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IN My EyES tHE WAR, Vi0lENCE, NAtURAl DiSAStERS, tHE P00R EC0N0My ANd tERR0RiSM iS jUSt thE BEGiNNiNG. AS l0NG AS AMERiCA iGN0RES tHE V0iCE 0f G0d ANd hiS CAlliNG t0 hiS PE0PlE i hAVE A G00d fEEliNG tHESE tRiAlS ARE N0t G0iNG t0 ENd S0 EASily. S0 tEENAGERS tURN AWAy fR0M tHE dRUGS (WEEd), hUSBANdS && WifES tURN AWAy fR0M lUSt && ADUltERy, PR0dUCERS tURN AWAy fR0M GREEd, killERS tURN AWAy fR0M tHE dEVil hiMSElf, ANd AMERiCA tURN AWAy fR0M StUBB0RNESS. TURN AWAy fR0M All thESE SiNS ANd WR0NG d0iNGS ANd tURN t0WARd tHE 0NE ANd 0Nly tHiNG tHAt COUld SAVE US kN0W it iS CAllEd thE W0Rd 0f G0d tHE BiBlE.

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As much as I appreciate the time and effort it must have taken to type that all out, it is incredibly difficult to read.

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'Nuff said.
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In god we trust was added to the coins in the 50's, as were the words under god to the pledge. Other than that, I get a headache looking at the blog. I strongly advice that you type in a way more people can easily read.

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Thank you Phelps family for yet another brainwashed child...thank you.

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The Phelps are our friends...

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Achoo!

sorry, im allergic to bullshit.

lol, yay for the bailout fucking over the world economy!

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Huzzah!

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Am I to understand that you think God sent a hurricane to New Orleans because there was to much sin, thats ludicrous. And although America was founded on Christian values, it isn't a "Christian" nation. People are free to practice any religion they feel to be right, or can chose not to practice at all. You have some really twisted ideas, and need to look at what the real world is, not the one your parents raised you in. Also you need to reformat you post or no one will want to read it.

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Why New Orleans? Why not an earthquake to destroy the Castro district of L.A? Why not NYC? Why not wiping other small countries of the face of the earth for not following gods will? How can you assume what god's plan is, if only he himself knows what he is doing? Killers are not influenced by the devil, but their own humanity and the darkest parts of the human mind. Those who belive will be rewarded in the afterlife, but it is our right as americans to fallow a different set of morals (as long as they are within the law) as the christian. Am I to believe that you think all the people in New Orleans were all sinners? We are all sinners in gods eyes, and you would do well to remember that.

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And who will be discerning "God's" message?

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America wasn't founded on that principle. In fact, it was founded on something completely different. Freedom from England, if I recall the colonists didn't want to pay taxes. Isn't that a sin?

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There are a lot more and detailed reasons why America was founded. Many of the colonies, which would become the United States of America were founded for religious reasons.

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...of the "religious reasons" behind some of the 13 colonies that became the original 13 members of the new United States would be the Massachussetts Bay Colony. This group of Puritans certainly had a "religious reason" for wanting to leave England and settle elsewhere. But, what was that reason? In fact, these Puritans--having been subjected to significant and even violent persecution in England--came seeking religious freedom.

More than a hundred years later during the Founding Period of the United States, these Puritans (along with most other religious groups in this country) were strongly in favor of the separation of church and state. This principle was summed up very well, I think, by our first President, speaking specifically on the subject of religious tolerance and the relation of religion to our government...

The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for giving to Mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection, should demean themselves as good citizens. ~ George Washington

It is also important to note that for whatever reason these various colonies were formed, the fact remains that when it came time to ratify the Constitution, the great mojority of States would only agree to sign on the dotted line if that Constitution were amended to specifically protect the religious freedom of their citizens, and that this freedom was specifically intended to include non-christian religions and even atheists can easily be demonstrated in the writings of those Founding Fathers most closely related to the crafting of the First Amendment. For example, Thomas Jefferson said in regards to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom (which was of course the document upon which the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment was based), that...

Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Combined with the official acts of our early Congress, such as in the Treaty of Tripoli (commissioned by George Washington, passed unanimously in the Senate, and signed into Law by John Adams) which says...

[T]he Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion...

...it seems difficult (even impossible) to rationally defend the idea that the founding of this country was "religious" in the way that you imply.

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All of your facts and quotes are good, but this nation was founded on a religious foundation. The colonies were set up to allow the setters practice their own religion, but they didn't want others coming in. You talk about the Massachusetts Bay Colony set up by the puritans. They wanted to escape religious persecution in England, but they didn't want Catholics or Atheist in their colony. And separation of church and state was set up to keep government out of religion, not religion out of the government.

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Actually, the puritans weren't escaping England's rule by that point. They had gone to the Netherlands to begin with. I'll get the quote from the text, but I believe it was in Winthrop's A Reason hereof secion. My point is, however; that the actual contury wasn't founded on those princples. Did the DOI give any religious reason for their independence?

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No the DOI did not give any religious reasons for independence, but that doesn't mean they weren't there. People have a hard time separating their religious values from their political values. Thats why gay marriage, abortion, and stem cell research are such hot topic buttons.

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...had much less trouble with this than modern christians, it seems. For example, Alexis de Tocqueville reported in his Democracy in America that...

On my arrival in the United States the religious aspect of the country was the first thing that struck my attention; and the longer I stayed there, the more I perceived the great political consequences resulting from this new state of things...My desire to discover the causes of this phenomenon increased from day to day. In order to satisfy it I questioned the members of all the different sects; I sought especially the society of the clergy, who are the depositaries of the different creeds and are especially interested in their duration...To each of these men I expressed my astonishment and explained my doubts. I found that they differed upon matters of detail alone, and that they all attributed the peaceful dominion of religion in their country mainly to the separation of church and state. I do not hesitate to affirm that during my stay in America I did not meet a single individual, of the clergy or the laity, who was not of the same opinion on this point.

This led me to examine more attentively than I had hitherto done the station which the American clergy occupy in political society. I learned with surprise that they filled no public appointments; I did not see one of them in the administration, and they are not even represented in the legislative assemblies. In several states the law excludes them from political life; public opinion excludes them in all. And when I came to inquire into the prevailing spirit of the clergy, I found that most of its members seemed to retire of their own accord from the exercise of power, and that they made it the pride of their profession to abstain from politics.

Again, the facts of history would seem to refute your ideas.

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There was certainly a lot of religious intolerance in the Early Colonies, but that intolerance was not something that generally speaking our early settlers and their descendants were prone to accept in their governments. As a group, the Puritans were dedicated to the separation between the church and the State. For example, the Massachusetts Bay Colony rejected the idea of a State-run church and even prohibited ministers from holding public office. One of the most famous Puritans of the period was Roger Williams, whose A Plea For Religious Liberty stated in regards to the Puritan communities of New England that...

[A]ll civil states with their officers of justice in their respective constitutions and administrations are proved essentially civil, and therefore not judges, governors, or defenders of the spiritual or Christian state and worship...God requireth not a uniformity of religion to be enacted and enforced in any civil state; which enforced uniformity (sooner or later) is the greatest occasion of civil war, ravishing of conscience, persecution of Christ Jesus in his servants, and of the hypocrisy and destruction of millions of souls...So that magistrates, as magistrates, have no power of setting up the form of church government, electing church officers, punishing with church censures, but to see that the church does her duty herein. And on the other side, the churches as churches, have no power (though as members of the commonweal they may have power) of erecting or altering forms of civil government, electing of civil officers, inflicting civil punishments (no not on persons excommunicate) as by deposing magistrates from their civil authority, or withdrawing the hearts of the people against them, to their laws...But from this grant I infer (as before hath been touched) that the sovereign, original, and foundation of civil power lies in the people (whom they must needs mean by the civil power distinct from the government set up). And, if so, that a people may erect and establish what form of government seems to them most meet for their civil condition; it is evident that such governments as are by them erected and established have no more power, nor for no longer time, than the civil power or people consenting and agreeing shall betrust them with. This is clear not only in reason but in the experience of all commonweals, where the people are not deprived of their natural freedom by the power of tyrants.

The contents of our history simply does not support your position, my friend.

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Roger Williams was exiled form the Massachusetts Bay Colony. He then went on to for Providence, in Rhode Island, were there was separation of church and state. Yes he was for freedom of religion, and separation of church and state, but that is only one man. He was kicked out because of his ideas.

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In essence, Roger Williams was exiled from the Massachusetts Bay Colony for promoting the "dangerous idea" that the Native American Peoples, and not the King of England, were the rightful owners of the lands on which the Colony sat, and that it was wrong to engage in the forced conversion of these people. His exile was not, as you suggest, based on his religious beliefs, but rather because he challenged the "rights" of the English Crown.

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That may be part of the reason, but it was also because he did not believe that the government should force people to attend church.

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He denounced the Church of England, declared that King George was not a true christian, refused to take an oath of loyalty to the Crown. It was his consistent and outspoken criticism of English institutions that got him in trouble, not his support for church/state separation.

But you seem to be missing one very important point. England had an official state religion, and was very repressive towards any religious group that did not pay "proper" respect to it. Thus, ALL of the original colonies had at least some sort of religious acknowledgment in their chartering documents. After all, the laws of England required it. However, when those colonies broke away from England, and formed the United States of American, the jointly established that Freedom of Religion was one of the core rights necessary for our government.

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Wasn't he charged because of his allegations towards King James?

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