This is one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen.
http://www.yahoo.com/s/990034
A little boy tells authorities he shot his dad with a rifle. He says he shot a second time because he didn't want him to suffer.
Too many questions come to mind. How do we know what to believe? This kid tells conflicting stories. First he says some neighbors did it, then he volunteers himself as the prime suspect. At one point he says that he shot his dad because he didn't want to get in trouble. Then he says that he got in trouble a lot for lying.
The courts are going to have fun with this one!
Apparently this boy's father taught him how to shoot a rifle.
Who in their right mind would teach an 8 year old how to use a gun? 8 year olds are developmentally still in the "Magical thinking" phase, and don't understand permanency of death.
Was this boy abused? Was he angry and fearful of his dad? Is that why he did it?
I don't know any of the answers, but I really think it should be illegal for kids to use guns. They don't have the capacity to understand the responsibility that comes with using guns.
I do know this boy is going to have one screwed up life no matter what happens to him.




why this was flagged? I've edited a little. Does it still meet "flag" criteria? It really helps one to know these things.
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"Consistency is not a human trait" - Maude, from Harold and Maude
My Dad bought my brother and I a single shot .22 cal. I used that same rifle when I taught my daugher to shoot when she was 5. Sometime before being allowed to shoot a real gun I remember being spanked for pointing a toy cap pistol at my father. That behavior was forbidden. Gun safety is a VERY serious matter in my home and it was in my father's too. Kids can be safely taught to shoot. But they need to be supervised and guns should be locked up and the ammunition locked up separately when adults are not around to supervise. Safety training preceeds shooting training. Each and everytime I have ever touched a gun from childhood to this day the first thing that happens is that I open the breech to check its status. And even after I know that is empty it is always treated as if it were loaded. Safety is a never ending drill.
While this incident is an exception, the far more common occurence is that it is kids that were NOT taught about guns who commit gun violence.
I was taught to clean the trout I caught when I was 5 or 6. I understood perfectly that they were very and permanently dead. It's hard to miss that understanding when you eat something you caught, killed and cleaned yourself. I don't remember exactly at what age I was cleaning pheasants and turkeys but it was before I was ever allowed to carry a shotgun and hunt them and that I remember vividly and fondly was just after I turned 12.
Kids and society would be a lot healthier if kids had a more intimate relationship with their food. I think it is a pretty pampered and deprived kid that does not understand death before they are 8. I grew up on a ranch and I saw lots of death before I was 8. But if nothing else, that is what goldfish are for and they suffice to teach these critical lessons.
I guess part of my misunderstanding is the culture I live in. In Southern California hunting is like an elite sport.
Thanks for your perspective. I know that this incident is obviously unique, but I am still baffled by the kid's interview. i honestly don't know what to make of it.
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Maybe the kid is a psychopath?
A certain number of people just seem to be born without any sense of right and wrong.
Only some people with no sense of right or wrong from birth, or some lack the ability to learn it?
Anyway, I was thinking the correct term for that is sociopath?
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psychopath - someone with a sociopathic personality; a person with an antisocial personality disorder (`psychopath' was once widely used but has now been superseded by `sociopath')
sociopath
mental case, neurotic, psychoneurotic - a person suffering from neurosis
I guess I dated myself by use of the outdated term.
Not that dated, it's still used.
Anywho, I think you'll both be interested in this. It explains how Eric Harris was probably a bona fide psychopath. It's really interesting.
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I don't think you can be diagnosed with anti-social personality disorder until you're 18. So... the correct term would be kid with conduct disorder.
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And no personality disorder diagnosis can be established until adulthood.
The other important thing to consider is that anti-socials usually have abuse in their profile.
What this case asks me to consider is whether or not the boy actually did it. He could have made it up because he has an overactive imagination.
If he did do it, you have to wonder whether or not he understood that pulling a trigger could kill someone. If he didn't know that, his dad is responsible. The law should at least require shooting and hunting licenses for minors, which would require a hands on one on one examination.
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Does the fact that a diagnosis cannot be made mean that the condition does not exist or does it mean that the science is not capable of making a diagnosis although the disorder may in fact exist? I don't know much about this stuff so I will defer to those of you who do. I have read that sociopaths often are very abusive towards animals at a very early age. That suggests to me that the small kid who routinely pours gasoline on cats and flames them may in fact be a sociopath at that tender age even though the disorder has not yet and cannot be accurately diagnosed.
I definately believe the father was at fault for allowing himself to be shot. When I was taught to shoot and when I taught my daughter to shoot it was a very controlled thing. I was first instructed about and assumed the "prone" shooting position. My father assumed the same position right beside me and it would have been phyiscally impossible for me to have done anything harmful because he was in compete control of me, the firearm and the ammunition. My brother was required to sit several feet behind us and listen. I was then instructed and demonstrated proper rifle safety, loading and firing techniques. I was then handed the rifle and instructed to keep it pointed down range. I was then required to repeatedly demonstrate (without ammunition) that I had understood and learned what I had been taught. I was finally given by my father ONE cartridge to load in the single shot gun and allowed to aim and fire at the target. This was repeated exactly 4 more times. The rifle was then stowed out of reach of small boys and we all three went down range to inspect and replace the target. The ritual was then repeated for my brother with myself being required to sit and listen. We were then taught to disassemble and clean and oit the firearm. And then it was locked away. It was perhaps an hour of very disciplined instruction which included about 5 minutes of actual shooting. The same drill happened each time we were allowed to shoot for several years. We loved it. Over the years there were vairous demonstrations of the awesome power, destructiveness and extreme range of firearms. When I was allowed to start pheasant hunting I carried an EMPTY shotgun in the field for TWO seasons. I was required to treat it absolutely as if it were loaded and to follow all of the safety and gun courtesy routines of the older hunters and at the end of the day we discussed some of the less safe habits of some of the other hunters and what was acceptable and what was not. Finally in the last hour of the last hunt of the second season one of my Father's closest friends (I'm fairly certain with my father's knowledge) slipped me two cartridges. I didn't actually even get to take a shot that day and didn't get my first pheasant until the third season. By then I was considered a responsible hunter and was allowed to hunt without adults.
Gun safety has little to do with laws. Almost every time something violent is done with a gun it done by someone who is violating or willing to violate both gun laws and other laws too. More laws won't stop that. And when gun accidents happen it is almost always carelessness. Laws are not going to stop that either. Parents should either be responsible or they should not have guns in their homes.
I suppose if I lived in Southern California (I went to college there for four years) I would have a different attitude about guns. It is a completely lawless and irresponsible place and the less guns there are, perhaps the less violence there would be. I would do everything I could to get myself permitted for legal concealed carry to protect myself and my family from the lawlessness.
You sure you and I didn't grow up in the same area? Your response is almost exactly what mine would have been had you not beat me to it.
And I second what you have to say. Most often, it's the kids that aren't taught that guns are potentially dangerous, and are tools, not toys and how to safely handle them (and only while supervised) are the ones that do things like this (when psychosis or abuse is involved, though, all bets are off).
I am treated as evil by people who claim that they are being oppressed because they are not allowed to force me to practice what they do. ~D. Dale Gulledge
Perhaps this child is really covering up for another story that is too disturbing for him to understand. I doubt the child is a psychopath becuase one of his lies mentioned was he felt sympahy for him and didn't want him to suffer. this shows that he understands emotion and is perhaps empathetic, not apathetic.
very interesting story.
But lying and manipulation are classic pschopath traits.
I read a book about Bundy and he was capable of being charming and making people THINK that he cared about them even though he was more or less incapable of caring about anybody.
But I think there is a good likelihood that your are right. Maybe the kid just wanted to see what would happen.
there was a story about a teen with a mental disorder who was tricked into murdering a girl. I wonder if this was a case like that, if the kid confessed not knowing what he was saying
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