In my home state of Michigan Republican David Agema has proposed a bill letting teachers carry concealed weapons on schools grounds. Agema backed by 15 other house members said "teachers need guns to defend students form attacks by both terriost and other students". But is carrying a gun the answer to the problem. As a native Michigander who has attended public schooling for all of her school lifetime I feel that more safety precautions are needed but I’m not sure a gun is the answer, in fact I think it would make things worse. Teachers are underpaid over worked and over under appricated; so that gun could the weapon in an upset teachers rage. Students being constantly picked on could get a hold of the gun and take matters into their on hands. many things could go wrong with a teacher carrying a gun in schools in my opinion I think they need to go back to the drawing board and find another way to protect our teacher, maybe a more nonviolent approach.
I love it when people who think like that get seats in the government. I mean, my motto has always been "Solve Violence With More Violence!"
That was sarcasm. And that bill is absurd. You should start a petition or write to try and stop that from passing. Although, I doubt it will pass. It's all just a little to...shall I say, dangerous?
"We shall not cease from exploration and the end of all our exporing will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time." --T.S. Eliot
Like we haven't learned crap from history?
Why do people insist that guns will solve everything? Look at the story of that amish teacher not to long ago that killed a bunch of students? Need I even whisper the words of Virginia Tech? Come on... we can't even keep teacher's hands off our students... let's not give them guns, too.
claps hands at that statement if only this narrowminded genuis would think of these things before he goes speaking of guns
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I think that teachers should be setting an example for students and by allowing them to carry guns it may give students the wrong impression. I agree, allowing teachers to carry guns is not the answer
Giving guns to teachers gives students bad ideas. 'If they could carry them, why can't I' would probably be the thought. Anyway even if they aren't "planning" to use it, they will still have it and that gives opportunity. Even if the teacher doesn't want to hurt anyone they still have a weapon that will, and could go off on accident. It gives a bad impression on the teachers and it increases the risk. Also what if students get a hold of this gun? Some students are willing to go to great lengths and then they'd have access to guns at school. They don't even need to be checked for weapons cause its already at a ready supply.
I think that we live in a sad world when violence is a way of life. We need to get rid of guns all together, except for policemen and people that need them. if no one had guns, then no one wud need a gun to protect them from someone else with a gun. Death is taken too lightly these days.
i think that having a gun in a school is such a stupid idea and wondering how the crazies get such powerful positions
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"gun-Free Zone" = "Victim Disarmament Zone"
Gun control laws do not protect good people; they disarm good people. Bad people are encouraged, not intimidated, by gun control laws. Criminals, by definition, break the law – how is a new law going to prevent them from carrying a gun when they’re breaking a law to use it in a crime in the first place?
Lesson #1: Ask a criminal: they prefer a disarmed population. Defenseless people are easier to victimize.
Lesson #2: Guns in the hands of responsible teachers, doctors, and bus drivers are NOT what is transforming our “Gun-free zones” into killing zones. It’s guns in the hands of criminals, giddy with the leftist policies that guarantee their victims and any eyewitnesses will be disarmed and defenseless.
Lesson #3: Allowing teachers to carry concealed weapons in the classroom is already a protected right in 40 states. I bet you didn't know that, did you. However, many school policies are against CCW in the classroom. This is the issue. Being that the guns would be concealed, how do you propose the deranged child figure out which teacher was carrying and where the gun is being carried on said teacher? Without knowing those two things, it would be rather difficult to “get those guns”.
Lesson #4: Do you realize that Utah allows teachers to carry concealed? Not only can I not find a single incident of a teacher being disarmed in Utah, I can’t even find a single shooting having taken place in a school there. Utah law now makes clear schools can't prevent people with concealed-weapons permits from carrying firearms on campuses. No deaths have occurred, and I guarantee you that criminals will think twice about attacking these schools. I would certainly not hesitate to send my kids to such a school.
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,650198346,00.html
To those of you who have openly armed police in your school: how many times has a student tried to grab or take away the officer's gun? None. Repeat, none. It is truly a sad assessment of society when students respect an armed officer instead of their teachers. Don't forget: not every school has an officer in it, and one officer can be overwhelmed by several attackers, especially armed attackers.
To conclude, i would not hesitate to send my children to a school with responsible teachers who have passed the mental and physical fitness requirements set by my State to carry a concealed weapon with them to work.
One more lesson: Fear of an inanimate object = "holopholobia" Look it up.
Class dismissed.
"gun-Free Zone" = "Victim Disarmament Zone"
Gun control laws do not protect good people; they disarm good people. Bad people are encouraged, not intimidated, by gun control laws. Criminals, by definition, break the law – how is a new law going to prevent them from carrying a gun when they’re breaking a law to use it in a crime in the first place?
Lesson #1: Ask a criminal: they prefer a disarmed population. Defenseless people are easier to victimize.
Lesson #2: Guns in the hands of responsible teachers, doctors, and bus drivers are NOT what is transforming our “Gun-free zones” into killing zones. It’s guns in the hands of criminals, giddy with the leftist policies that guarantee their victims and any eyewitnesses will be disarmed and defenseless.
Lesson #3: Allowing teachers to carry concealed weapons in the classroom is already a protected right in 40 states. I bet you didn't know that, did you. However, many school policies are against CCW in the classroom. This is the issue. Being that the guns would be concealed, how do you propose the deranged child figure out which teacher was carrying and where the gun is being carried on said teacher? Without knowing those two things, it would be rather difficult to “get those guns”.
Lesson #4: Do you realize that Utah allows teachers to carry concealed? Not only can I not find a single incident of a teacher being disarmed in Utah, I can’t even find a single shooting having taken place in a school there. Utah law now makes clear schools can't prevent people with concealed-weapons permits from carrying firearms on campuses. No deaths have occurred, and I guarantee you that criminals will think twice about attacking these schools. I would certainly not hesitate to send my kids to such a school.
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,650198346,00.html
To those of you who have openly armed police in your school: how many times has a student tried to grab or take away the officer's gun? None. Repeat, none. It is truly a sad assessment of society when students respect an armed officer instead of their teachers. Don't forget: not every school has an officer in it, and one officer can be overwhelmed by several attackers, especially armed attackers.
To conclude, i would not hesitate to send my children to a school with responsible teachers who have passed the mental and physical fitness requirements set by my State to carry a concealed weapon with them to work.
One more lesson: Fear of an inanimate object = "holopholobia" Look it up.
Class dismissed.
thanx for breking it down for me that was a very inlightning lesson.
but you have to understand that I live in michigan not utah teachers are sometimes a threat to our children without concealed weapons, so just passing a law without thinking about the safety of the schools is what bothers me the most. we don't have accurate background checks, so this poses a risk for students parents and other teachers because in michigan teachers are very underappreciated and very underpaid plus the financial stress you have a hostel individual with a weapon. not to mention how many coaches are being brought up on rape charges so i personally feel that alot more thought needs to be put into this bill before it is passed.
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You said, "we don't have accurate background checks, so this poses a risk for students parents and other teachers because in michigan teachers are very underappreciated and very underpaid plus the financial stress "
I agree that teachers are underappreciated, unpaid and under stress. However, so are most people. Teachers are actually very well paid for their work. For example, here in KY a Rank 1 teacher makes $47,500 and has an excellent benefits package. Don't forget, they only work 9 months out of the year. If you scaled this sort of compensation to 12 months, you'd be making close to $60K. This is excellent pay.
Using your logic, a social worker in an urban area who carries a concealed weapon would be an even greater danger, as the stress of their job is incredibly high. Plus, they get paid an average of $28K a year, work around kids who are "wards of the state" who come from questionable backgrounds.
What about a public defense attorney? Average around $25K. They work with murderers, rapists, etc. on a daily basis. Worry about your life much? I doubt it, compared to these guys. I suppose using your logic, they are to be feared for owning a weapon.
I don't get your argument.
You said, "you have a hostel (sic) individual with a weapon."
Don't mistake hostility for an attempt to gain control of a situation, or for an attempt to get your respect, etc. Why don't kids act up, heckle, spit on, punch the police officer in your school? Probably because they are authority figures. A teacher is an authority figure too, but they do have to put up with more crap from punk kids. Harassing a police officer will get you a ticket to jail. Harassing a teacher results in a lesser penalty, which is a shame.
Why do you think teachers are dangerous or hostile? You must have had some bad experiences. I went to a Catholic high school here and have seen kids strangled, beaten, attacked witha bowling pin, hung out of a window, etc. These were AP kids. Crazy, huh? It's all hush-hush, because attending school there was a priveledge. You paid a premium for a hostile environment...:)
In the public schools, typically teachers have to pass a rigorous background screen to be eligible for employment to begin with. Couple this with the CCW requirements, and you have a sound system, in my opinion.
You said, "so just passing a law without thinking about the safety of the schools is what bothers me the most."
I doubt your legisloators are going to be able to push through a weak law concerning CCW in schools. If it bothers you, write your representatives. If they are like mine, they listen. Some will even call you if you give them a phone number. Exercise your rights much? I do.
As I mentioned in my last post, the superintendant, or even the principal would be the ones dictating who gets to carry in the school. Personally, I think this is too subjective, but I'll take it for a start.
point taken and i have wriiten a letter and many emails to my state representive and the representive who wants to pass this bill but i haven't recieve any contact. i'm still uneasy about guns in school. to me our school system is not strong enough to handle that responsibility. and here in michigan specifically detroit, teachers only make30,000
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