the definition of being nice for no other reason than being nice. After all, this is not just a guy-and-girl situation. Guys sometimes hold the door for other guys, girls hold it for girls, sometimes girls even hold the door for guys! I once had one of my guy friends explain that it was a respect thing - he knew I was capable of opening the door for myself (or bringing my own umbrella on a rainy day, or opening the car door), and that's exactly why he wanted to do it for me.

This, on the surface, doesn't seem to make any sense. In order for it to make sense, we have to examine the traditional role of the gentleman, and on another level the man, in society. I'm not saying that any of these views are correct, and indeed many of them are outdated, but their vestiges are what creates this dilemma. See, in less "civilized" and "politically correct" times, man was the breadwinner and woman was the caretaker. It's the way society functioned - primarily because it is a basic truth of human biology that men are physically stronger than women. Thus, in a time period that revolved mostly around hunting for your food and protecting your territory from other humans that wanted it, naturally men did the hunting and protecting and women did everything else. The logical breakdown unfortunately devolved into a cultural structure that our society is still trying to break free of, but the foundation is based in biology and makes a great deal of sense.

But, as I've pointed out, we have become more "civilized," and through this more "politically correct" (how I hate that term). Men are no longer required to hunt for their own food - that's what supermarkets are for - and modern weaponry and martial arts makes it possible for women to protect just as well as men can, even if they aren't physically as strong or stronger. There goes the traditional male role in society! Women can work as hard and as long as they can, are just as smart as they are, just as well-trained, successful, etc as they are. And since our instincts and biology don't evolve quite as fast as our society, modern men are sometimes left with a bewildering feeling of uselessness. They intellectually know that there's still a place for them in society, and that women are hardly going to throw them in the house and declare that it's improper for them to come out (although there would be some poetic justice to that), but they still feel somewhat emasculated.

Thus, holding the door open. It's one of the things they can still do that is generally perceived as polite, nice, and won't get them yelled at - mostly. It makes them feel useful in a society that's telling them a lot of the time that they've outlived their usefulness. I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad transition, but it's still a transition - until the instincts get bred out, a lot of guys are still going to feel that way.

So that's why he's holding the door, and why he wants to hold the door. Which brings us to-

2. Why did the girl get offended?

This one is much easier - she's offended for the very same reason that the guy feels obligated, but she's coming from the opposite perspective.

The unfortunate devolution of that logical breakdown I mentioned earlier, the one that our society is still trying to break free of, is what we call misogyny. Because women were physically weaker, they began to be seen as mentally weaker. And then emotionally weaker. And then generally incapable of doing anything at all that wasn't cooking, cleaning, having children and in some cases managing an estate or "appropriate" feminine trade (such as dressmaking or midwifery, and that's about it if we're talking middle ages). It's an attitude that persisted all the way into the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, and one that still persists in some parts of the world. So it makes sense that even today women are a little touchy about having things done for them, because sometimes they perceive that "for them" as a throwback to the old views of "for them, because they can't."

This, also, is a natural transition between our old society's rules and our new society's rules. In this case, however, us girls aren't fighting our biology. We've always been instinctually aware that we were as smart, emotionally strong, capable and (possibly) successful as our male counterparts. It was just societal conditioning that repressed that biology. Which was why women were so often vocally discontent with their lot. There are examples way back through the centuries, far before more "civilized" times, of women throwing society's construction out the window and following their biology. Now our society matches our biology... at the expense of making the boys' society mismatch their biology. In the long run, this is definitely the better scenario.

But we do have to recognize that the fight for gender equality still has a long way to go. The fight may had shifted fronts over the years, from suffrage and employment equality to the current fronts of sexual education, abuse awareness and pay equality, but the fight rages on. And a battle, even one of ideas and words rather than guns and tanks, gets people's backs up and awakens a good deal of anger, usually on both sides. The definition of equality and the definition of gender roles is tenuous at best and entirely confusing at worst, which is why some girls tend to take a "when in doubt, act as if you have had your rights infringed upon" attitude, because unfortunately that is the case in many situations. Just not in this one.

Which brings me to
3. What does this have to do with feminism?

It has to do with feminism becoming, in some instances, one-sided, retaliatory and conflict-oriented. Feminism is not meant to make guys feel inferior, degraded or evil. It's meant to make girls feel equal, uplifted and empowered. Notice I didn't say superior, because that is not what feminism is. This is another reason why I prefer to identify as humanist rather than feminist - the word "feminist" feels far to female-centric. We don't want girls to be the center of the world, like guys used to be the center of the world. We want to be on equal footing.

But since guys did used to be the center of the world, and because we are still involved in a "battle" that gets people's backs up, feminism frequently overcompensates. This is where it gets its reputation as a ball-busting, man-hating philosophy. This kind of overcompensation puts guys on the defensive (I am not a rapist! It's stupid to say that every guy is potentially a rapist! I would never rape someone! How dare you accuse me of thinking about doing something like that!), and when someone goes on the defensive they tend to be unwilling to listen to reason, which puts our whole argument back to square one.

Girls, he does not open the door to make you feel inadequate. He doesn't do it because he thinks you can't - at least, most of the time, but if he really is the kind of idiot who thinks you incapable of opening a door, I guarantee you will soon find out and stop hanging out with him. Unless he's a random stranger, in which case there's no harm, no foul - but I digress. He does it because it makes him feel needed and useful. he does it to be nice. You don't have to yell at him for being nice - save your energy in case he really does do something misogynist, like imply you don't want to go hunting because you have a vagina or something. Note: This does not apply if you really don't like to hunt. There is nothing more annoying than having someone pull this conversation on you:

Boy: I'm going hunting with the guys.
Girl: What, am I not invited?
Boy: ...Well, I figured you wouldn't want to go.
Girl: Why do you say that? Because I'm a girl?
Boy: What? No! I just thought - because you hate going camping - sorry. Do you want to go?
Girl: No, I hate hunting!

Gah! If you hate it, why do you feel the need to call him on not inviting you? But then, I digress again. There are some things we should be fighting over (like there still being a stigma about girls playing with "boy's toys" or vice versa) and some things we should just accept as the modern remains of chivalry. With so many guys out there who truly are assholes, why do you feel the need to jump on the few who are doing something nice for you?

In conclusion: Just let the boy open the door for you.

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I really enjoyed reading this. You wrote it well, and I completely agree with you. There's nothing wring with people being nice. Goodness, I hold doors open for people all the time. And then sometimes, people hold them open for me. It's just people deciding to be nice instead of being jerks. Tis something to be appreciated.

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High five from another redneck hippie - or Texan liberal, as I say up north around the overly-PC crowd.

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Although I don't like it when people hold doors for me (unless my hands are full) I usually let them do it. Mainly because if some one is coming in behind me, I'll hold the door for them. Its just a politeness thing. The guy may have been raised that part of respecting girls is holding the door for them. As for the girl, she may have just felt akward about it and not known how to react.

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Oh, I'm not saying that the girl wasn't feeling awkward - she probably was. I was just examining the attitude.

Out of curiosity, why don't you like it when people hold doors open for you?

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Just because I never know how to react. I feel weird letting people hold doors for me, and when I refuse, I seem weird.

And yes, being rude wasn't the best reaction.

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When someone holds the door open for me, I really don't care. I hold the door for other people, so I don't see it as a big thing.

It's really awkward, though, when a guy expects me to wait in my seat in the car until he can run around and open the door for me, though. Especially when I'm the one driving. Opening the door when we're getting in doesn't even feel that awkward.

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for a very short time that insisted on not only opening my door, but putting my seatbelt on for me. *That* was really weird and made me feel like what I imagine a disabled person must feel much of the time.

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Yes indeed, that would annoy the crap out of me. There is a fine line between being chivalrous and polite and being needlessly overdramatic.

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I hate when I hold the door open for a man and he refuses to go through it before me. I've just done something nice for you, dude. Now be gracious, take advantage of it, and say thank you. When they refuse to go through, I am forced to awkwardly squeeze myself between them and the door, and then I don't know if I should keep holding the door for them from the inside, which is awkward and not easy, or if I should let it close behind me and not look back.

Whatevs. Some people don't get it.

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Hubby used to try to do that for me. I hated it. I have no qualms about letting him open it when he doesn't have to get out first to do it. But the waiting for him to get out, circle the car, etc, etc? I have not the patience to sit there.

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you can open the door, He already did and so did HE and he, and he and the one next to he, but I don't care, I can open one for you when you need me to :-)

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Turnabout's fair, after all. I believe in spreading politeness and good works through the world whenever I can. Helps my karma :)

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Awesome post! I totally agree and love the points you made! Some of my guy friends are really into the chivalry thing and I love it. :) I wish more guys would do it. :)

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It's kind of sad that politeness has pretty much fallen by the wayside over the years... but that's another discussion for another time.

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Very nice written and you came to a well reasoned and logical conclusion too.

Personally, I make a distinction between feminism, the feminist movement and particularly self-described feminist leaders.

I think you did a nice job of describing feminism and proposing a reasonable model for human decency and harmony between the sexes on equal terms.

I was raised in a family of strong women. My grandmother was the first in my family to get her pilot's license in 1949. She was followed by several men from my family, my mother, myself and my little sister. My grandmother was also an enthusiastic pheasant hunter and a crack shot. My mother was the first woman tenured into the Vanderbilt Medical School. My daughter would rather break and train horses then just about anything else but she likes pig hunting. She dates a soldier and I was green with envy when I learned she was on the range the other day shooting a .50 calibur machine gun and various other fully automatic weapons. All the women in my family fit the mold of feminist but none of them describe themselves as such.

I lost all respect for feminist leaders and the feminist movement back when they decided the alleged serial rapist, confirmed adulteror and general piece of human excrement Bill Clinton was allowed "one free grope". It then became clear to me that the feminist movement was really just a liberal movement and had more to do with advancing the cause of liberalism then advancing the cause of equality for women. Most of the self-described feminist leaders just seem like a bunch of frustrated and angry leftest harpies who have pretty much won the battle for equality and have now found themselves irrelevant.

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I actually agree with this post, but as an aside, I had the good fortune to get a know a woman who acted as my grandmother for a time. She lived in Quincy, CA up in Feather River Canyon. We used to drive there from the Bay Area about 3 times a year.

She had mini orchards of plums, apples, peaches and pears. The perimeter of the 5 acre property was fenced and overgrown with blackberries. She had goats, sheep, chickens, turkeys and peacocks. She had a canning cellar where she made her own jams from her home grown fruit.

Her husband hunted and she would skin and butcher the animals. I loved it when he would bring back pheasant! That is one of the world's less known delicacies. One day she sliced and cooked the heart of a deer. It looked like a meat pretzel. It was wonderful.

She also bred irises and won multiple garden shows for her signature breeds. She was an opera singer and a pianist. She was a reverend and a novelist.

When her husband got sick, she dug a 500 square foot pond with her own two hands and built him a gazebo. She filled the pond with trout and bass, and water lilies. That way he could sit in the gazebo and fish any time he wanted.

She was a living renaissance woman. I loved visiting her. In the summer she would give me a tarp and a sleeping bag and I would sleep outside. She is one of those people in my life that made a huge impact in my life just by being herself.

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Oh how I love progressive personal stories and I hope that one day I will have one and be an amazing example of how to break free from the oppressions of the past.

I was raised to believe the value of a woman was in her home making child rearing abilities. While I fill these roles just fine I do find there is plenty of time for other things which I do but I so dearly want hunting and some other rugged ribbon under my belt...Wife, mother, sister, daughter, volunteer, Air Force marksmen, Diesel/everything mechanic, Nurse, Criminal Justice Forensic something just won’t be enough.

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"Wife, mother, sister, daughter, volunteer, Air Force marksmen, Diesel/everything mechanic, Nurse, Criminal Justice Forensic something just won’t be enough."

It's got to be enough at some point, but having a fire under your ass isn't a bad thing, as long as you don't sit for too long, lol

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I so have the right RN spirit...it will be enough when I die but until then their is just one more task to accomplish.

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That kind of "can-do-anything" attitude is exactly what I want for any daughters I may have in the future. Thanks for sharing the wonderful stories of your family on my page.

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I really enjoyed reading this piece. It was very well written and had some really great insight. I think it makes a good segue into an essay I am working on. At my campus there is a very large percentage of "disabled" students.(Which I hate that term and feel your loathe for the politically correct statement!) Either way I watch as people shut doors in their faces as they are attempting to come in with their wheelchairs and I hate to hear the common misnomer that these people do not want our help and are offended if we offer. There is a difference between rendering someone useless and using mere civility as a common courtesy. I'm really glad you wrote this!

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I have heard things like "differently abled," but to be honest I find that even more insulting. I don't like terms that seem to "sugar coat" something that is not pleasant in the first place. I am more interested in dealing with reality than I am in constructing false pleasantries just to make myself and others feel better.

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I hate when people call Alo "differently abled." It just always comes across as if they're awkward and don't know how to act or what to say so they settle on something that makes it look like they don't really notice his disability. I'd rather they say disabled than to pretend they don't notice or aren't curious. Or... even worse... just stare and whisper instead of asking whatever it is they're wondering about. I just want to kick those people.

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I have a friend at college who has hip joint problems and muscle weakness, so she uses a power scooter to get around campus. The people around the campus are usually really great - they'll hold doors open for her scooter to drive through when they see her coming - but the campus itself, despite claiming to be accessible, frequently has power doors that don't work or elevators that aren't in service or not enough reserved parking :|

She also really hates the term "disabled." I think she's said repeatedly that she would much rather hear "handicapped."

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disabled implies "not able," and clearly handicapped people have all kinds of abilities.

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I *ALWAYS* hold the door open for people, regardless of its a man or a woman. However, I will quicken my pace or go MORE out of my way to hold a door open for a woman. I also pay and don't go "dutch". I am sorry, I am not a shovenist pig... I just have a moral standard I uphold to myself.

Is it because women are inferrior and i don't feel that they are not able to open the door, actually on the contrary, I want to subject myself and let her know that I am at her will. I mean not on this big thing... and I don't know if "at her will" is the best wording, I am not a masicist.. but I hope you understand what I am trying to say.

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I hold the door open for anybody except for male professors.

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I dont think the girl should have been rude like she was but you know most girls are like that and I also think she should tell the guy sorry but I also dont think he should ever do it again for her if she is going to act that way towards him in such a manner.

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Most girls I know aren't like that...

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The point isn't whether or not it's right for her to react that way, the point is why.

And out of curiosity, what prompts you to say that "most girls" are like that?

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