Gianna's mother was 17 when she had her (attempted) abortion. She was probably just one of many young teens who couldn't bear the thought of having to deal with a child in her life. Because the baby would be an inconvenience, she had her baby aborted...or at least...she tried to. I love how, in the above video, she poses the question: "If abortion is merely about women's rights, then what were mine?" Her mother was 7 1/2 months pregnant. At this age, Gianna was able to live outside the womb. Many people fail to realize that abortion is legalized into 9 months in different places around the U.S.A.
So, just as Gianna profoundly asked, I too, ask…what are the rights of the preborn women who simply want to survive? Many of the women who have abortions feel lost and alone and feel like they have nowhere to turn. Later in life, they realize their mistakes and suffer many emotional and physical damage as a result of their abortion. There are multiple different organizations committed to helping pregnant women. There are tons of pregnancy crisis centers where women can go to find aid.
I think Gianna’s story is incredible. She wasn’t even supposed to be able to walk, and yet she’s run (and won) many marathons. She is an incredible witness to the pro-life movement and it’s really sad to see how people would want her and others like her dead simply because her mother did not want her.
Finally, she posed yet another excellent question to Alan. What WOULD you call voting four times against simple medical help to the babies born alive after abortions? He doesn’t want the babies to die? Give me a break. What else do you call it?
Gianna Jessen...an abortion survivor
By respectlife - Posted on October 21st, 2008
Tagged: abortion
• barack obama
• Born Alive Infant Protection Act
• Gianna Jessen
• Hannity and Colmes
• pro-life
• Personal freedom
I would call it a "spurious accusation"...
What WOULD you call voting four times against simple medical help to the babies born alive after abortions? He doesn’t want the babies to die? Give me a break. What else do you call it?
...since you have already been presented with an objective source that thoroughly explains Sen. Obama's record on these issues, and it really is inexcusable for you to feign ignorance regarding the justification for his votes, all things considered.
Factcheck.org had this to say...
Your accusation that Sen. Obama's votes were cast "against simple medical help to the babies born alive after abortions" is a deliberate misrepresentation of the facts. I would suggest that if you have to lie in order to convince people to agree with you, then there is something fundamentally wrong with your point-of-view.
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Well, the subject of this blog was more on Gianna Jessen than Obama, as I've already written up a note on him. However, I continue to ask the question why he would say that someone's right to privacy makes it ok for them to kill someone else.
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I continue to ask the question why he would say that someone's right to privacy makes it ok for them to kill someone else.
If you really don't know the answer to this question, then I would suggest that you actually READ Roe v. Wade (1973). The case lays out the rationale for this quite plainly.
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I could read that page til the cows come home, but that's still not going to help me understand how someone can use the excuse of privacy to kill someone else.
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...that you lack the comprehension necessary to engage in a constructive discussion of the abortion issue. If you can't even understand the explanation of the Supreme Court, then you will never be able to offer an intelligent rebuttal to their decision.
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Education and comprehension are two different things. Secondly, I understand their position perfectly well. What I can't understand is how they can honestly defend their position...how they can honestly think that someone's "right to privacy" gives them the right to kill someone else. THAT is what I don't understand.
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...and the Court is really quite plain in its rationale in Roe.
It really isn't a difficult decision to understand. But maybe this subject is just to difficult for you to grasp. Fortunately, that's why we have a Supreme Court. THEY understand the issue, even if you don't.
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But the mother's health shouldn't be an excuse in the first place. For one, Doe vs. Bolton made it to where a woman's health can simply be that she can't "emotionally handle the pregnancy" or she "can't afford it." However, if the child must die as a result of any medical treatments for the mother, than that's an effect of a treatment rather than the purpose. No purpose of any medical treatment should be to end a life.
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A woman doesn't need an "excuse" to make decisions about what is going on inside of her body. The Court's decision was based on a careful weight of the actual rights of the mother versus the potential rights of an unborn child. At least until the point of viability, and in most cases right up until the point of delivery, the conflict between these actual and potential rights remains compellingly in favor of the mother's choice. The Court's decision is well-reasoned, based firmly in the Law, and carries a real authority. So, get over it already.
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Law, maybe...what what about morals? This country was founded "under God"...meaning that we are subject to His authority. He made life sacred and we should treat it as such. Also, the law is so wishywashy. The Supreme Court has contradicted itself before, so I don't have infallible faith in it.
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The pharse "under god" appears nowhere in any of the founding documents of the United States, though I appreciate the fact that you have (finally) admitted that they REAL basis of your opposition to abortion is religious, rather than rational. What our Constitution does say is "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." So, take your religious opinions and keep them out of our laws, thank-you-very-much.
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You act as though it has to be religious OR rational. I offer that it can be both. The Declaration of Independence mentions God. Our Pledge of Allegiance mentions "under God."
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Here is what it actually says...
The mention of "nature's God" is not a reference to the christian "god." This was a common phrase used in the rhetoric of deism, and was not considered to be a christain reference by the authors, and would not in all likelihood be interpreted as such by the people of the early United States. To quote Mr. Jefferson...
Jefferson certainly equated himself among the former category when he wrote the Declaration, believing as he did that Jesus was NOT a deity and stating thus...
Similarly, The Pledge of Allegiance was changed by Congress in 1954 (which was a LONG time after the founding of our nation) to include the words "under God." The phrase does not appear in the original Pledge written by Francis Bellamy, and his family opposed this change as contrary to the original spirit of what Mr. Bellamy wrote.
Please, educate yourself.
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I'll respond in another line. These lines are getting too short.
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I love how, in the above video, she poses the question: "If abortion is merely about women's rights, then what were mine?"
Isn't it obvious? Once she was outside her mother's body, she had the same rights as any other live-born baby.
Her mother was 7 1/2 months pregnant. At this age, Gianna was able to live outside the womb. Many people fail to realize that abortion is legalized into 9 months in different places around the U.S.A.
Like where? Where are these alleged full term abortions being performed for any reason? I love how pro-lifers always say this, but never say where.
These days, late term abortion is only performed for serious medical reasons.
Many of the women who have abortions feel lost and alone and feel like they have nowhere to turn. Later in life, they realize their mistakes and suffer many emotional and physical damage as a result of their abortion.
This is actually very rare. Most women feel relief after abortion.
There are multiple different organizations committed to helping pregnant women.
Yes, like Planned Parenthood.
She is an incredible witness to the pro-life movement and it’s really sad to see how people would want her and others like her dead simply because her mother did not want her.
Nobody wants her dead, we just don't believe her mother should be arrested and imprisoned for having an abortion.
What WOULD you call voting four times against simple medical help to the babies born alive after abortions? He doesn’t want the babies to die?
There was already a law in Illinois requiring medical care for abortion survivors. When Jill Stanek made her accusations about babies "left to die in a soiled utility room" at Christ Hospital, it sparked a criminal investigation of the hospital because what she described is illegal. The investigation found no evidence or witnesses to corroborate her story. So she took her bogus story to the legislature and tried to get them to pass a law that would have threatened abortion rights in the state of Illinois. Barack Obama voted with the majority of the legislators against the bill. No babies were ever endangered.
It is a myth that babies are left to die after abortions. Look at Gianna Jessen; she was taken to the hospital, not left to die. She proves my case.
Then why is it more likely than not that she would have been killed by the abortionist had he been in the room? And why are acts such as the Born Alive Infant Protection Act even necessary?
Abortion was legalized in all nine months through Roe vs. Wade and Doe vs. Bolton. Roe vs. Wade ruled that abortion is legal through nine months if the woman's health is in danger. Doe vs. Bolton issued that woman's health includes physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman’s age. Therefore, a woman can simply say that going through with the pregnancy is emotionally trying and get a legal abortion at nine months.
Right. So what about these women:
http://www.abortionconcern.org/stories/story071.php
http://www.abortionconcern.org/stories/story062.php
http://www.abortionconcern.org/stories/story061.php
http://www.abortionconcern.org/stories/story055.php
http://www.abortionconcern.org/stories/story040.php
http://www.abortionconcern.org/stories/story012.php
http://www.abortionconcern.org/stories/story004.php
(BTW, for #4, the Catholic Church actually forbids abortion in all cases)
http://www.abortionconcern.org/stories/story006.php
http://www.abortionconcern.org/poetry/dyer-farnum.php
http://www.abortionconcern.org/poetry/a-great-loss.php
http://www.abortionconcern.org/poetry/ghost-in-the-house.php
And if you want more, you can go here:
http://www.abortionconcern.org/stories/index.php
Oh yeah...PP...they're the ones that make millions of dollars murdering babies.
I don't either...I don't think she should have had the abortion in the first place.
"Abortion rights"...you say it as if it's so passive...like it's no big deal...like it should be someone's RIGHT to kill another.
Gianna Jessen would have died if that abortionist had been on duty. That proves MY point.
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Oh yeah...PP...they're the ones that make millions of dollars murdering babies.
No. They don't. The idea that an "Abortion industry" exists is asinine. The idea that places make money off of abortions is a fantasy created by the pro-life movement to give people a negative image of Non-profit organizations like Planned Parenthood, and to make themselves feel justified in the cruelty they display towards people who don't agree with their views.
The reality of these clinics are:
If doctors were in the business of family planning for money, they wouldn't be in family planning. There is a lot more money in delivering babies than terminating pregnancies. There are other fields of medicine to go into that pay better and don't come with a social stigma attached.
The only thing protesters outside of clinics accomplish is to interfere with medical care, persecute medical professionals, and add pain and misery to the lives of girls and women who already have enough to deal with.
Planned Parenthood does not have a surplus of funds. They are not a multi million dollar industry. They don't make money off of "killing babies." Those are all lies that I'd believe without question too, if that helped me deal with the knowledge that I am acting despicable toward my fellow human beings.
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Are you aware of the fact that your tax dollars go to Planned Parenthood? Just like we're faced with having to spend thousands of our own hard earned money to help bail out executives, some of our hard earned money goes to Planned Parenthood yearly to bail out those who don't have self-control and as a result need contraceptives and/or an abortion.
Here are some statistics according to ALL:
Planned Parenthood’s income break-down for 2006-2007 fiscal year
PP clinic income: $356.9 million
PP Government grants and contracts: $336.7 million
Total profit: $114.8 million
Total income: $1.02 billion
Right...Planned Parenthood makes big bucks off of selling contraceptives, and then they make MORE bucks when the contraceptives fail and women find themselves with an unplanned pregnancy.
Planned Parenthood's sex ed...the one that warps children's minds into thinking that sex is ok, as long as you're "protected." How bout teaching abstinence? It's the only known never failing birth control. Betcha anything STDs and abortions would go WAY down...oh wait, that'd be bad, because then PP wouldn't be able to make it's money. Guess that doesn't work.
Most do both, actually. And speaking of money, I ask what in the world the pro-lifers have at stake money wise...nothing. I get nothing out of my work and neither do a lot of other pro-lifers.
"add pain and misery..." Right...because we're trying to prevent them from having life long regrets. We're SO cruel.
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I am aware my tax dollars go to Planned Parenthood. It's not like it's a huge secret. You can read all about it on The US Department of Health and Human Services website.
Planned Parenthood's sex ed...the one that warps children's minds into thinking that sex is ok, as long as you're "protected." How bout teaching abstinence? It's the only known never failing birth control. Betcha anything STDs and abortions would go WAY down...
That's funny because abstinence only programs are being taught in schools today. And STD rates have gone way up among teenagers.
You clearly don't know anything about Planned Parenthood's sexual education plan beyond what the pro-life websites have told you to believe, so I'll educate you. It is a comprehensive, age-appropriate plan that teaches abstinence is the only 100% effective method of preventing pregnancy and STDs. It is also based in reality and teaches kids how to have safe, responsible sex if and when they choose to do so. Because not everyone has a puritanical mindset that sex is a dirty, sinful action unless it's saved for marriage.
And ALL is a completely biased source of information. They don't give a break down of those numbers. They don't even say where they got those numbers from. For all I know, they're making them up. If you'd like to find a reliable source of statistics for Planned Parenthood that doesn't have any stake in the Prolife or Prochoice movements, feel free. But if the only rebuttals you can make come from the twisted information and lies promoted by biased websites, you are wasting your time trying to argue.
Speaking of money... no one ever said prolifers made money. It is completely irrelevant information. I'm not really sure what your point is there.
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...but as usual when dealing with pro-life sources, the figures are not presented in context. The particular context that is avoided in this case if the fact that only about 3% of this money has anything to do with abortion-related services. You can see the complete financial breakdown in Planned Parenthood's 2006-2007 Anual Report. This is just one more example of the pro-life movements inability (unwillingness?) to deal honestly with the issue of abortion.
As for the American Life League, this really is a whacked out organization. For years, they have been accusing Walt Disney of concealing subliminal sexual messages in their animated films, though they are most famous I think for their failed lawsuit (American Life League vs. Reno (1995)) in which they sued for the "right" to physically block the entrances of abortion clinics and to repeal legislation that specifically combats "violence, threats of force, and physical obstructions aimed at persons seeking or providing reproductive health services."
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So are you ok with parting from your hard earned money to bail out immature people's mistakes?
I'm not saying that sex is dirty and sinful. I think it's a beautiful thing God has given mankind. However, because it is so beautiful, I think it should be cherished as such. Also, here's what Planned Parenthood's site says:
"Instead, because of anti-choice government policies, many teens are taught a strict abstinence-only program, which does not teach contraception and denies them potentially lifesaving information."
So whereas they know that abstinence is the only 100% effective method of preventing pregnancy, they ridicule it, saying that it is "strict" and "denies...information." However, these people wouldn't need the information on the negative effects of sex if they weren't doing it and they wouldn't be doing it if they were practicing abstinence.
Also, I encourage you to read the following article by Dr. Melvin Anchell:
http://www.stopp.org/anchell.htm
I'm inclined to believe that everything's biased. However, if you choose not to accept ALL as a reliable source, then I give you Planned Parenthood's site:
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/AR_2007_vFinal.pdf
Check out page 16. ;)
Well, that's been an argument before. Also, you mentioned the doctors not making a ton of money. Regardless, they're still making money. On the other hand, the pro-lifers have nothing to gain.
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Well, I know that Planned Parenthood is all about prevention. I know that prevention is significantly cheaper than treatment. So, yes, when it comes to preventing things like pregnancy and HIV in low-income communities, I am ok with my money going toward that. Otherwise, my money is going toward the high cost of treating HIV or all the medical expenses involved with a pregnancy. And, especially in a low-income population, pregnancies statistically come with problems like low-birth weight and pre-term births and those come with their own problems.
So, yes, I am ok with Planned Parenthood being funded to provide free condoms and birth control to people for under $20. I'm ok with my money going toward free or low-cost screening for breast, cervical, and testicular cancers. And, though I'm fine with my tax dollars going toward these services, I'm also ok with the fact that the majority of Planned Parenthood's funding coming from private donors and not taxpayer money.
Look, you're really passionate about your cause, and I can respect that.
But did you really just give me a 23-year-old article to read? Written by a man who has never, not once, had his writings published in any peer-reviewed scientific piece of literature? Does it not tell you anything that the only individuals that will accept his opinions for publishing are people that like what he says because it agrees with what they think? For crying out loud, this is a man who has denounced the American Psychological Association because they go against information "substantiated by clinicians for the past 100 years."
Seriously. The man refuses to acknowledge that research happens outside of his own little world. Reading his material as time goes on, I am inclined to believe that he honestly believes that when all the current research disagrees with his opinion, it's because everybody else is wrong. It scares me that he is legally allowed to practice medicine.
Please. Tell me you are not planning to go off to college in the future using STOPP/ALL as an actual source of information in academic papers you write.
Do you know what bias is? Not every source is biased. ALL/STOPP is biased because it is specifically written to influence your views on Planned Parenthood, abortion, and human sexuality. Something published in, say, American Family Physician or The Journal of Obstetric, Gynecological, and Neonatal Nursing is specifically written to present you with information. That's it. People do research, or a systematic review of research, and the journals present the findings. They aren't biased; they're objective. They are not meant to influence anyone; they are meant to give facts and let people make their own decisions. Some people decide to pick and choose facts and numbers and portray them out of context on a website. This is called quote mining and is popular among biased entities like ALL and Ben Stein.
I challenge and encourage you to look up recent, peer-reviewed, unbiased sources of information. If you really care about your cause, don't demean yourself and your beliefs by looking for answers on purpose-driven websites that you know will tell you what you want to hear. Don't present information that is so old it's no longer relevant. Take your research seriously. If you're not willing to do that, don't be surprised that no one agrees with, or even listens to you.
I also highly encourage you to look at this website, which explains how to evaluate websites for quality and accuracy of information.
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o.O Abstience doesn't cost anything. And what does PP say to that? It's "strict" and pushed by "anti-choice" people.
OK, so maybe the article is old and I probably should have omitted it. But I do know some current (and pretty good) phycologists that are looking at the effects of abortion and whatnot on women. I'm looking forward to seeing their results.
No, I'm definitely inclined to believe that everything is biased. I'll outline my thoughts and write a blog about it and you can look at it, if you want.
So you didn't give me your thoughts on what I said about PP's sex ed. What do you think?
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She said,
"You clearly don't know anything about Planned Parenthood's sexual education plan beyond what the pro-life websites have told you to believe, so I'll educate you. It is a comprehensive, age-appropriate plan that teaches abstinence is the only 100% effective method of preventing pregnancy and STDs. It is also based in reality and teaches kids how to have safe, responsible sex if and when they choose to do so. Because not everyone has a puritanical mindset that sex is a dirty, sinful action unless it's saved for marriage."
Pretty thorough assessment.
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Yeah, and then I showed her that she was "misrepresenting" the program and she never responded on my thoughts about that.
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word.
I am not the Messiah... Honestly!
Only the true Messiah denies His divinity.
What? Well, what sort of chance does that give me? All right! I am the Messiah!
He is! He is the Messiah!
Now, fuck off!
How shall we fuck off, O Lord?
ROFL I laughed SO hard when I read that. Touche :P However, if you round off the numbers, the rate of girls who haven't had sex and gotten pregnant and the one who has does round off to 100%. : P Also, I don't think we'll be getting too many of God's Sons coming into the world since Christ was God's ONLY Begotten Son. : P Thanks for the laugh. : )
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...albeit a very lucky one. The following is from FactCheck.org...
Why is simple honesty such a rare commodity in the pro-life movement?
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Gianna did not say "if Illinois law had its way...". She said "if OBAMA had his way...". The question is not whether or not Illinois law has laws protecting the babies. The real matter is Obama's voting record. His voting record has indicated that he takes a negative stance in protecting the babies born alive after a surgical abortion. He even voted against an Illinois bill that was identical to the federal bill. Therefore, Gianna wasn't lying in the least.
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The deception in this statement is plain. Not only does it misrepresent Sen. Obama's position on the issue, but it presents a false delimma since A) the votes she is talking about were in the Illinois Senate, and which would not have applied to her in ANY case since she was born in California, and B) even if she HAD been born in Illinois, there were already existing laws that protected the life of infants that survived an abortion procedures.
You claims about Sen. Obama's position are wildly exaggerated (and essentially false), and that dishonesty is also dealt with in detail at FactCheck.org.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again...If you have to lie in order to get people to agree with you, then there's something fundamentally wrong with your point-of-view.
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Again, it has nothing to do with where she was born or Illinois' laws. What she is saying is that Obama has voted against laws that would protect babies. Therefore, if Obama had his way (his way being the way he voted), she would not be there. It doesn't misrepresent Obama's position at all. It simply says that he voted against laws that would protect babies.
Finally, speaking of bias...like FactCheck isn't extremely liberal. o.O
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...and this kind of intentional misrepresentation of the facts is completely dishonest.
Again, it has nothing to do with where she was born or Illinois' laws.
Actually, it does. Like so many in the pro-life movement, Jessen's comments were meant to evoke an emotional response in her listeners. She made a false statment in order to distract from any objective attempts to discuss the issue. This is a common tactic by pro-lifers, because when you take out the lie-based emotional appeals, their position really doesn't do very well.
What she is saying is that Obama has voted against laws that would protect babies.
Which is factually incorrect. The laws that Sen. Obama voted against did not provide even ONE additional protection that was not ALREADY in place in Illinois laws. What that legislation DID include was verbiage that was specifically targeted as a political strategy to undermine the rights described in Roe.
Therefore, if Obama had his way (his way being the way he voted), she would not be there.
Bald faced lie. Jessen was born in California. Nothing Obama voted on in the Illinois senate could have effected her birth in California many years earlier. And specifically, a "born alive" child who was delivered under the same exact conditions as Jessen would have been covered and protected by the already existing Illinois laws, if she had actually been born in that state at the time of the votes.
It doesn't misrepresent Obama's position at all. It simply says that he voted against laws that would protect babies.
And this kind of deception is one of the main reasons that I have such contempt for the pro-life movement. Aside from the fact that our Constitution simply does not support your position (at all), the frank dishonesty is just disgusting.
Finally, speaking of bias...like FactCheck isn't extremely liberal. o.O
Everything they say in the articles I provided to you is easily verifiable.
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That's called POLITICS, m'dear.
Look, all she's saying is that by the basic facts of Obama's record, it indicates that he is not pro-life. The Born Alive Infant Protection Act is just one example. Other examples are things he's said to the media and to Planned Parenthood. They indicate that he is OK with abortion. That indicates that if he had his way, she wouldn't be there. Also, if the abortion doctor had been in the room, he WOULD have killed her. Luckily, the nurses didn't know what to do, so they called the hospital. Nowadays, nurses know what to do...let the baby die.
Sure, by other liberal crap.
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...and your response is just an attempt to distract from the fact that you got caught (again) trying to perpetuate a LIE. You comments are pejorative and have no objective basis. It says a great deal about the "pro-life" movement, I think, that its proponents rely so consistently on this kind of dishonest tactic.
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I think I could explain myself over and over again and you still wouldn't get my point about it not being a lie. It was a look at the basics and explaining them from her viewpoint.
BTW, if you're on a witch hunt for a liar, go look at Obama. Everything about him is a lie.
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...which is that I probably won't every undrestand your point that intentionally misrepresenting the facts and context of a situation isn't a lie...because that's exactly what it is.
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But it does mention God, which is all I said.
Yes, I'm aware of that about the Pledge of Allegiance. But all that shows is that we've come a long way away from God in the past 50 years.
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You can't even keep your stories straing from comment to comment. Your original claim was "This country was founded "under God"...meaning that we are subject to His authority." You then offerred Pledge and the Declaration as evidence to support that assertion. Of course, the "god" mentioned in the Pledge wasn't really the christian one, and "under god" didn't really even enter the American vernacular until after the civil war. So your original assertion is false.
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Well, another thing you might want to look at is any of your American currency...they all say under God, too. This nation was founded under God and thus we are subject to His rule.
RESPECT LIFE
http://progressiveu.org/blog/respectlife
"It is poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."
~Mother Teresa
You do know, I hope, that "In God We Trust" was not the original motto of the United States. Rather, our Founding Fathers preferred the phrase E Pluribus Unum (that's, "One From Many" for the Latin-challenged). In fact, "In God We Trust" appears nowhere on our earliest currency...
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In fact, I really like the motto that DID appear on these earliest notes. You can see it if you look closely. It says, "MIND YOUR BUSINESS." The phrase "in god we trust" did not appear on any U.S. coin or bill prior to 1864, when it was placed on the 2-cent coin. That practice was stopped in 1883, and did not resurface until 1938.
So once again, the evidence suggests that your assertion is false.
TTFN,
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"Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination." ~ Thomas Jefferson
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You know this is a subject that many Americans feel very strongly about whether it be Pro-Life or Pro-Choice. I am one that feels very strongly about Pro-Life. If you don't want the child for whatever reason whether it be young pregnancy or rape there are other options other than death for a child that didn't ask to be conceived. Give them up for adoption to a family who wants a baby but can't have one themselves. I understand children will be born into bad situations but just because you get pregnant does not mean that this child deserves to suffer because you don't want the memory or the responsibility. There are others that do want this responsibility and opportunity but are just not medically able. Why not take this opportunity to bless them and use your "inconvenience" to change their lives. Just my opinion take it or leave it but I take this very seriously even more now than before. I am married to a wonderful man that was going to be aborted but his mother decided to give him up for adoption to bless someone else. Without him I wouldn't have the wonderful life I have now. Thank you for giving and caring people that do not want to kill innocent children.
Amen to that! That's really beautiful about your husband. Awesome testimony! BTW, if you're interested in pro-life, check out 40daysforlife. It's over on Sunday, but it's never too late to start participating if you haven't heard about it yet!
RESPECT LIFE
http://progressiveu.org/blog/respectlife
"It is poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."
~Mother Teresa
How many children have you adopted?
TTFN,
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