I am fighting back the anger on this one. I came across an article in CNSNews that really pissed me off. Basically a girl posing as a 13 year old went into a Planned Parenthood clinic and told a worker that she was pregnant and that the farther was a 31 year old. The worker stated I do not want to know your age or who the father is and then made lies for her to tell people. This is appalling to me and I hope to anyone else out there whether you are pro choice, pro life, or pro abortion. A young child came into this woman office and told her that she had sex with a 31 year old this is RAPE and this woman had the nerve to tell this girl were she could get and abortion and then to go back home where the man that had RAPED her could do it again.
Now that is not the worst part of this. Planned Parenthood is handling this internally no outside assistance at all. Cockrum, one of the big wigs of Planned Parenthood and in charge of the clinic where this happened, said. “We are immediately reinforcing all of our policies and procedures with the staff members of our 35 health centers” let me point out one thing here and that is reinforce. It should not be reinforced, strengthened, or supported it should enforced punishments if the staff fails to comply with these standers. Maybe this is just me I do not like the fact that this is being handled internally or that no one else is trying to get anything else done about it legally not even Congress that gives Planned Parenthood 300 million dollars every year. That is our money that could be aiding child molesters and illegal medical practices I hope we are all happy that congress supports this. By inaction they are allowing this to continue and showing their support for these actions.
I just have to wonder how many child molesters and raped children are walking around out there because this person (who may not be alone, but we may never know) was willing to cover up the criminal actions of some demented person. This worker under the guise of helping some poor defenseless child is letting some sick perverted SOB continue to rape and molest. Please tell me that no one here is okay with this. I know that in this instance nothing really happened but the thought that it could have is just sick. The actions of this worker and Planned Parenthood are what the focus of this blog is about. Do not let your personal feelings about abortion stop you from seeing the injustice here.
update:
I have the video if you wish to see it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLDGFzdPjBU
First off, legally not much can happen, because the girl WASN'T a 13 year old girl... she was like a 18 or 20 year old college student. Secondly, the video was heavily edited, if only to take out scenes, which makes it incredibly biased. You can't judge what actually happened without the whole story. Finally, the woman was suspended without pay for her actions. Obviously it's not something Planned Parenthood is okay with, so why are you making it like they are condoning it all?
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I know the girl is not 13 I stated that but the fact that the worker was willing to do what she did and was okay with it "problem solved" said the worker after making up lies for the girl. It may mean that she has done it before. We may never know. I know the video is bias I will not disputed that the matter is even in the small accept of the scene we watch if it had been real it would have been a woman covering up a crime. I am not okay with that.
Also Planned Parenthood was willing to fire the worker over this which means that they think that it was enough to prove that she may have committed a crime or broke the rules. If Planned Parenthood thought that it was an edit job they would not have let her go but they may have had reports that things like this were happening and choose to make the worker the escape goat for it. I have a lot of questions that will never be answer and I will not get a non bias report on this.
I am making it look like they are condoning this because they are acting guilty. They should have asked for a neutral investigating service to come in and see how far these actions go. They did not they choose to make internal even though it was a criminal act. Their actions show that they know more then they are saying. We will never know they think that the matter is solved and no one is reporting on it and it maybe to late the cover up is already being done.
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"Suspended without pay" is not the same thing as "fired." It means that Planned Parenthood is looking further into the allegations and coming up with their own conclusion. They may very well fire her in the end, but for now, they're just removing her from her position, likely because of all the media coverage of this particular event. If they did nothing, people would react exactly as you have; blaming them for being immoral jerks who have nothing better to do than to push girls into situations where they will be raped and molested and whatnot.
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Thank you for correcting me, but still they should have asked for an outside investigation into this matter. Handling it internally makes it look like they are hiding something. Also with all the problems they have had in the past and to show that they wish to keep everything honest they should not be handling this themselves. I know that if I had problems with pro-life organizations and to keep them from going crazy I would keep everything on the up and up so it would not look like I am doing anything wrong.
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I guess your point is to show how we, the public, ignores crimes such as rape and molestation. and allow these crimes to continue.
i do not know what i would have done if i was in a situation where someone said they were rape.
hopefully i could help them out.
I hope without braking the law. I would not have allowed her to be put back into that situation where this could happen again.
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I'm really upset about this, too. I think it's ridiculous that this woman knowingly committed a crime and is getting off scot-free. Yeah, she lost her job. Big whoop, she can find another one.
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Well, we could place a big scarlet letter I on her chest for idiot or ignorant.
That would not be a suitable punishment for this crime it was not a suitable punishment in the book. I would be happy with this whole ugly matter being fully investigated and anyone that did what she did be arrested. if you have not watch the video please do so. the worker told the girl I can not tell you this, but I can draw it and circled the abortion clinic in ILL that are less concerned about parenteral consent for abortion. She knew that she could not do but yet she did it and that is child endangerment in the least. Now I know that in this video there was no real 13 year old but the worker did not know that she thought she was aiding a 13 year old and that is what matters.
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"Having been poor is no shame, but being ashamed of it, is." Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richards Almanack, 1749
Or maybe she was letting the not 13 year old pro lifer know a place to go that should be investigated because 'this' clinic was alright...its called spin.
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To me , If this is true I would be outraged too. But to me is seems a little hooky. I am sure that the planned parent hood woman sees plenty of people facing abortions and many youngsters over her time there. To me this means that she would know the diffrence in paterns of speach by a girl in the real 13 age group. Although the 20 year old may have looked young, to me she does not look as young as thirteen and did not exhibit the nervousness or other demeanor that someone in her posed position would do. I would venture to say that the nurse probably realized it could be a pro lifer but only thought the person was checking on law knowledge and enforcment.
I also think it is possible the woman at PP did not here the age and was expressing its unimportance. when she bows her head she could be tyring to maintain her composure, stress or laughter.
I think it is well within the rights of PP to do an internal investigation to see about the truth of what is presented in the video. I also believe, especially with the publicity, that if PP finds this nurse worker to have been way out in left field then they will hand their info over to the police and/or take further action.
This is just my first initial thoughts of seeing this. Of course I always believe that people by nature are good and I trust way too much. I do not want to be lead around my the nose hairs by biased videos.
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The Nurse may have guessed that the girl was not 13 she may have thought that she was a pro lifer but you may also wish to think about this the police could have been doing a sting operation on this clinic the Nurse should have thought about that when she thought that the girl was not 13. I wish it had been the police. I wish that the work had done what is right by the law and call CPS and the police. Then when they showed up the girl would have to explain the fact that they lied and were trying to caught PP do illegal things. Then there would be no video. and I would not be stand here in outrage. Also if she know way did she play along it make no sense to me to do that.
Also I have seen kid look a lot older then they were. This is why store will not sell tobacco without looking at a ID for anyone that does not look older then 35. i have also seen a lot of kids act older then they were my wife for example from all the stories that she has told me about her youth and all the stories I have heard from her friends have shown that she was really mature and wise beyond her years. You may be right maybe none of this smart older looking kids go to PP maybe it is only the dumb young looking one that have no idea what planned parenthood does that go to this clinics.
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...is being blown WAY out of proportion. For one, the video has obviously been edited (a big "no-no" for any "investigative" journalism). Also, Lila Rose (the 20-year-old who posed as the minor in the video) has a history of making these films. She tried this same sting a few years ago, but withdrew her complaint when Planned Parenthood threatened to sue her because of her actions, which violated a number of California State Laws. She is also responsible for a rediculous video in which she claims that Planned Parenthood is a racist organization that want to "kill black babies." Honestly, this girl is just another pro-life kook who is only taken seriously by the extreme arm of the pro-life community that will glom onto ANY attack against Planned Parenthood regardless of the relative credibility of the accusation.
If this actually happened the way that Ms. Rose claims, then why hasn't the un-cut video been provided to the police? Why haven't charges been filed? Why have no arrests been made? She did this back in June. If the accusations could be substantiated, this would be a pretty open-and-shut case. The fact that this hasn't happened, combined with Lisa Rose's history of making these questionably edited tapes and never providing the unedited footage when confronted with the question of what she removed. To date, not even ONE of her videos has led to an actual criminal charge. This leads me to be skeptical of her accusations, here, as well.
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Wasn't Margaret Sanger an advocate of eugenics? It's not really ridiculous at all to think she wanted to "kill black babies."
...especially when one recalls that Sanger was actually an opponent of abortion, regardless of race. She promoted birth-control as a means of preventing the need for abortions. Sanger was certainly a controversial figure with some unpleasant views, but there is no objective evidence of which I am aware that would indicate that Planned Parenthood today is promoting a racially motivated program of eugenics. The video produced by this girl certainly didn't provide any.
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The fact that her CA videos were dropped were because the fact that they could not be used in a court of law because it is illegal to tape those conversation between nurses and patients without consent so they could not use those tapes at all. Planned Parenthood threaten her with a law suit on the consent which was there to protect the patient not the nurse in my opinion. I did not bring up the CA tapes due to the fact that I have not seen them but from what I know they had more questionable actions on them. Yes Rose feel passionate about her cause and that is not a problem.
Also the reason this time why no charges have been filed is because Rose is not 13 and not pregnant so no rape happened and no real crime was being cover up by this nurse.
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Yes Rose feel passionate about her cause and that is not a problem.
It is a problem, if her passion leads her to dishonestly edit her films in order to make her case against groups like Planned Parenthood. There is a reason that cops aren't allowed to entrap people, and the way that Rose lures and lies in her videos can hardly be called honest reporting. As I have said many times, if you have to lie in order to get people to agree with you, they probably shouldn't.
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I wanted to find some great and glorious statement to put here, but I choose to make this statement. I love it when people feel passion about what they believe in. It is also true that if you let that passion go away from what is honest then you are wrong.
I did a lot of looking to find things to use in this reply but I choice to show you this http://www.traditionalvalues.org/1/pph/index2.php these are some taped calls (unedited) to PP clinics in CA. I do not believe that all these people are wrong or evil I like to believe that most are trying to get this girl into a safe place and have the cops ready to arrest the boyfriend but I can not be sure. I know this was not part of my blog and it seems that I am moving away from my original point I am not. I can careless what people think of me so I will state what I feel. I still think that the worker in the blog did many things wrong but that is not for me to determine I am not a lawyer or a judge. I hope that PP would stop with the abortion thing all together but that is to much to ask for. I think they give out some good preventive information and aid.
"Something given has no value"~Robert Heinlein
"Having been poor is no shame, but being ashamed of it, is." Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richards Almanack, 1749
...to go through the tapes, but I'll give it a go. I do have one question, however, that might save us a LOT of wasted time, if you know the answer. With all of the tapes you linked me to, has even ONE of them ever resulted in the convention of the taped individual for violating California's mandatory rape reporting laws? If the answer is "no," then I am very skeptical of the credibility of these claims.
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All the ones I listen to have the same theme the girl calls telling the work that she is 13 and that she has a boyfriend that is in his 20s and that she think that she is pregnant. None of the workers even brought of the fact that the relationship is a crime. None of them said that any crime has be committed. The first one even said that they do not have to report it to anyone. That could be so that the worker could get the girl to a clinic and the police could be waiting but I do not know. I can not be sure that any crime was committed I only have the call nothing afterwards. Out of the one's that I listened to I only found one (the clinic in El Cajon) that said anything about the relationship. The tapes can be taken both way and I tried to be unbiased and I would like to believe that the workers had secret plans to insure that they got this boyfriend arrested but I do not really know.
"Something given has no value"~Robert Heinlein
"Having been poor is no shame, but being ashamed of it, is." Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richards Almanack, 1749
...which of course was asking if even ONE of these calls had ever resulted in the conviction of a Planned Parenthood employee for violating California's rape notification laws?
I'll go ahead and save you the trouble of answering, and tell you that the answer is probably "no." Why is that, do you think? Because there's nothing in these tapes that indicates an actual violation of California Law. This whole business was bothering me, so I tracked down the relevant State Laws...
California Penal Code Section 11166
California’s Child Abuse and Neglect Reporting Act: Reporting Rules for Health Care Providers
There are a couple of things to note. For example, these laws specifically state that pregnancy does not represent a sufficient cause to indicate child abuse, and to trigger one of these reports. The laws also specifically excuse mandatory reporters from collecting information which is not germain to their professional capacity (like age, in California, where it has been ruled that even minors have a right to provide their own consent to obtain an abortion). And, even when additional information is made available, the mandatory reporter is fully within her rights to "evaluate facts known to them in light of their training and experience to determine whether they have an objectively reasonable suspicion of child abuse." Mandatory reporters are given up to 36 hours to report the incident if a resonable suspicion it apparent, and are under no obligation to inform the child that a report will be filed. Not even the employer has to be informed when such a report is filed, and the identity of the person doing the reporting is also protected by Law. I would further propose that it would actually be irresponsible of a professional to report something like this on the basis of nothing more than a phone call or initial interview where the identity of the child has not been verified, and the law permits a great deal of leeway in these cases, due to the privacy protections that surround a patient who is seeking medical treatment. The fact that these calls are all staged and do not in fact refer to an actual case that would have violated the laws would seem to indicate that Planned Parenthood is meeting its legal responsibilities.
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I can agree with you, but I thought they changed the law in CA in this last election to all minors need parents consent. I could be wrong I am not a CA resident my wife is and I though she said something to that effect when she got her absentee ballet.
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"Having been poor is no shame, but being ashamed of it, is." Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richards Almanack, 1749
...which did not pass.
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Thank you, I did not have a chance to look to see if it had passed.
"Something given has no value"~Robert Heinlein
"Having been poor is no shame, but being ashamed of it, is." Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richards Almanack, 1749
Unfortunately I have had to report many incidences of child abuse as a nurse on an adolescent psych ward. I do see young girls with boyfriends much older, and some of them are pregnant or have a child.
The problem with reporting statutory rape is this: to make a report the reporter must have all of the specifics of anyone involved. I have to have not only the name, birthday and address of the child involved, but also the name, birthday and address of the suspected abuser.
Most teen girls with older boyfriends will not provide you with that information. It just doesn't happen. The people who should be reporting are the girls parents. If the girl and her parents don't have a problem, the statutory rapist is a free man, in most instances.
I am not sure, and maybe blackout will find out and share, but I don't think that just anyone can press charges for statutory rape. I am pretty sure that either the girl or her parents have to initiate it.
Also, even if a 13 year old girl is pregnant and her boyfriend is 30, and she says he got her pregnant, that cannot be proven except by DNA testing. It is hard to prove that people did or did not have sex. I don't think a pregnant teen can be forced into having her fetus tested for the purpose of prosecuting the father of her baby. In other words, to prosecute a statutory rapist, cooperation on the part of the victim is practically required.
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