As some of you may of heard in the news lately there is a man( once a women) who is now pregnant and will give birth to a child. The story is that a beautiful women in hawaii who was a lesbian, but felt that deep down inside she was a man and began to take male hormones to deepen her voice, grow facial hair as that on a man and other things. She fell in love with another women, but her girlfriend could not have a child because she had cancer of the female reproductive parts. Anyways the girl( who wanted to be a man) had surgery and got her breast reduced and other things but kept her female reproductive parts. She got artificially inseminated and now is pregnant. She is also legally a Man now by the government of the US as every record of her being a female has been changed. Now when i first heard this i was a little lost, but then i understood. The only problem i had was now this changes lots of rules, such as does this mean that men can get leave for maternity as women get, does this man get to use the women's or men's restroom at a public place? Obviously he is a lesbian still, but can men be called that? What will happen to these defined rules? The Supreme Court has had many rulings about same partner marriage but now thats she's a man does this count? I am not trying to complain or agree but i would like to know what others feel about this topic. Please tell me what you think about this situation!
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I have heard about this in school from people who have been watching the news. It is quite... intriguing to say the least. I mean good for him for making his own decisions in life. But the practical questions that you ask about such things as the bathroom are both comical and eluding. What's a person to do in a situation like this? For some reason, whenever i think of a man being pregnant i remember Arnold Schwarzenegger in the movie Junior. I don't know why. And then i laugh.
Well, HE is a MAN so therefore there is no confusion about the restrooms, just because he is pregnant does change the fact he is a man. He is not a lesbian, he WAS a lesbian. First he was a she, and dated men. Then she was a lesbian. Then she was a HE. There is nothing confusing about it, he is a man.
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but he has female reproductive organs, so that does throw in a twist because I thought that that was kind of what defined males and females was those organs...idk, its all a little weird in my opinion
Internal yes, but legally and visually a man. He does actually have a penis from taking the hormones, and his womb was actually transplanted from his wife.
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really? that's not what I read - but then again I am definitely not standing behind the article I read in terms of its legitimacy. So the wife has no womb? hmm I thought he didn't want the external though. Plus, hormone medication won't just create that at this point - will it? I really have no idea about any of this I just think its weird. But its hard for me to believe that hormone pills or shots or w/e can actually create reproductive organs where they did not exist in a fully grown adult.
Well they do, not necessarily a reproducting organ but a penis. I watched the episode of Oprah where he was on it, so I believe that over anything else. But he also has been off hormones for a long time now so as not to effect the prenancy and the child.
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The hormones may enlarge the clitoris, but it is not a penis. It's still a clitoris.
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Right but he called it a penis, so that is what I went with. He said that his wife and him can even have intercourse.
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His enlarged clitoris is (I'm pretty sure here) not anywhere near the size of an average penis, so if they're having "intercourse" the penetration involved is probably not with his enlarged clitoris.
I just want to be clear here, there is no way for any already-born person to spontaneously grow a penis, not even with hormone therapy.
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No, he stated that it is enlarged enough so that his wife and him could have interscourse with his enlarged clitoris. I saw this all on Oprah from his mouth, so there I know this is factual. He said intercourse, not meaning a strap on.
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hormones don't create a a womb or penis, the woman who became a man only looks like a man but has a womb!
It is his womb. He has only had "top" surgery, and he is (or was) taking hormones, but the hormones don't create a penis. That would have to be surgically constructed, and the reproductive organs would be removed at that time. He did not have this done, so he still has female reproductive organs. That's all.
Your comment above was right on target though...HE is a MAN, internally (as in mentally and spiritually) and visually. However the person identifies is the correct sex. I can't think of any decision more personal. Why would anyone question him if HE says HE's a man?
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Okay, I must have been confused with the womb part. And he actually only has one fallopian (sp?) tube because the first try the egg and sperm clogged a tube and he had to have surgery, because it was a life threatening condition. So this really is a miracle.
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Why it is a miracle? You only need one ovary to produce an egg... And women have ecoptic pregnancies... the doctors once thought my mom had one when she was having bad cramps, but the fact that her tubes were tied and she hadn't had sex in like a year before that made it kind of impossible...
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Well it makes it harder... sorry? That is just what I think.
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she took hormones to become more like a man but he does not have a penis, he has a vagina
Exactly what I was saying! Thanks for posting that because now I don't feel like I misunderstood the situation anymore!
He said he didn't want to mess with changing that.
I don't really know where everyone is getting their information, but clearly some of these sources are wrong (I am not arguing that mine are right - I actually don't really have any I trust much). I did see the Oprah video though, and I know some of you thought you were getting your information from her, but the stuff you said about the situation was very different from what I saw of the show and read from her on the internet.
If anyone comes across a trustworthy or scholarly article on this topic, let us know.
If you read all the other posts and replies, we have already cleared all this up.
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I think you are making a lot of assumptions about what "the rules" actually are. For example...
It is a common misconception that federally mandated "maternity leave" only applies to women. This is untrue. It is a little known fact that the The Family and Medical Leave Act of 1993 also covers men, and provides fathers with the same opportunities and protections as mothers following the birth or adoption of a child.
The federal courts have ruled that a transgendered person may use the restroom that matches the gender that they present, and that if another employee has a problem with that, the employer has the option of providing that employee (the one that complains) with an accommodation. (see Cruzan vs Davis (2002)
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so you've done some research i complement you!
I have a couple of problems with this blog. First, it is pretty uininformed. You ask questions in it, though, so that is somewhat more forgiveable. But you do make a lot of assumptions that could easily be cleared up with some credible research.
What I really want to make clear to you, in case it was unintentional, is the extreme offensiveness of your title. "Should this be allowed?" I'm sorry, but no one tells straight women whether or not they are "allowed" to have children. Are you really suggesting that reproductive rights are something that should be legislated? Oh...wait...that's exactly what the anti-abortion movement is trying to do...but that's another blog. My point here is, you can't tell people they can't have a baby. He's able to have a baby. That's it. If you start controlling who can and can't have children, you will be looking at a very Brave New World scenario.
I hope you didn't really mean that ANYONE should be denied the right to have children.
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BNW, great reference. Great book! And you're right, you cannot tell people if they can or can't have a baby.
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First of all, HE is a MAN, not a woman. You continuing to call him 'she' does not change the fact that he is a man.
Perci already covered this, but men can have a paternity leave, just as women have a maternity leave. It doesn't happen quite as often (because the man is usually perfectly capable of working, while the woman needs at least a little time to recover from childbirth), but it still happens.
Does it matter? Last I checked, men's restrooms had stalls with toilets just as women's restrooms do... I can see men being a little uncomfortable seeing a pregnant man walking into the men's restroom, but if he wasn't pregnant, would you notice that he doesn't have a penis?
He can't be a lesbian, because he's a man. He's a straight man. I'm also not entirely sure he was ever a lesbian, because if he always considered himself a man, then he was following the urges of a straight man, and not those of a woman.
Seriously think about that for a second. A man wants to marry a woman. There's no laws against that. He is not a woman, and so the marriage would not be a same sex one...
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