Now i am goin to dive into a topic that some might find "controversial or touchy" but u know wut im gonna go on and dive right on in..........okay i know too many who seems to believe that there is (hold on take a breath) ................NO GOD!! I mean can you freakin beleive that nonsense. Now i'm all for free speech and what not as the next guy, but come on people lets get practical. For you to tell me that nobody created you is kind of, no its ridicullous. it all starts as a child, that we are all taught about God, Jeus, and etc. but for some people that just doesnt ring clear with them. Why i shall never know, well actully i do know just dont want to get cyberspace all riled up. And those of you who knows what i'm talking about, i mean truly talking about hit me up. Anyways God created the heaven, the earth, and you. now I know that seems farfetched atheist' but dont you think your belief is a bit far fetched as well. Well hearing myself i sound like i'm rambling or beating around the bush, and well your right I AM! LOL Anyways i find i ridiculous that there was no way humans were created by God. God is the creator of all things, you and I big and small. It all started in the beginning when this world, this earth that we live was just darkness, just pitch black abyss with no beginning or end. Well we all came from the first people on earth Adam and Eve, we all came from them no matter how hard you want to defend it or deny it. It just boogles my mind how people cant beleive in God I just cant understnad that. I mean seriuosl yathesists enligten me. Because i have a lot of friends/ associates who are athesists and i'm a solid chrisitin. And our diffenreces dont cause a long existant clash in our association, we just have differencs. I could be like some ignorant christians and SHOVE god down their throats but i'm wise enough at this age to realize that forcing somone only causes them to be more distant and less likely to associate with you. All a child of God can do for their atheist brothers and sisters is pray for them and hope that God does a great work in them to cuase them to see the light. Theres no point in arguing with a fool, because, plain and simple they are fools, so you just have to leave it be you know. The atheists i do know their backward thinking doesnt caus me to be contagious with them or seer clear from them because that's stupid. As a child of God your suppose to draw near to them, get close with them, befreind them the best you can thats all DWJD later peace!
The nonexistance of an existnace, really seriuosly?
By floblesswo - Posted on October 14th, 2008
Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not an atheist by any means. Spirituality is important, and I think that there is something more. But I think Christianity's interpretation of spiritual feelings is a bit far-fetched. An omnipotent, omniscient being created everything. Sure, I can buy that. Makes sense. He created it in seven days.... Eh, maybe not. He sets impossible rules to live by and asks for my undying worship? No. There's where I draw the line. Christianity was created with good intentions, but along the way has been altered so much by humans and filled with so many fallacies that it disgusts me.
I'm agnostic. I don't know what death is, and I can't assume to know what death is until I'm dead. To assume so much shit about God, to assume that you can know God is ridiculous. To assume God doesn't exist is also is just that; an assumption. You don't know for sure.
I believe in what is proven to me and beyond that I have an open mind, but I make no conclusions, no assumptions. I have faith in nothing but reason.
So you beleive in God but you dont think he should receive your "undying" worship? Why might I ask, you breathing, typing, and what not, how do you beleive thats possible, is it by your own accord? Why doesnt one who gives you life day in and day out deserve a thanks once in a while? When you were growing up did you learn about Jesus and all that what caused you to differ as you grew
Blessing Wokocha
No, I don't believe in 'God' as Judeo-Christians believe in God. I don't even believe that there is an omniscient, omnipotent being. I just think that perhaps there could be life after death for humans. So, since I don't believe in God as you do, I don't think your God should have my undying worship.
I believe in the scientific version of things. I don't know where all life originated, but me, personally, I came from an egg from my mother and a sperm from my father. Fertilization, embryonic development, that's why I'm here.
To answer your question, Christianity just didn't make sense to me. No organized religion makes sense to me. How can you assume that you know everything about death when there are so many other religions that also assume that they know everything about death? Because you think yours is the only one thats right? Where's the proof? Jesus, the Bible? How do you know Jesus even existed, or, if he did exist, that he was who he said was? How can you believe the Bible when it's been altered so much by human beings throughout history? Why isn't Buddha right?
How do you know for sure that when you die, you will go to heaven as it is depicted in your Bible? Because you learned that as a child? Well, Jewish children learned the Jewish traditions and beliefs as they were growing up. Buddhist children and Taoist children and Hindu children learned their beliefs and traditions as they were growing up. They are all sure that they're right, just as you're sure your right. How can you know that yours is the only one that's right without having researched all other religions and proving them wrong?
I'm not trying to attack you, I would just really like to know. How do you know for sure?
But Jesus Christ is the ONLY WAY, TRUTH AND LIGHT. AND even if i wasnt raised in a God fearing home, i have heared testimonys, seen testimonys, and read testimonys, of God's grace to people. and there was a time i just wanted to denouce this Christian stuff and anything that has to do wih GOd like you, but i just realize all that GOd has done for me, how he has literally saved me from death countless times, even death from my own hands. When i was younger like in 4th or 5th grade i seriously was tired of the world and just wanted to kill myself countless times and nothing would work. I would try to poison myself, do like witchcraft crap or whatever just cause i wanted to die, but I WOULD NEVER DIE. And i was mad i'm like y isnt this working. And there was even a time i just had enough went to the kitchen and grabbed the sharpest, biggest nice i could find and put in my stomach, but something would not let me pierce myself, somone would not let me die, and i know who that person is. GOd knew if i comminted suicide right then and ther at only age 10-11 years old, i would immediately go straight to hell without a shadow of death. i knew God has a purpose for my life, and it was not my time to go. Ofcourse everyone thinks their way is the right way, everyone is always going to think that its called SELFISHNESS everyone is selfish no matter if they want to deny it or not, the world is selfish. That is why Millions can be spend on the war DAILY!! But no body can pick up the phone and donate one dollar, to a strving child in the world! I know for sure i am going to heaven because i excepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, asked for forgiveness for my sins and faults, stayed clear from things that did not glorify my GOd and went towards things that did. All the old stuff i use to do like: cursing, lieing, dressing and acting slutty(the way you dress says a lot about you even though your not a slut but you dress like one..........YOUR A SLUT!) and just basically my actions did my talking for me. I can go on and on about going to Church 50million times a day, praying ten times more than the muslims, and I'm in the Jesus CLub(all exagerrations) but if my actions, the way i speak, the way i dress, the people i talk to, dont exemplfy that, than flat out call me a hypocrite.
Blessing Wokocha
...that people can reject the notion of "god," but do you have any actual, objective evidence that would convince a rational person to believe otherwise? You are right about one thing, which is that "it all starts as a child." In fact, I would suggest that your incredulity originates in the way that you were (probably) indoctrinated into your belief-system at a very young age. Young children tend to believe what their parents teach them, which is why the most common determining factor in a person's religion is the religion into which they were indoctrinated during their early life. Here's a question for you...
Do you believe in Zeus?
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The Greek god ? what about him do i beleive he existed? No he's just a myth becuase the Romans did not believe in GOD, the believed in gods and goddess because they were exposed to Christ yet because, no one knew of him, not until Paul the apostle and other believers in Christ infurtrated there. Let me guess you beleive in Zeus Blessing Wokocha
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Yeah i do that and your Welcome! Blessing Wokocha
That you don't see the utter hypocrisy of what you just said is really kind of funny. You say that you believe Zeus to be a myth, but there really is just as much evidence that would support a belief in a literal, living Zeus that there is for YOUR "god." One of the reasons that I have so little respect for religious people (not just christians) is that by-and-large, they seem either unable (or more likely, unwilling) to apply consistent standards of reason when evaluating their own beliefs as opposed to anyone else's.
Oh, and thanks for giving us a perfect illustration of Dr. Dawkin's quote...
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Do you believe in Zeus because the only reason the greece's beleived in Zeus and other gos is because some poeple made it up and they had nothing else to believe in, they were not exposed they were not truly educated why do you think they made up zeus, posidon, hera and etc. How many people can you actully find that still believes in them till this day. Blessing Wokocha
When viewed objectively, it seems obvious to me that christianity is just as "made up" as every other religion on the planet. I do find it a bit odd that you suggest that the Greeks were "not truly educated," especially considering the fact that they were in large part considered the center of educated thought during the period of christianty's founding (which is why the bulk of the New Testament is written in Greek, rather than Hebrew). And, there are few people who believe in Zeus, Hera and Poseidon because these are obviously mythical figures. The sad thing is that it is just as obvious when it comes to YOUR version of "god," though your indoctrination (and obstinacy) prevents you from seeing it.
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P.S. The "appeal to popularity" (i.e. implying that because a lot of people believe in something, it must be true) is a logical fallacy, which only damages your argument.
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When i said "not educated" i mean in a spirtual way becaus eof course they were educated, that is where most of the philosophers that we here about now come form. So then what do you beleive in then, were born not beleiving in anything. Of course people will say something is made up if it has not affected them or if they do not have prove. Time and time again when a hint of doubt would pop up God would do something so amazing that straightens me out and destroys any hint of doubt in my life. What do you truly beleive in.
I "believe" in a lot of things but in the apparent context of your question, I am an atheist. I would also suggest that people are all to willing to see what they WANT to see, especially when they're having trouble coping with negative experiences in their lives.
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Are you coping with with negative experience that you face and you wound up blaming GOd and is that why you lost fait. How did you become an athiest, why did you become one and do you love it!!
...long before I became an atheist. I was raised a devout christian, but converted to wicca basically because my coven was the first sizeable group of people that really seemed to "practice what they preached." It was my general aversion to hypocrisy that first drove me away from christianity, but I remained a theist for many years after I left that religion behind. My atheism came as a slow process wherein I realized that the whole business of religion is really just a form of psychological manipulation...sometimes of others, and sometimes of oneself. I realized that every single "spell" or "prayer" I had ever performed that actually seemed to have been "answered" could be traced back to purely mudane actions and decisions. Not once, in the 35 years that I had been first a devout christian and then a devout witch could I think of a case when ANYTHING had actually happened that could not be naturally explained...and usually very simply once I abandoned the suspension of disbelief which my religious experiences encouraged.
As for the question, "do I love it?", the answer is complicated. On the one hand, no. Being an atheist is difficult, and sometimes depressing. It can be difficult to avoid falling into a nihilistic ennui when one considers just how impersonal the universe really is, and how small and insignificant we are in comparison to it. But on the other hand, I have learned to value the knowledge of an uncomfortable truth over the illusion of a comforting lie.
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