The bible says that man should not lie with a man as he does with a woman (i.e., no intercourse). A lot of people have asked why... and here's my theory.
That part of the bible was written in a time of war. The Israelites had just been freed from their slavery and were just beginning to become independent and conquer their own country. Men would be away from their wives for literally YEARS. It was not uncommon for a man to not see his family for seven years or more.
So... you've got all these men. The testosterone is flowing. They don't have their wives or their girlfriends. They're doing ugly work killing people.
And you know, occasionally men get horny.
And when you're without your wife for seven years.... and all you've got is a few thousand other men... you might decide to take your pleasure with one of them. Just to relieve the tension a bit. Or maybe you'll start seeing some of the prettier men as women, because you get really desperate after a while.
In short, a lot of men would end up cheating on their wives with each other.
Around that time, that sentence about no gay buttsecks was written.
Not because buttsecks is bad.
Not because feelings for other men are bad.
But simply because cheating on your wife is bad. Even with another guy.
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I think this is a very thoughtful and interesting interpretation, and you may be right. I don't know a lot about the Bible, but I think that I've heard something about that part even meaning something intirely different from the way that we interpret it.
Also, when I clicked on the title of this blog, I was about ready to rip the author a new one, and then I saw it was written by you, the resident Israeli lesbian and I read the post and it turned to be quite different from my expectations. I guess I missed the "possible theory" part of the title and just thought you were some crazy homophobe.
I can't say that this idea makes much sense, though I was relieved to see that it was not as homophobic as the title might indicate. The bible specifies in multiple other places that one should remain faithful to one's spouse, which by extention would mean not sleeping with anyone else of either gender. One possibility I've heard is in an attempt to differentiate the Israelites from all other tribes as much as possible homosexual relationships were banned on a similar plane as dietary restrictions and other religious requirements.
"What was never given utterance eventually becomes too nebulous to recall."
~ Jane Smiley
In ancient times it is quite possible that gay sex wasn't actually considered sex. This passage in the bible is meant to bring gay sex into the realm of "actual sex." Much as relieving hysteria in women by stimulating the clitoris to orgasm in Victorian times was considered completely non-sexual, the gratification of sexual urges with war buddies could have been viewed as little more than masturbation. I realize that masturbation was also a sin in the bible, but it was likely pretty tolerated, or just sort of a ,"don't ask, don't tell" kind of thing.
Many sexual deviations, which military homosexuality is, stem from displacing sexual urges onto acts deemed non-sexual. Homosexual sex among soldiers simply "didn't count," in their minds. Though of course it could spread disease and so on.
Before I am misunderstood, I am not saying that the current expressions of homosexuality are necessarily "deviant." I am saying that homosexuality arising from lack of another option is a deviation.
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I think it's a sin because butt sex( were you just saying buttsecks for kicks?) is, for all intents and purposes usless. Only usless for reproductive purposes which unfortunatly, according to my knowledge of science and religion, is supposed to be our basis for living.
Buttsecks is a wonderful word.
Why then, not forbid oral sex? Oral sex is, for all intents and purposes (except things like, physical pleasure, sexual release, being close to your partner, etc), useless. So's fingering and handjobs. Why forbid anal sex ONLY between men? Why not between a man and a woman? It's still useless, then.
It is forbidden between a man and woman, too. Sodomy is illegal in most if not all states( I'm not sure about the rest of the world). I think that handjobs and blowjobs probably fall under adultery, which is forbidden in christianity at least, but you should check that before you start quoting me.
Try again...
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/LAW/12/02/scotus.sodomy/index.html
That was back in 2002. I'm pretty sure the outcome of that case was striking down all the laws. So sodomy is NOT illegal in most states now, and I'm pretty sure it's legal in all.
And do tell me, how do you consider handjobs and blowjobs adultery?
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Shit, now i have to try to expain myself.
I have to admit I havn't been keeping up on the sodomy laws, and I'm not suprised to see they have been abolished. As for hand jobs and blow jobs being adultery, I have never had a very clear view on adultery. The first time I heard the word was in the Bill Clinton trial, which is probably why I link it with blowjobs. Also, most of these types of activities seem to be for younger people, or maybe I just don't like the idea that when my parents go to the movies my dad might cut a hole in the bottom of the popcorn box like I do(jk). So I suppose that if it were between a married couple they could preform oral sex and mutual masterbation without it being adultery.
So there, your right and I'm not so right.
It is? Hm? Source for that? Sodomy (which, btw, is NOT the correct term for anal sex) is NOT illegal in ANY state in the US, nor in any progressive country.
How on earth do handjobs and blowjobs fall under adultry? Do you think married couples don't give each other oral sex? Your argument makes no sense.
Sorry, your right I hadn't heard anything about it for awhile. In the future I will think before I type.
No problem, I'm glad to see you can admit you were wrong - that's one of the most important things on this site, imo. I don't think people should even come here unless they're open-minded and willing to change their opinions.
You have to be open to the closed minded people as well. They can make good points, or at least you can warp their logic untill the point you make from it sounds good. Oh, now I'm just gonna talk in loops all night.
FYI: Adultery is fornication- having sex with someone you aren't married to. And a more strict Christian definition is spiritual adultery- imagining fornication.
Sodomy is no one's business. How would you even charge a person for sodomy? And proof?
-Sonja :)
I agree.....no more ANAL, or ORAL sex.........
I can live with Vaginal ONLY
Hm... I've never heard this perspective on it before. It might have something to it. lol.
Oral sex and anal sex between anyone is considered a sin. It doesnt matter if it is two men two women or man and woman.
The bible doesn't say anything (at least in the OT... I haven't studied the NT) about two women, only two men. So if you'd kindly provide verses that back up your statement, I'd appreciate it.
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I've studied the bible for many years and seen no such thing. Mind giving me a source? Because I'm 99.99999% certain you're wrong.
so gay sex? if your saying its a sin than why not mention anything else that is considered to be sinful, im not gay but i fully support anyone who is gay one because my aunt is two because my best friend is and three because its thier choice we were granted the right to the pursuit of happiness so let them be happy...straight people are so why bring up how wrong and sinful gay people are...
would a gay person please write a response to this cuz it needs both sides!!!
Ummm.... the post was written by a lesbian. Did you read it? cause I think you missed the entire point if you did.... She was offering an explanation why it WAS a sin in that culture, and shouldn't be considered one in ours.
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Whoa, you totally missed the point of my post.
I'm gay too, btw.
He he... I keep beating you to the punch.
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I was taught that both anal and oral is a sin. No I dont have the info to back me up now. But you better trust and believe I will have it soon.
You were taught wrong. Don't believe everything your teacher tells you. And, I eagerly await your sources.
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Oh yeah you all were correct it doesnt state it in the Bible but here is something that may help with my last comment.
http://www.centurionministry.org/body/sex.htm
Numbers 15:38-39 Ribbon of blue
I have one quick question and after that I want come back on this discussion after it gets answered. This question is for Kiota. What is the reason you ask all these questions about the Bible and the reason you study it? Its nothing wrong with it but Im curious because Im wondering if you do it because you really want to maybe change or believe.Im just really curious about it because everytime I read one of your blogs it kinda seems like you always talk about Christianity.Please I really would like to know because I cant understand why anyone would study something unless they were interested in it. I know I wouldnt study something just for the fun of it.:)
I just want you to know that I am not a perfect Christian. The reason I feel I should say that is because I dont want you to feel as if I may judge your beliefs or your wrongdoings becuase I sin everyday. I mean I dont sin your way but I have a foul mouth. Oh yeah I can get down with the best of them.lol I like going to the club. Is what I do wrong yes and I admit to them.I havent been in awhile but Im working on things a little at a time.The only reason I like commenting on your stuff is because believe it or not I find it interesting to know how people feel about something that I was raised up on. So no my comments are not for judgement and no I am no do gooder but I do feel like since I am a Christian I should speak up. I mean really who wants to read a blog where everyone is in agreeance with each other!?! I hope all my comments come off very polite because I try to be.
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Also, it is very unnecessary to make such a long comment. People will stop reading it, and they'll never get to what YOU wrote at the end. Try just leaving a link to the source, and adding your commentary after the link. That way they don't have to scroll for ages to get to the end of your comment to respond. Also, you won't be flagged for plagiarizing.
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That page is talking about lust. A completely different subject. Since serious, loving relationships between both heterosexuals and homosexuals are based on love, not lust, it's irrelevant. Committed couples generally have sex to provide each other pleasure, to feel release (orgasms btw have been proven to be healthy, both physically and emotionally - they relieve stress, etc), and to become closer to each other and discover each other intimately. Lust is not exactly forbidden in the bible, but it's a totally different topic from two men or two women who are deeply in love with each other, not only acting on feelings of lust.
Why do I study the bible? Well, I grew up in a very religious, Jewish town, and from the time I was five till I was fourteen I went to very good private schools, which were also very religious. So I basically studied the bible and other religious texts up to 30 hours a week (in high school - it was very intensive) for years. When I was fourteen I dropped out, but I continued to study the bible and to study religion. Why? Because it interests me. I stopped being religious when I was about thirteen and atm I don't really care much if God exists or not. But religion is a fascinating subject. Christianity is one of the biggest religions in the world and it's growing very fast. So many wars have been fought over it, so many people killed and persecuted, and also so many people have said that it saved them. So, it interests me. :) Also, I find it a very controversial religion because I disagree with many, many aspects of it (though the aspects differ according to each type of Christianity). I hope that answered your question. :)
I love your writing and ideas but...
this btw, atm, omg, imo, it really starting to wear at me. I think i have them for the most part(atm is at the moment, right?). Otherwise, it was a very enjoyable read.
I don't use them in posts (I think?), I'll try to use them less in comments.
I saw it once in the comments, when you mentioned how orgasms are healthy. But that's the only one I saw.
*shrug*
-- quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
This theory seems very possible. Being that adultery is one of the ten commandments, any violation would (I assume) be looked upon more shamefully than lesser "Biblical rules".
On a broader level, so much time is spent concentrating on this specific passage, when, correct me if I'm wrong, don't most religions believe in a loving God? One who loves them all so long as they respect and love Him? Didn't Jesus die for our sins (or so Christians believe)? Sometimes I think people forget that.
Unfortunately, many Christians don't really believe in a loving God... at least, not a Go d who loves EVERYONE. Or, they delude themselves into believing that their God loves everyone even though they also believe that God sends children to hell, etc.
Yeah, why is that?! If you are a religious person, why would you believe in your God as a wrathful hateful figure? It just doesn't add up in my opinion.
It's not that God sends people to hell. He loves everyone but gives people the freedom to choose what they do in their lives.
Many churches restrict God's love. I think it's ridiculous that some churches accept liars and conceited people but reject gay people. All sin is equal in God's eyes.
That is a really interesting theory. I had never heard that before, and it does make a lot of sense. I think that it also points out a major problem I've come to notice in a lot of people' s thinking. Texts like the Bible, the Koran, and the Torah were all written thousands of years ago. Certain things may have had completely different meanings when within the context of the era it was written in. So, it seems a little silly for things like this to go unnoticed, when it seems like a pretty good counterpoint to many intolerant Christians' Bible-based battle cries.
Good topic. I really like what I've read of yours so far.
Thank you :) (Rate! Rate! :p)
Shalom, resident Israeli lesbian,
Just want to say that everybody is gay, all women and men are gay upon this planet, lol!
We are a gay planet! The gayest planet in the universe! Haha
Love your post, it’s true what you brought up, same is taking place in jail, it’s the hornyness that drives people into gayness!
In about a hundred years from now, it will become more an emotional drive that will push people to mingle with the opposite gender.
I’m not ready for this yet, but most, definitely, lol
Most people that are against gay’s, are gay themselves, but they fight it from the inside, therefore they get frustrated, how sad is that!
They will give in sooner or later, love conquers all, same applies to gay’s…
;-)
Hm, I disagree with the part about homophobics being gay themselves... because that would make the majority of the human population gay O.o
...but there is objective evidence that agrees.
http://www.oogachaga.com/downloads/homophobia_and_homosexual_arousal.pdf
A Fact is Always Better Than an Ideal.
Now you got me confused, I love that part,
thank you
Arousal means nothing. O.o Take a healthy adult male and show him a pedophilic/zoophilic porn video or picture, and he'll likely get aroused, it doesn't mean he's really a pedophile or a zoophile.
It just makes no sense for the vast majority of the world to be gay, simply from an evolutionary viewpoint. O.o
The DIFERENCE in arousal is what was measured. Those that were strongly homophobic had a stronger arousal to homoerotic porn. Not proof, just evidence. As far as I've read the studies have been all male.
"It just makes no sense for the vast majority of the world to be gay, simply from an evolutionary viewpoint."
True, but if there is any genetic component to peoples preference it would have to be present in people that successfuly reproduced or it would have been eliminated long ago. So it is reasonable to assume that many heterosexual people have the gene, and perhaps a repressed tendency in some cases. Though it may not be genetic, then under the right circumstances anyone may have turned out gay. Either way a "vast majority" could potentialy be gay.
A Fact is Always Better Than an Ideal.
I'm so confused.
Maybe it’s your gayness kicking inn….hahaha,
I will not allow myself to become gay in this life, I love woman to much, they are the most fascinating wonders that walk upon this earth, WOMAN RULE!!!!!
;-)
I agree, women do rule, lol.
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lol,
lol, i already did wombels. I agree with it, but your comment confused me, lol.
Confusion, yes, well my comment was an attempt to bring in the homophobic,
“Most people that are against gay’s, are gay themselves”
I failed once again!
;-)
...and riled up some folks.
"Most people that are against gay’s, are gay themselves"
The evidence does indicate that at least the most fervent are, but it is not a popular fact. With either side, so I guess that is just another way in which they are the same.
A Fact is Always Better Than an Ideal.
I’m revolted to see what gay people have to endure!
It’s a shameful example on how little support they receive throughout their parental education and school. And for gay’s to find a way to fit in socially in many cases turns out to be a horrible experience!
BUTTSECKS.....HAHAHAHAHA
I told you I rate your posts! :)
Anyway, this is a really good theory. It makes a heck of a lot of sense. In fact, it makes me think of sailors who are without their wives for extended periods of time...you get the idea.
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Your blog is very interesting and I find it appealing that you question those things that so many people are too afraid to question. I often think about things such as this one in the bible and I like the way you went about you're theory. Times change and sometimes people forget that when it comes to religion. I think your theory while clearly informal is a good one and really quite possible.
This is an interesting case for this. I've heard some other interesting ones about how angels were around and they were taking advantage of them, but this one is intriguing as well.
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Did I miss the memo?
Is this a the bible bangers annonomous webpage
YOu all keep refering to this fairytale book and look to it with reverance
I write better than that POS book, and I've read it, and realise it was made(by man) to control people, and has had to change itself a few times to keep its control.
Happy bullshit parade to all you magic believers out there
Tommorow, the reality parade..
And by the way, who else is sick of the catholic school looking group under this box ever post
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Yes, you have missed something -
I'm not Christian and I don't believe in the bible.
Unlike you, however, I believe in intelligence, education, and free will.
"Unlike you, however, I believe in intelligence, education, and free will."
Correct, I dont believe in free will or education.
But that is because I believe in intelligence and have enough to see thru both of the above.
And for not being a bible believer you seem to side with it a lose.. .
Everything, you have done, and will do, is chemically predisposed by matter, even the fact you are reading this message. You make no choices, only perceive a given reality.
And im still waiting on a response to why bluemodelingmag was taught wrong.
"Prefiero morir parada que vivir la vida en mis rodillas"
ChemicalPredisposition,
What's the point of being an intelligent person if you have no control over your choices? It seems to me that someone who knows that they have no control over their life would just give up and not care about being smart or not.
Also, studying the Bible is not the same as believing in it. In order to counter a view that opposes yours, you have to know the other side as well as your own. I do not believe that Christianity is necessarily right, but I have a pretty good knowledge of Scripture so that I can actually argue INTELLIGENTLY with someone. One of the most fallacious forms of argument is debating blindly.
This page is not a place for you to lash out at other people's point of view. It's a place for you to express your own without fear of an aggressive attack, as well as respectfully debate with others' ideas. There is a way to argue with someone without coming across as an a**. You should definitely try to respect people on this site more, or none of us will take you seriously.
Before you jump on the fact that you seem I have no basis, you may want to ask.
I went to religioust school for 8 years of my life, I've learned the history of nearly every religion, read the entire bible as well as large portions of the other religioust "instructions manuals" all far more in depth then you have been taught in any relgioust classes you've taken by my own steam. Being taken seriously isn't my goal, I dont care even if you ignore the information or opinions(which I use less of then you) on here, the point is for anyone logical who does read it to gain something from it, I'm aware many of you would still be on the worlds falt side if the world was with you, but that will never restain me telling you otherwise, just because you get corrected does not come as an attack on you, cause I don't believe it is your fault you are wrong, your environment misinformed you. I'm just giving my brain some excercise and keeping myself amuzed.
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Everything, you have done, and will do, is chemically predisposed by matter, even the fact you are reading this message. You make no choices, only perceive a given reality.
You don't believe in free will? Hm, so if tomorrow some guy kidnaps you and rapes you and kills you, do you believe he did not have a choice in the matter?
There is no intelligence without education. And what is the point of education without free will?
You don't believe in education...? Are you going to school? College? If so, why? Why are you even on this site if you don't believe in education and in educating others and in learning? Just use some of your, er, non-existant free will and leave.
I certainly do not side with the bible, how ridiculous.
You're catching on, if i was kidnapped and raped, it would not be his fault. From his/her birth, he would have no choices how the world influenced and shaped him, based on the fact his matter can only choose(every time) the same destination, the same outcome, there is no changing what the chemicals in you were to choose. It's like if you mix 2 chemicals with the exact same amount together in the same way, the outcome will be the same every time.
And I am no longer going to college, I enjoyed acing Socialogy, Anthropology, General and Advanced Psychology(at the same time and was the first to do so), Calculus, World History, Public Speaking, Philosophy.. ect... All without so much as a Notebook or even an Hour of work outside school other than writing papers, No studying, No reviews, nothing. I took 18 class hours 2 semesters and worked 32 hours a week on top of that. I'm on this site because I came across the debate where someone stated life as pointless without faith.. That and to throw a little reason on some people that were lacking as I am home sick with 2 ear infections and currently am bored.
"I certainly do not side with the bible, how ridiculous."
Right? thats why you reference to it in nearly every post because you are weary of how it percieves your life choices(homosexuality, which is not your fault or your choice so anyone who blames or mistreats you is wrongfully doing so) and you also tend to side and agree with every comment bias with religion, you favor the belief in non-scientific beliefs.. anyways..
Everything, you have done, and will do, is chemically predisposed by matter, even the fact you are reading this message. You make no choices, only perceive a given reality.
Did anyone notice that English wasn't among the curriculum?
"Prefiero morir parada que vivir la vida en mis rodillas"
...I must admit, I loled.
You aced all those subjects, hm? If you aced sociology (what sociology class specifically?), you should at least be able to spell it. How old are you, and what college did you go to?
I think it's ridiculous to believe we have no free will. I am choosing to write this and I could just as easily choose not to write this. I could choose to go to bed now or in an hour. A rapist can choose whether to rape or not, saying he could not choose to rape is pretty disgusting... people have full control over their actions and should take responsibility for them.
Er, I'm not remotely religious, I'm agnostic, I don't believe in the Bible, but it's quite interesting and it influences the majority of the world.
Yes, you can choose more than one avenue, but "you" the chemical body that is you, will make the same decision every time in a given situation at a given time. Your response to your environment is like a chemical added in a precise way to another chemical, responding (or not), which is the same outcome every time. As there are only 2 variable, the environment, and that which lives in it (which was created by it). I went to University of Nebraska Omaha, UNO (credited). Yes the bible does influence a large amount of the populous, but so did the concept that the earth was flat for some time. The first bibles also believed stars were simply holes poked in the vale that covered us and following bibles when you opened them had a "picture of the universe"(on the opening pages) and earth was in the center with only a few bodies around it. There was nothing known within it the people at the time were unaware of, which shows it wasn't inspired by God, and thanks for catching a spelling error, if that’s the best error you can spot ;).
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Everything, you have done, and will do, is chemically predisposed by matter, even the fact you are reading this message. You make no choices, only perceive a given reality.
We aren't interested in hearing how you aced this or that (though you clearly didn't, your writing skills are terrible). You talk and talk about how you are so well-versed in all of these subjects, and all of the schooling you've had in your life, but you claim to not believe in education? And you call Kiota a hypocrite.
If you think that the Scripture references used in this blog are meant as support for what Christianity stands for, then you have a lot of work to do before you're as intelligent as you claim to be.
I'd like to meet the professors that aced you; it must be a breeze to get a degree from your school.
Pass judgment on a subject you know nothing of, it seems to be right up your alley. I am pretty well versed in a lot of these subjects as a human that lives around ignorance has to be to be able to talk intelligently above a crowd of ill programmed bio-electric machines brought up on falsities and fallacies. As to my disregard for education, that would be because it is now restricted, fails to properly train a mind, and leads to people like you with some seed within them that opposes logic due to the fact that you seem overly sure of your stance (which you haven‘t voiced besides trying to reject my ability to reason) which seems to just be doubt in my intelligence. My open mind is more adaptable self-teaching than yours could hope to be, and you will never achieve the rate and accuracy of thought I can hold and carry everyday. As to calling Kiota a hypocrite, I explained why, she says she is not religious and then quotes a book written on a non-factual basis, and sides often with the illogical that she believes to be true, and then she deems herself as stable minded which has not yet shown. I am plenty intelligent as I claim to be, in 3rd grade I was the average intelligence of an 8th grader, in 6th grade I got a 22 on the ACT (after scoring in the 99th percentile on standardized testing), I.Q.(142), I could easily accomplish in minutes problems that would take you an hour, and I’ve invented a few devices beyond your comprehension, so be aware of how you deem unfit to speak. Unlike you though, I don't believe any of these test to properly measure intellect, because they rarely if at all can properly measure fluid intelligence which is the most important form of it. My professors at a branch of the state university aced me because I answered questions accurately and could without missing recall anything I’ve been taught, without studying, which I’m sure is a pace of mind that would get you jumbled and confused to keep up with.
Thank you, come again.
I'm not writing a paper to be edited, I'm writing a rebuttal, so stop trying to pick at it because it threatens your way of thought.
Everything, you have done, and will do, is chemically predisposed by matter, even the fact you are reading this message. You make no choices, only perceive a given reality.
"I could easily accomplish in minutes problems that would take you an hour, and I’ve invented a few devices beyond your comprehension, so be aware of how you deem unfit to speak."
Thank you - I just laughed harder than I have in days.
I love how you talk about all your supposed scores and then say they mean nothing.
Who*, woah, I was watching TV and screwed up a word, big whoop, I guess you win?
lol, Its sad, cause your flaws give me joy too, but it's not in spelling.
Yes, the scores do mean nothing, its just a measurement in a rat race. On a planet where I compete with people a step above monkey. I'm not impressed with anything I've accomplished and neither should you be. 100 billion(estimated) stars in our galaxy, 300 billion(estimated) galaxies. You're plenty of steps in logic below plenty out there, you're just overconfident self important decaying matter(and a virus). Within a drop of time, this will be corrected.
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Everything, you have done, and will do, is chemically predisposed by matter, even the fact you are reading this message. You make no choices, only perceive a given reality.
I barely noticed your error. I wasn't laughing at that. XD
This post made me laugh quite a while too. Thank you!
To a person such as yourself.
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Everything, you have done, and will do, is chemically predisposed by matter, even the fact you are reading this message. You make no choices, only perceive a given reality.
No, your ridiculous claims about yourself are funny, as well as your tremendous ego and arrogance. It kind of gets to the point where I can't even be annoyed at it because it's just too hilarious.
so what i read from one of your other blogs lead me to believe that you where lesbian.
and now i read this one. and you think guys cant be together
isn't that a little one sided
I think you might have missed the blog just a little bit. Kiota merely offered up a possible theory for why gay sex was considered immoral/sinful and why it is still considered as such, that's all. I saw nothing in here that said she *personally* thought it was wrong. This blog was merely factual and then speculation from there.
www.progressiveu.org/blog/toriavic
Um, what? Where on earth did I say a ridiculous thing like that? Of course guys can be together, and they should be if they want!
that's just... I mean, WOW, that's insane!
and I mean that as a compliment :) most definitely.
this is certainly a theory I never would've thought of. I mean, apparently in my family I'm supposed to know the Bible reeeeally well (which, I won't lie, I don't) but I do remember looking up a couple particular spots dealing with homosexuality when the topic of homosexuality versus the Bible came up in my english class.
but really, this is a theory I never would have come up with, and I most certainly wouldn't have exactly paid attention to what all was occurring at certain points in time, like when the parts of Bible were being written.
I love reading your blog because it just makes me, well, *think*
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I like your interpretation. It was well-thought out, logical, yet sensitive to the Bible for those who believe it in it. I think you're right. Since adultery is against the Ten Commandments, of course religious leaders would try to prevent it.
~Violinstef
Hmm...That's certainly a new spin on things...I don't really know what to make of your theory. Could you give me the verse numbers for the part you're talking about so that I can read it myself? It would really help me with trying to decide how to look at your theory. (Yea, I know it's only a theory, but I like to actually have a bit of background knowledge to create a perspective on any theory that I find interesting.)
Leviticus 18:22.
I strongly recommend you read it in the original Hebrew... but you probably can't read Hebrew, so in that case I'd recommend the King James Bible, which I've found to be the most accurate of the common English translations.
Well, then, thank goodness that one church gave me a copy!
Okay, looking at the verse in context with the King James Bible, your theory not only seems plausible, it seems highly likely.
The KJV can be extremely difficult to read and the history of it is sketchy. Not that anything but the original can be truly reliable... but if you want something in present day language, check out The Message. Also, the New Revised Standard Version is pretty down to earth and doesn't add fluff or any of that. I know this isn't supposed to be about bible translations, but i'm just throwin it out there...
Peace and blessings,
-Liz
I think this is an interesting approach to a very "touchy" subject, but, in my opinion, it's not quite all there.
First, Leviticus (the book where your quote originates) was written during the 40 years that the Israelites were lost in the desert, after coming out of Egypt, not during war, conquering their nation. They hadn't even found their nation yet.
Second, women were there...enough said. :)
Third, it's not simply a "don't have sex with dudes" statement, this is God's word to Moses concerning ALL sexual relations. Including, but not limited to, don't have sex with your sister, daughter-in-law, neighbor's wife, grandkid, animals, etc...
Hope this was somewhat inciteful, haha.
Many of the laws in Leviticus and other parts of the first 5 books were designed for settled tribes, not nomadic ones. Which means they were kinda null and void until the Israelites settled in Israel. See: Leviticus 25.
Additionally, many parts of those books are not written in chronological order and, indeed, there were many wars going on before they settled. Look at... Numbers 31.
~C
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