What is one of the most widely talked about topics in politics today? Abortion.. this subject has been avoided, debated on, and critized greatly over the years. There are so many different opinions on the idea of abortion.. is it right? should anyone be allowed to kill their unborn child? my personal beliefs are that there should be many set limitations on cases where abortion should be allowed. I dont believe that anyone should be able to have an abortion, there are other options. Abortion in my eyes is somewhat like murder.. taking the life of another individual.
I understand that there are some cases in which abortion may be the right thing.. perhaps rape was the cause of a pregnancy. should a woman have to go through child birth after a crime has been committed against them?. this is just one thought that is being spread around.
If abortion is going to be allowed in some cases, there needs to be many limitations and criteria for an abortion. such as the trimester limits that you can do it. and the reasons for getting an abortion. ..
i dont think abortion will ever fully be stopped because of the black market and behind the scenes things going on.. so the government needs to step up to help with this huge problem.. but until that happens... let hear what you all have to say.
whats your opinion on abortion and why?
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honestly...I could never do it...b/c I would feel like it's murder...but different people have different standards and views and so I'm pro choice and I don't see anything wrong with a woman using that right...if used excessively I do look down on it...but that's someone's choice...and they have to live with it
I am pro-life. Abortion is murder. ok, you brought up rape. did you know rape and incest make up less than 5% of pregnancies? thats really not a lot. not enough to be claims for abortion. yes, a crime has been committed against them and all my sympathy goes out to them but killing a life is a far worse crime. childbirth is hard, but come on, not THAT hard. nine months of discomfort is not lifethreatening. women were made to have babies. they'll survive. also, you brought up the fact that there should be a trimester boundary. it started out that way, for years, after roe vs wade, only abortion during the first trimester was legal. wasn't enough for people apparently, they kept pushing it back. is there really a difference in a first trimester fetus and a third trimester fetus? i mean, yes, there are numerous developmental differences, but there are just as many between a one year old and a twenty year old. should age make a person more human? is my father more of a person than my little brother? i'm glad you dont agree with abortion, countrygirl16, you're on the right track! research a bit more, it'll help.
I have never really defined myself as either pro-life or pro-choice.. but i definitely think i am leaning towards pro-life.. people shouldnt be able to just murder a child just because they dont want to have to take care of them.. there are many other options including adoption. there are other families out there willing to take on the responsibility with open arms..
A life is a life.. no matter how old or young.. people see a man that has been murdered on tv and think man.. this world can be cruel. and then change the channel... and then they see a small child being murdered and they seem to stop everything.. looking at the murderer as some sort of animal.. yet a lot of people who do this dont seem to think there is anything wrong with abortion..yet it is just murdering a very young life.. not even giving them a chance..
these are just my feelings though i know many people feel different ways and they have their own personal beliefs.
You know i could understand if the women was raped and is not wanting the child, but the American nation has used abortion as a sense of birth control. The get pregnant from a one nigh stand and say oopps well let me have an abortion. It's sad that abortion is looked upon as just a common ordinary thing. Here is something ironic in the Supreme Court Case of Roe vs. Wade which was whether Roe could have the abortion and she could make the decission, that women that fought over her to being able to have an abortion is now a supporter of Pro Life and as fought for it where as before she wanted the opposite. In all are mind we know that abortion just becasue is wrong!
I feel that abortion is murder: taking a life just to alliviate another. I know that's not the case all the time...rape happens, but abortion would still be murder in my eyes.
-Amanda-
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but isn't it better to terminate the life before the baby knows anything than to let it come into the world to parents that don't want it and then they abuse it making it's life miserable...or even killing it...at a point when it can comprehend the resentment it's going through...that just seems so much more inhumane to me
but there are other options.. they dont have to kill the unborn child.. and they dont have to keep it after its born.. if they know they wont be fit parents they can give the child up to others who will take care of it.. would you rather deny a life the chance to actually live?
adoption would be a great option...but unfortunately most people don't think like that
and I said I couldn't personally do it...but in a sense yes I do think it's better b/c I grew up with that resentment from my mother...I mean she once told me she wanted to hang me and I can't count the number of time she said she regretted having me...and I would never want a kid to have to go through that
adoption!
Ever hear this?
A. If you knew a woman who was pregnant, who had 8 kids already (some versions say 5 kids, some say 14), three who were deaf, two who were blind, one mentally retarded, (some versions of this story say that one of the siblings was in a mental institution) and she had syphilis (some versions say tuberculosis and some also say that the father was sick with sniffles), would you recommend that she have an abortion?
B. A poor black family in the South is expecting a fifth child. This family, because of its skin color, already has difficulty receiving help and are already at the bare minimum poverty level. The outlook for their present children does not look bright. Abortion or Not?
Answer Yes and:
A. You've just killed Beethoven
B. You've just killed Martin Luther King
hah.. yes i have heard of that before.. and for me personally i would have answered no for both of those anyway.. but i like those examples.
I have to commend you on this !! I couldnt have said it better myself!
Mosquitos are lives. Chickens and cows are lives. Do you swat mosquitos or eat meat?
I strongly recommend you read these:
http://www.progressiveu.org/020948-step-step-argument-abortion-it-murder
http://www.progressiveu.org/061328-step-step-argument-abortion-teen-sex-...
We are talking about human lives here...
-Amanda-
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not really b/c at the point of conception it isn't a human...it's a mass of cells...by aborting the said mass of cells you'd be killing off about the same amount by scratching your arm or something of the sort...not a big deal
and I agree with kiota...if you're going to protect a certain life think about them all...I have no problem swating mosquitoes or eating meat...taking away life
Um, SO? Why is a human life automatically more important than that of an animal? Sure it is, in most cases. But if a human can't even THINK or FEEL, and has never thought or felt, and is, in fact, INCAPABLE of thought or feeling, it seems to me that a cow, who IS, is far more important. I assume you don't call the killing of cows for meat murder, though, even though they are thinking, feeling creatures.
exactly...I like the way you think....haha
as I brought up in an earlier comment...why not spare it the pain before it even knows what pain is?
plus even looking at the other options...they are really viable considering that most unwanted pregnancies aren't thought through...so the options are rationally thought about either
it's not like anyone is telling you to have an abortion...but if you want to then you shouldn't be stopped
Well, it's kind of obvious that we are higher than animals: thinking, reasoning, language...the list could go on and on. I agree that the unborn child cannot think or feel at the time of conception, or most of the time in the womb...no one ever takes potential into account anymore. I see all these comments about "it's just a mass of cells", "it can't feel"...yes, but that mass of cells would, given the chance to live, form into a regular human being like you and I.
-Amanda-
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but for you to say that then you're playing God...you're dictating who's important...saying that wasn't hard for you right? it's the same concept as getting an abortion...imagine that
How is that "playing God"?
-Amanda-
by dictating what species are superior and taking away lives (of the inferior species) b/c of it...if you can so easily do that without any problems then why can't a woman do that too?
Waitwaitwait. Are you saying that you truly and honestly believe that humans are not superior to mosquitos? Are you saying that swatting a mosquito is the equivalent of the murder of a human being? Is accidently stepping on an ant the same thing as manslaughter?
we're not above morally above animals. we're only superior in ways that we deem relevant to us.
everything else is fine, though.
Abortion.. this subject has been avoided
I would argue that abortion is anything but avoided.
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I’m personally for abortion, but not because it’s “right” or “wrong”. Because of abortion's paradoxical moral intricacy, i propose we put aside morality and focus on abortion from a purely rational view in terms of its wider implications.
While its great to allow a person a chance to live life, they're only putting more strain on the many world problems associated with overpopulation. For example, more people means more mouths to feed, meaning food is scarcer and more expensive for the rest of us, more natural resources are consumed and more fossil fuels are being burnt. In the big picture, outlawing abortions allows unwanted population growth, which is not only problematic for the mother of the child, but ultimately problematic for society and even the environment. If we allow abortion, it will act as a much-needed population control method that, at the risk of sounding evil, will prove beneficial for the earth.
People sometimes fail to make the distinction between whether something is morally justifiable, and whether it should be permissible. Abortion is an evil, no doubt about it, but it is a necessary evil for the wellbeing of the mother, society and the environment. It makes sense that we want to live righteously, as we’ve been brought up that way, but its important to understand when we need to get our hands dirty, when we need to compromise ethics we hold dear for something bigger than us.
And so, we can’t win this debate either way on pure human decency. I don’t expect you to agree with me, but I urge you to base your opinion on a rational, evidential standpoint when instinct fails.
X-([ Let's take apart your response in sections so that i make sure I understand your point of view: #1- Worlds Problems associated with "over population", So you must agree with Hitlers era? He believed that by killing certain "undesireables" he could create a perfect race, so by mainstreaming abortion we can stop overpopulation?
Maybe we should adopt China laws, no more then 1 child per family?
Let's critically think about that, the life expectancy of a human in the USA is 66.9 yrs of age, so if we continue to kill off the fetus, then how will we re-populate? Now mind you we have to consider the death tolls for war, unexpected deaths, and so on and so forth. Remember 911- we lost 5600 people in that disaster, so should we save only 5600 babies to make up for that & let the rest die?
#2- Let's define your phrases : Moral = Morality (from the Latin moralitas "manner, character, proper behavior") has three principal meanings: #1-In its first descriptive usage, morality means a code of conduct held to be authoritative in matters of right and wrong #2-In its second, normative and universal sense, morality refers to an ideal code of conduct, one which would be espoused in preference to alternatives by all rational people, under specified conditions. #3-In its third usage, 'morality' is synonymous with ethics, the systematic philosophical study of the moral domain.[
Justifible: #1-To validate one's statement with positive evidence
and finally : permissible, allowable, lawful, legitimate, legal; legalized; (law); licit; unforbid, unforbidden; unconditional.
So you are saying there is confusion of if abortion is morally (matters of right or wrong) justifiable (positive evidence to validate this ) or if its permissible ( allowable, lawful)
So if someone can say that its right in their mind, and they have just cause to abort then it should be allowed? Then it would be okay?
------------------------ Question: If someone raped your daughter: would you find it : morally justified to kill them?
You make the statement: Abortion is evil: no doubt: but it's a Necessary evil? Necessary
Adjective
1. Absolutely essential. <----------- abortion is absolutely essential?
2. Unavoidably determined by prior circumstances<---- Abortion is Unavoidable?
Instinct:= Noun
1. Inborn pattern of behavior often responsive to specific stimuli
A women is born to birth children, thats how we were made but a higher power!
Abortion is a choice that someone makes, Just like a drug dealer, a burglar, they are making bad choices.
Please don't make excuses for the choices you make, make good choices then they wont be 2nd guessed.
There is nothing more painful then the death of a child, either in utero or in birth or in abortion.
Take the time to save a life not make excuses why its allright to kill innocent babies!
some valid points, i admit.
i probably seem evil to most people who read my first piece. but its hard to define evil as anything other than a perspective that conflicts with long-accepted human morals and ethics. the same thing happened in the renaissance when new themes such as sexuality were introduced into art; it challenged long-standing beliefs, people called it sinful. and look where it is now.
the hitler comparison? i can't argue with that entirely. i don't morally condone what hitler did, but the concept he employed was TECHNICALLY valid if you excluded ethics from it: dispensing with a few minor hindrances will benefit society as a whole. i don't agree with the whole idea that jews were inferior, thats a different debate, nor would I have imposed by beliefs like he did. what he did wasn't necessarily right, but in principal it was theoretically valid.
the age-expectancy etc. thing? you're right, except for one thing. i don't WANT us to keep our population levels up, because of what we're doing to as a whole to ourselves and the earth because of it. if we can't let the numbers drop naturally by balancing ourselves out with the nature, such as not burning fossil fuels and not harvesting more than the earth can allow, frankly i'd rather wipe out the whole friggin population and myself than continue to utilise the earth's resources for personal gain.
i don't think any type of ethnicity is superior or anything like that, i don't think even I deserve a place in this 'perfect world' anymore than anyone else. but i think that same logic can apply to aspects of the natural world that we have so blatantly taken advantage of.
and the china thing? ... if it works.
i still stand by my case of moral necessity, but i'll try to rephrase it. i find our treatment of the environment to be as much a moral issue as abortion, as it results in the death of a ridiculously large number of animals covering a ridiculously wide diversity of species, MUCH more than abortions.
i don't mean to personally target abortions, but i would consider it the lesser of two evils if it helped alleviate the pressure we're putting on the environment, because on a larger scale and in the longer term it is indirectly saving more life than its killing.
I find abortions to be like the controversial nude portraits that surfaced recently: I don't personally condone them, but in a sense we need them as they help us push boundaries that we would not otherwise push, helping us grow as a society.
Also, I'd prefer if we didn't go into that whole nude-portrait controversy.
anyway, you bring up a strong case, and i completely understand where you come from. my view may seem a bit extremist, in fact i'm surprised even as i write this. but my parting statement is this to anyone who thinks killing innocent babies is unfair: life isn't fair. sad, but true.
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Let's define the word: Abortion: #1- An abortion is the removal or expulsion of an embryo or fetus from the uterus, resulting in or caused by its death. Next let's define Murder: #2- In common law jurisdictions, murder has two elements or parts:
the act (actus reus) of killing a person
the state of mind (mens rea) of intentional, purposeful, malicious, premeditated, and/or wanton.
So after reading those definitions: what would you say?
Is abortion : Intentional? Purposeful?Malicious?Premeditated? Then Abortion Is Murder! Is abortion: Killing a person? Yes , that embryo wll grow into a fetus that will be delivered as a new born that will live & breath like we do, but abortion stops that embryo from ever becoming a fetus, its stops the chance at life.
Regardless of the reason, Abortion is murder. :'((
Adoption is always an answer!!
...due to your incorrect assumption that a fetus in the earliest stages of development is legally considered a "person." To quote the Court in Roe (which whether you like it or not IS the final word on the matter unless the High Court takes the unlikely step of reversing itself)...
As the Court indicated in its decision, this point if it were granted would clearly mean victory for the opponents of legalized abortions. But that pont was NOT granted by the Court, and barring a reversal on their part represents a concrete factual inaccuracy in your argument, which in turn causes that argument to fail.
TTFN,
Blackout
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my argument can be construed as anti-abortion, which is not true. in fact, i think cutting down the population, as morally questionable it seems, is a practical option to alleviate pressures on the economy and environment. what i'm really trying to do is inject a new stipulation, a new viewpoint, into a grossly repetitive debate.
a lot of people talk about how morally wrong abortion is, as it kills "innocent babies". but they seem to forget that we do the exact same thing to animals, among other things, and no one seems to complain about it.
this frustrates me. we preach about how we need to preserve innocent life, then we take our dog to the vet and neuter them, taking away any chance of them giving life, against their will. how the f**k can we say choosing to end our own baby's life is immoral, when we kill another mother's baby AGAINST her will and think nothing of it. thats hypocrisy, pure and simple.
i'm sick of humanity's whole supremacist attitude towards the natural world. i'm sick of how we unfairly take advantage of it, how we bend it to our own will and destroy it in the process.
i don't personally blame any but a few people for this. many people like myself were born into it and we're trying to do our bit to improve it.
but regardless, i don't believe we should consider ourselves above any abortion law we impose on our animal friends.