I do not feel bad. I really don't. Drugs are a choice and dealing is a choice. Apparently San Diego State University makes the wrong choices. Today, 96 people were arrested at my school. The SDSU police and the DEA have been investigating for five months. The beginnings of this investigation started in May of 2007 when a girl from the sorority, Alpha Phi died from a drug over-dose. In February of this year, another student died. He was part of Sigma Pi fraternity, and died of an over-dose.
Several of these students arrested were criminal justice and homeland security majors. Sounds like a bad joke right? I wish it were. I am thoroughly embarassed by this drug bust that is making national headlines all of the country. A normal person would think one person dying would prevent the second death, but it didn't. It took two deaths and one of the biggest college drug ring busts in history to make people see. Did the dealers really think that they wouldn't get caught? Two deaths, and they didn't stop. They were killing people. They provided drugs that lead to deaths.
I am ashamed of my school right now. I am not sorry it happened though. I am glad. I have heard numerous people on campus saying, "Fuck the police, they ruined these guys lives." Actually, the police did their job, and the drugs did their job too. These students CHOSE to do drugs, and chose to sell them, and that is their own fault. I hope that this can help to prevent deaths, and lower the rate of drug use around my campus. This situation shows that drugs really can hinder a person's judgement and logical thought process. Had they not been enveloped by the drug lifestyle of dealing and using, they may have thought, "Hmm the police might investigate the death of that girl, maybe I should get out now." But they didn't, because money and drugs were more important.
So you all know the size of this drug bust, here is some information on it.
"Officials say the evidence seized as part of Operation Sudden Fall includes four pounds of cocaine, 50 pounds of marijuana and 350 ecstasy pills. Authorities also took one shotgun, three semiautomatic pistols and $60,000."
"In all, authorities confiscated more than $100,000 worth of drugs, Mosler said. Bags of marijuana weighing four or five pounds would sell for $4,000 to $5,000, he said, and a kilogram of cocaine would sell for about $17,000."
"DEA agents infiltrated several student drug distribution cells and made more than 130 drug purchases and seizures, a news release said."
I hope with all my heart and logic that people will learn not to deal drugs and create links between themselves and Tijuana Cartels. I hope my campus came become a somewhat safer environment with much less dealing and using. This is a disturbing issue for me, and I am still in disbelief that at this moment people I know are sitting in a police station, or even a jail cell. Hopefully, you all realize the impact of this situation and it doesn't happen to your college.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/05/06/sdsu.bust/index.html?iref=24hours
What I'm most shocked by is that two fraternities are involved. One of the fraternities was practically running a business dealing.
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I won't paint the whole fraternity system with the same brush, but in my college experience, the fraternities are exactly the group one would expect to be involved...some more than others.
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Agreed. I was not shocked that fraternities were involved. Just ashamed. Not to say that all fraternities are like that because there was only a couple involved out of about 12 or so on my campus.
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the fact that it involved frat and sorority people does not shock me, try reading sorority, it's very interesting.
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Oh it could definitely be classified as a business, they used the money for their parties and other events within the Greek life.
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I know of a frat that gets all the guys together and they buy a lot of bricks of weed. Get a bunch of guys together and things go bad. lol
yes, but you can't overdose on the active chemical in marijuana - it has never killed anyone.
I have to agree with you all the way on your philosiphy on drugs and dealing. Though it is a persons choice on whether they should do the stuff or not is totally up to them. Even though millions of people are affected by them every day and non of them turing out bad i hope they come to thier senses by the time its too late.
Hopefully this will not only clean up my campus, but others (especially in California). UCSD and USD may not have the same drug ring like SDSU but maybe it will better their campuses too. Who knows.
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That sucks. People should realise by now that they will get caught. I don't understand why people still seem to think they can get away with something. Good blog but I am sorry that your college had this problem. I bet there are alot of colleges with this problem maybe not as severe, that haven't been busted yet.
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Yeah, not to mention finals are next week. What I really don't understand is why they thought they wouldn't get caught after TWO deaths of students on campus. Ridiculous.
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They probably didn't think that looked suspicious to be honest. Don't let this affect your finals. i know it sucks. I think it is so stupid they should have gotten a clue after doing this. What is happening to this world? It feels like I have seen it crumble right before my eyes.
Best regards to the families who have lost their children. I am sorry for that.
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Oh, well most my finals are in 3 weeks, since I attend both the State and local CC, but they wouldn't affect mine. Just ever person arrested is suspended and all the classes they were in, they fail.
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I'm def. with you against they people saying that the police messed those guys future's up. They were doing their job and the guys were doing illegal things. They should have known better and they got what they deserved. IKarma's a biatch.
It's so sad that two deaths occured though. RIP <3
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It is the so-called authorities that should be ashamed. They have nothing better to do than to get easy targets like the local college student.
The thing about your local college drug dealer is that they are harmless because they are high functioning members of society that will not continue to deal drugs after they graduate. Each and every campus has them.
Now, they're making sure that these high functioning members will go to jail, and be let out into a world determined to ensure they will not have a future. Their degrees will be meaningless. These people will have to turn to crime when they are let out.
Will it really make the world a better place to turn achieving students with low to no drug dealing recidivism rates to low-lifes who can't get a job?
It turns out that a large percentage of the students arrested were Criminal Justice or Homeland Security majors. So maybe they wouldn't grow up to be future drug dealers, they'd just grow up to be corrupt police officers.
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What were those kids thinking? They HAD to know the potential damage to their careers!
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That was MY reaction too! I read one local article where an undercover investigator said the grad student going for a homeland security major ASKED if it would affect his future in Homeland Security! Really?!?
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Ok. Now I see why you are ashamed of your university. That does not reflect well on the quality of education happening there!
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Exactly! I mean what if he hadn't gotten caught? A month form now he would have his masters and be working to the Feds most likely! Scary to think about.
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"They have nothing better to do than to get easy targets like the local college student."
I really don't think you understand the immense size of this drug bust. It was not just college dealers here, they were trafficking drugs from Tijuana. They didn't only arrest students, they arrested a large amount of dealers all of San Diego.
I should be ashamed, how does this make my school look? It is not something I take part in and yet now most of the country probably looks at SDSU and says "Oh the school with the drug bust?"
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The ones which died, did they OD or was there something wrong with the substance intake?
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They died from an OD. Both had cocaine in their system, but the girl also had ecstasy in her sytem.
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The law should be followed and I am in full agreement with this blog.
I seriously doubt that the deaths were caused by Marijuana and I think there is something wrong with laws that classify it the same as Ectasy and Cocaine. I have some sympathy for the people whose lives are wrecked by that irrational prohibition but I agree that the law should be followed. I hope it is eventually changed.
These kids are the small fry on dealing food chain. I hope they cut them some slack in return for their cooperation in prosecuting the heavy hitters.
No, it asn't from Marijuana, did I say that? Sorry if I confused you.
They both died from an OD of cocaine. And yes they are nothing compared to the people they recieved their supply from, because they were trafficking from TJ.
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No you did not say it and no I was not confused by what you wrote.
I did note from your post that some of the busts were for marijuana and while I agree with you that the laws should be followed and agree with you that dealers deserve whatever consequences come their way, in general I disagree with the prohibition on marijuana and I think it is too bad that people are having their lives wrecked over a drug that is generally less harmful than alcohol and which I don't think should be treated in the same manner as some of the other drugs you listed. But until the law changes the law should be followed and enforced.
Yea well I don't really care about Marijuana anyways, this whole drug bust was mainly due to the selling of cocaine and ecstasy pills.
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Hopefully these guys will learn their lesson after this experience, but something tells me 90% of them won't come away from this any smarter. People don't seem to learn from their own mistakes anymore. When a neighbor dies of a drug overdose, another druggie may think, "That can't happen to me." People's stupidity is very strong these days, let's just hope that enough of the busted guys will stop their drug use and pass it on to their friends.
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Sadly I agree, people just don't seem to get it these days. Hopefully some of them will, but I doubt the majority of them will give up their lifestyle.
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I'd like to say that an overdose has nothing to do with the dealer, but with the user. If a person uses a bottle of lorazipam to kill herself, does that make the pharmacist responsible? Of course it doesn't, so you shouldn't assume that a drug dealer is any more responsible for the death of one of his clients. The drug dealer is no less legitimate in my eyes than a pharmacist, anyway.
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Well, I didn't really say it was the dealer's fault. I did however say drugs are a choice. I only brought up the deaths because it would seem apparent that they would start some sort of under cover investigation which might make the dealers lay low or back off somewhat.
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That seems pretty accusatory...
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Yes I see what you're saying, but I also said drugs are a choice. They still provided drugs to the people who died, so technically they killed them. That is my opinion though, you don't have to agree or anything. I understand what you are saying though.
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if these drugs were legal and regulated, taxed, and doled out in set proportions, overdosing would be damn hard to come by. in this day and age i think that most of the illegal drugs could become legal and regulated. and what is stopping them from doing it? they had problems with alcohol even during the prohibition. just think about how many people live for and die over these drugs, and why? because it is illegal. someone had to do the work and risk being locked up for the rest of their lives, so someone else could sell these drugs to yet another person who really just wants to let go for a while. let their hair down, partially forget about the pressures of life, work or study, and just have fun. oh wait. fun. that is something for kids isn't it? no. do kids go to jail for playing tag? do kids go to jail for believing in cooties? no. drugs, while they can be used childishly, & with out reason, can be used responsibly. and with reason too.
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People do not live and die for these drugs because it is illegal to use them. Alcohol and cigarettes are legal and people live and die for those everyday.
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People don't live and die for cigarettes and alcohol the way they do for illegal drugs. With illegal drugs, the transactons are far less regulated and dealers are less culpable for their actions (given that buying the drugs is also illegal). We see this often with other illegal activity like prostitution. In places where prostitution is legal and regulated, the sex workers are not treated as they are in the inner cities of the US.
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I, from personal experience, know people who have the "live and die" mentality for alcohol and cigarettes. The amount of people like that compared to the amount like that who used illegal drugs is obviously completely different, but still. The prostitution example was a good one.
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No, no, no. People live and die for the illegal drugs since their exchanges aren't insured by the rule of law (I can't believe I just said that). People merely live for alcohol and cigarettes since it's not so difficult or risky to obtain such things.
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That shizzle was deep. I am sorry you were amidst such drama. I am glad you kept your focus on what you spent all that money to do. I never understood why college had to be one big party and sometimes one big orgy all the time. Don't get me wrong college was fun. It just amazes me that people are still doing dumb shizzle like that. Not only are they kicked out, lives are ruined and families are torn apart by stuff like this. Some people wait all that time to come to college and find themselves. Unfortunately, some of them found themselves dead. You stay true to yourself and keep informing people that these things happen.
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Thanks. Yea, and another way I look at it is I couldn't get in to SDSU as a full time student, yet all these druggies were attending the school. It is a shame the CSU system in California has no way of really knowing what students will do in their free time.
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Drugs are illegal for various reasons that we are all aware of, but to say that the people who dealt the drugs killed these people is a little harsh. When you buy drugs you are consciously choosing to put these drugs in your system one way or another. No one has a gun to your head telling you to buy these drugs. It is your money that you a physically giving to the dealer. I have no remorse for the people who died. That may sound cold hearted but when you take drugs there is always that risk that the drug is laced with something that could kill you, you want to take that risk, you take the risk of dying too.
Me blaming the drug dealers is no more harsh than you saying you have no remorse. I am not necessarily blaming them, I was making the point that their dealings led to the use which led to a death, and then another. And you would think after one girl died, they might be more careful but they weren't.
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The deaths could as well be blamed on government agencies who fail to inform people of the dangers of drugs without distilling the facts with blatant propaganda and lies.
Young people deserve information they can identify with and trust. If they go on to OD after that, then there's really no one we can blame but the users themselves.
True, there is always somebody to blame isn't there... I also doubt the dealers are saying "I will sell you this cocaine but do you know the side effects? And what it does to you when mixed with large amounts of alcohol or other drugs?" So then who is it up to really.
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The deaths could as well be blamed on government agencies who fail to inform people of the dangers of drugs without distilling the facts with blatant propaganda and lies.
Young people deserve information they can identify with and trust. If they go on to OD after that, then there's really no one we can blame but the users themselves.
That's preposterous!!
First of all, everybody is so quick to blame the government for EVERYTHING! "Awe, my cat fluffy died, it's the government's fault," or . . . "my cousin has AIDs, blame Bush." Gimmie a break! What about the parents? What about friends? It's a total cop-out to blame the government. When are people going to start taking personal responsibility?
Secondly, you blame the government for not "educating" people on drugs, but when is the last time any young kid actually listened to, and trusted ANYTHING the government had to say? The problem with college, is you have a massively liberal faculty all over the place that teaches kids to distrust the government and "challenge authority." It makes me sick. What ever happened to people just teaching kids the facts? Now adays, instead of just teaching kids how the government works, Professors spew their left-wing ideologies at VERY impressionable people, doing anything they can to advance agendas. Okay, sorry, I went a little off-topic there, but shit man.
You cannot say that all teachers are liberal, and even if they are they don't always teach kids that the government isn't to be trusted. I think you are stereotyping here.
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Well actually I don't want to blame anyone but the people who choose to play pharmacists ostensibly without bothering to find out about the chemicals they are consuming and then go on to OD or worse. I can't really blame those who OD either, though. I think every adult should have the inalienable right to self-destruction and 'insanity' as long as they don't cause physical suffering to others or deprive people of their freedom and rights, or, in a word, as long as they behave themselves. This is a bit radical, definitely against most mainstream conceptions, but I'm a strong individualist and I see modern psychology as a bane to human diversity and creativity. We can't assume to know what other people want for themselves and therefore our greatest responsibility is to teach them individual responsibility and reasoning, but never to enforce it after maturity. But no. People watch statistics and round up numbers, and somewhere in the process the individual is lost. You become a criminal because the numbers show that there is an increased likelihood that you will commit immoral deeds or fall into personal decay in the future. It's preemptive crime control, and worse. Someone else know how you should live your life. The 'experts' know what the human individual should be like. They always have, of course, but as technology becomes more efficient and governments improve their arsenal...I smell some kind of fascist dystopia on its way. But that's just my present mood, maybe I'll make a revocery from my current disillusionment as I get older and smarter. Maybe...
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This is the consumer fault. they knew the risks they were taking. it is like a buying a hand gun and then blaming the arms dealer that the homocide was his fault. it is 100% the consumer's fault.