Secularism: Science vs. Religion?

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Secularism comes from the Latin world saeculum, which means “world.” It implies a focus on this world, without reference to values or entities beyond this world. It seeks to create political institutions that are independent of any established religion.

Secularism is not intended to obliterate religion. In it’s political form it was actually developed for the purpose of protecting religion, and to reduce religious conflict, as well as to enable all religions to flourish.

For Christianity this challenge is primarily apparent in politics and in relationship to science. Fundamental Christians continue to fight for the Intelligent Design Theory to be taught in public schools. Abortion and gay marriage are currently the two hot political topics that reflect this challenge. There are many others, such as stem cell research and euthanasia, but these have not yet been widely established enough or as commonly accepted practice to warrant the same attention as abortion and gay marriage.

The Christian argument against gay marriage has no merit except when referring to it’s own scriptures. There is no other evidence that suggests that gay people should not have all of the same legal rights as heterosexual people. As a person who approves of secularism, this bothers me quite a bit.

Abortion on the other hand, does have evidence outside of scriptures as being morally and ethically wrong. There is much scientific evidence that supports that a fetus is a human life form, and therefore abortion is murder. This can be argued without relying on religion. Personally, I am pro-choice, but I still think that abortion is murder. I just see it as the lesser of two evils when it comes to situations of abuse and domestic violence. I also do not support abortion after 3 months gestation.

In regards to the challenge between science and Christianity, the problem is two sided. Christians want to refute scientists who say there is no evidence of God. They shouldn't. They should accept the difference between fact and faith, between physical matter and the mystery of what makes matter alive. Someone who relies solely on logic and reason does not have the capacity to accept anything spiritual.

I do not believe that science in and of itself actually threatens religion. I also do not believe that the theory of evolution, if accepted by one as truth is any evidence whatsoever that God does not exist, or that there is no intelligent design.

I had my own personal epiphany when reading the first chapter of Genesis once, when reading "And God said, "Let there be light, and there was light," Gen 1:3, and the following description of the expanses, "And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water..." Gen 1:6, my brain lit up with excitement, "This is the story of the Big Bang!" If God made the universe, than science is only our observations of God's creation.

Scientists argue there is no evidence of God, and so far they are right, but science is a long way away from explaining all of the mysteries in the universe.

Christians do however weaken their position when they blatantly refuse to accept scientific evidence when it is right under their nose. Refusal to examine such evidence at all in favor of claiming blind faith is just plain ignorance, and indicates a very weak foundation in the proclaimed faith. Isn't God bigger than all of us? What do we have to fear by examination?

Perhaps as science and societies progress, as humans learn to be less superstitious and more accepting of new discoveries, we will be able to put religion in its proper place, which is in the heart. I am not saying people shouldn't practice or gather or be involved in the community, but I do think that religion should not be the basis for policy and lawmaking.

Secularism poses a much bigger challenge to Islam. Islam is in and of itself a theocratic religion. It was Muhammed’s goal to create a theocracy wherein there was no line between religion and politics or law. To create a secular government, which Turkey has come closest to, would in and of itself seem to be directly disobeying God and the Qur’an.

The modern world has embraced secularism as an inherently appropriate ideology, and strives to have politics and law reflect this ideal. The American ideal of separation of church and state that was embedded into our constitution is almost held as sacred to Americans. With the exception of a few radical fundamentalists, it is accepted and agreed upon that this separation is vital to democracy.

Part of the struggle of the Islamic world in the middle east today has to do with the idea of a caliph as the ideal leader. A caliph is a representative of God on earth and governs the Islamic nations. In part because of the separation and spread of Muslim nations, there has been great conflict over who a caliph should be, and what a caliph should do.

In Muhammed’s plan, there would be one caliph for the entire nation of Islam. The closest comparison in the western world is the Pope who dictates religious moral code to the entire Roman Catholic church. This became impractical as Islam spread so far from its origin, that several caliphs were appointed to govern different regions or countries.

The biggest challenge today is to appoint leaders of Islamic nations that operate with integrity and who are qualified to interact with the rest of the world regarding international affairs, yet adhere to and enforce the moral law that is essential to Islam. There is also a very real need to somehow unify the Muslim nations in order to interrupt the conflicts between Muslim nations. Who in the world can take this on?

It seems to me that the Jewish tradition has held up most intact in spite of secularism. In fact, many Jews today are secular and religious at the same time. It is the core belief that right acts are more important than right beliefs that I think is responsible for this stability. Judaism has been threatened by outside influences more than it has by intrinsic influences. The Jewish ideal of social justice is clearly a factor in the ability of Jews to thrive in a secular world. Political conflict in the middle east is strong though, especially between Israel and Palestine. These conflicts are more about birth-rights and claims to land each perceives as promised by God.

Perhaps too the terrible tragedy of the Holocaust is a factor in Jewish secularism. Once rescued from the concentration camps, many became refugees and took shelter wherever they could. The need to heal and to survive surpassed the need to squabble about differences in interpretations of scripture. Many Jews were united by this terrible suffering, where they might have conflicted before.

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I've noticed that a lot of your posts regarding religion focus on Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. Are these the ones you have studied the most, are the most interested in, or do you focus on them because they are regarded as sharing on God? Or because they are the most prominent in United States society? I'm just curious if you consider including discussion on other major world religion such as Buddaism or Hinduism.

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where I introduce my motives. I have always been interested in religion. Until I was 14 I only knew Christianity. At 14 I became very disillusioned with Christianity. I started looking into other things. The first religion I studied was Satanism. I know that might shock and scare some of my more conservative friends, but I wanted to know what the other side thought. I was curious, and angry, I'll admit.

Please don't misunderstand, i was never a Satanist nor did I practice any of the rituals I read about. To be honest, it didn't sit well with me. Satanism is more about the self. It holds the belief that every human is a deity, and that every human can and should do whatever they want. There is no real "evil" or "sin." It teaches that humans don't need God or Jesus because humans themselves have their own free will.

Satanism is the ultimate religion of "free will." I am not that selfish or self centered. I also did not like the idea of black magic. I find it interesting, but the idea of manipulating the will of others to serve me does not lead me to a promising end of satisfaction.

The next thing I studied was Wicca, which I really did love, and did fancy myself as a Wiccan, but in truth I have never been a practicing anything since I left my church.

Around 16 I became obsessed with French culture and started studying existentialism. Jean Paul Sartre is still on of my favorite writers, along with Soren Keirkegaard. Then I studied philosophy for a few years. Descartes, Plato, St. Augustine, Neitzsche were my dominating influences.

No matter how much I read, or who I read, I would find little pieces of things that I absorbed into my own understanding. I was looking for the "Truth," for the one belief system that was complete, accurate, and answered my needs. During this time I also started studying Freud and Jung.

Then I discovered Dostoevsky! For me this was pivotal. I read Crime and Punishment, and I became addicted. Here I found a kind of humanism and spirituality I hadn't found anywhere else. Most of his work is fiction, other than short stories he wrote about being in exile in Siberia after being randomly pardoned just as a rifle was pointed at his blindfolded face in preparation for immediate execution.

Around 19 or 20 I took an Eastern religions class, and fell in love with Buddhism and Taoism. I also studied Hinduism and Confucianism. Before I took that class I had already collected every major sacred text of every major religion and had read most of the ones from those religions. Reading the text alone was interesting, inspiring and confusing at times. By taking a class I was able to put the ideology into a historical context which greatly enriched my learning and understanding.

I started to form the opinion that in fact all of the major religions were very similar, with similar stories and events. Hindu mythology describes something similar to the Garden of Eden, and a great flood. The more similarities I found, and the more I learned about the geographical and historical context, the more it occurred it to me that the major differences and conflicts between religion have only to do the names of the humans involved and the language and context of the society it evolved from.

If the prophets were removed from the stories, and they were simply seen as a history of human development as it established societies with laws, morals and ethics, most of the religions are very similar.

So, to answer your question, why are most of my blogs so far about the 3 major western religions? Well for one, I am taking a class on it and have all kinds of neat resources I didn't have when studying independently. However, the main reason is that I desperately want to understand Islam. That is one I never studied on my own. I had a very hard time trying to read the Qur'an.

I am very interested in trying to understand the conflicts in the middle east. I am considering a future in politics, and figured, why not start understanding the context of religion in today's world? If we as a nation and as a planet do not work to create peace, the consequences may have far reaching effects, I am afraid.

I am fascinated by war spurred on or even began by religion. This is so contrary to what the religions teach. I am trying to figure all of this out, and to find ways to problem solve. The beginning of solving any problem is by understanding the nature of the problem in the first place.

I am also becoming increasingly interested in Judaism. i have learned a lot about Judaism from this class that I had never considered before, even though being raised a Christian who has read the Bible several times. I thought i already had a complete understanding of their history and beliefs, but there is much more that has developed since the Old Testament was canonized.

Sorry for the long and personal answer, but it is a pretty complete one.

"Consistency is not a human trait" - Maude, from Harold and Maude

What exactly happened to you at 14?

Your exploration is admirable. I am just starting mine.

I have steered away often from religion becuase of my father. He was a devoted Christian minister turned aethist. but i wonder my absence in beliefs is just because of my environment; thus i need to explore all of the realities out there.

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However, the main reason is that I desperately want to understand Islam.

Please, don't ever, ever lose that desire. The reason there are such stereotypes and fear about Islam to outsiders is because people see the extremists and attribute it to the whole religion and therefore have no desire to understand the religion itself.



I am treated as evil by people who claim that they are being oppressed because they are not allowed to force me to practice what they do. ~D. Dale Gulledge

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It's safer to be a Satanist than a Muslim these days!

"Consistency is not a human trait" - Maude, from Harold and Maude

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I loved it, I was made to read it in senior year of High School because I was in ap english but I am so so so glad I read that book...I wrote a paper on that book that I still often reread because I want to reminded of why and how that book is so great :)

Islam is so much more than I can even understand, I am so happy that you are putting in the effort and trying to understand it despite everything that makes it so difficult to.

Also, I wrote a paper in my Islamic history class at Penn that discussed the expansion of Islam, after the Prophet (SAW) passed away...

I wanted to put it on Prou, but...it is 6 pages long and I would much rather not put it out there BUT if you want it, I will email it to you or something...you might know some of the stuff in it if you are currently studying Islam but it explains things in some detail.
"A person doesn't die when he should but when he can."
- Gabriel Garcia Marquez, One Hundred Years of Solitude
"close your eyes, clear your heart.."
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"if you want it, I will email it to you or something.."

Yes please!

"Consistency is not a human trait" - Maude, from Harold and Maude

Well, many Jews did argue after WWII about the zionist movement. many jews disagreed with it.

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That will never change. The main thing that I have found, at least to my own understanding is that in general Jews tolerate each other and their differences. There are many different kinds of Jews, just as there are many different kinds of Christians and Muslims. Studying factions and denominations takes on a much larger task, but would hold a lot of explanation for many historical events.

"Consistency is not a human trait" - Maude, from Harold and Maude

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