Last week, my 13-year-old brother was in Health class, learning about Abstinece. Operation Keepsake comes to the middle school and high school students for one week a year, for seventh and tenth grade students. They talk about the risks of having sex and how the only way to avoid them is to wait until marriage to have sex. My little brother, being the intelligent young boy that he is, realized the ridiculousness of this and began asking questions. He is always getting in trouble in school for asking questions.
So, he asked the woman (who is not a licensed professional in this subject, and has no professional teaching experience) what if you never get married? She answered, saying that this was very rare and most people get married. I don't know where she gets her facts, but my mom and I pointed out to my brother that most women in the United States today were single, and fewer people are getting married now-a-days.
Then the lady asked him what he would do if he had a daughter and she was sexually active? He said that he would tell her to practice safe sex. She said "Excuse me? You'd tell her what?" He repeated himself, saying that he would tell her to make sure she was careful. Then the woman asked what he would do if she got pregnant. He said he would support and help her. The woman turned to his teacher and said, while every student including my brother could hear, "We need to work a little harder with this one."
Then my brother asked the woman, "well what if you are a homosexual" implying that they cannot legally marry (another issue in itself). The woman said she wouldn't get into that.
He also asked why they weren't learning about safe sex, and she said because abstinence keeps you from getting diseases, which is the only real reason any of them can ever give you. He said what if you get raped.
I just couldn't help but think that these are the morons who are trying to press their "bible-hugging" (as my brother called it) beliefs on our children. How can we accept that these people come into our schools, without the consent of the parents and try to brainwash them into beliveing this nonsense? I'm glad my brother spoke up when he realized that something was not right. But it's so easy to confuse these kids when they are young, and make them think like you want them to. I'm glad we were raised by educated and progressive parents, who refused to settle and allow us to settle for what we did not agree with! Does anyone else see how upsetting and ridiculous this is?
And I really wish that I could go in there and talk to these kids about safe sex and the truth about this "taboo", because I've got as much credentials as those guys that they allow to go into a SCHOOL and try to teach this BS to young students.
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Your little brother sounds like my 15 year old sister, she also gets into trouble a lot for asking questions and discrediting people's "facts". Hearing about people teaching abstinence only always upsets me, it's just another reason kids aren't prepared to go out into the real world. The only difference between a kid who learns about abstinence and a kid who learns about safe sex is that the former is more likely to get an STD or pregnant. I wish we could actually teach kids how to be safe without biblehumpers jumping down our throats.
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LOL. No thanks to abstinance...There is nothing wrong with casual sex, but being with someone you love is BEST, even when the sex is not better...It's a personal choice thing...they need to quit teaching that crap in schools...Nobody ever listens.
with abstinence, only because sex is happening at younger ages and I don't believe in abortion. HOWEVER, I know it will happen. The world is full of sin. So yes, SAFE sex (meaning condoms and what not) is good. So, I say your brother had EVERY right to ask the questions he did. If he got in trouble, that sucks. Stupid school system.
And this same progeny of evils comes from our debate, from our dissension; We are their parents and original. -- A Midsummer Night's Dream Act II, Scene I, Lines 115-117
I mean, I surely don't condone middle schoolers having sex. That's outrageous, but I think they should definitely teach safe sex along with abstinence. The trouble with the schools where I live, is that they would really emphasize abstinence. So, I'm thinking, for the younger children, you can tell them it's best not to have sex, especially at their age, but don't tell them to wait until marriage. Most kids don't care enough about sex at that age, and most don't like being told what to do.
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Good job to your brother, and props to your family, because they taught him well since obviously the school system didn't.
At my high school we had both abstinence and safe sex and people from Planned Parenthood come in. We had to sit through each one and for me it was agony. I was no longer a virgin and here were people preaching abstinance. You should have seen all the red faces in that class.
There is no reason that people should be forced to sit through that, because it's true all they do is threaten, exaggerate and brainwash.
When my sibilings' school was ready to introduce the sex-ed portion to them, the school district sent my mother a permissionslip for them to participate.
It gave an outline of the areas and methods that the teacher was going to cover. If she didn't like what they were gooing to present to them, she signed the form and they were excused from participating.
That's a good idea, and my mom said she would have taken him out of there if she knew they were going to do that, but the school doesn't give us that option, and you have to take health/sex ed in 7th and 10th grade to graduate.
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Well, this is a problem we have in our schools. Abstaining from sex unfortunately is not an option for kids. In my personal opinion, kids shouldn't be having sex because they are not ready to be parents. Careless sex yields children.
I would not pat your brother on the back and not award this arrogant behavior. Now there is a time to disagree, and a time to listen and disagree. There is no need to heckle someone who he disagrees with. A protest like this is not needed and is childish behavior. You may disagree that abstaining from sex is wrong, but you can disagree and keep quiet. Keep quiet then talk all the trash you want after the lesson.
Lets also point out that safe sex is not all what it's cracked up to be. To starts, a condom can protect you from HIV/AIDS, but even without a condom, HIV is very difficult to contract. Without going into detail, HIV is primarily a homosexual disease. Now genital warts, herpes, and many more STDS which will stick with you through life, cannot be protected by a condom, dental dam, pills, you name it. These are diseases that plague the promiscuous.
Now should you abstain from sex? Hey that's up to you. But abstaining doesn't mean giving up sex altogether. Abstaining means knowing how to control your hormones, knowing not to go to bed for that one night because it may spell disaster for your entire life. Sex is meant for those in a committed relationship. Once you know your partner, know the possible consequences of sex (which is kids), and know that you're responsible enough to handle the consequences, then really, what's wrong with taking your relationship to the next level?
Your brother and yourself truly represent what's wrong with kids today. They are arrogant, only want to do what feels good, and feels the government owes you everything. Can't you see that his behavior was childish? And yourself as an older sister, not condoning this childish behavior is even worse. Can't you see there is something very wrong about your brother careless respect for what sex is? All this Christian woman was trying to imply was that sex was more than an orgasm and should be taken seriously. And that abstinence was an option and had it's advantages. But he was too arrogant at 13 to listen. And you too arrogant to condone his behavior.
Also, how dare you accuse this woman of being a bible thumper. First of all, do you hate bible thumpers, have some type of prejudice of those who believe in a higher power? So suddenly, because she's a bible thumper, she does not have a valid point.
This woman was merely trying to express a different point of view. Her job was to teach about abstinence, not safe sex, not oral sex, not any other type of sex. That was her job. [comment edited for violation of TOS] Not knowing that there are advantages of abstinence does not make you qualified. More so, not knowing that safe sex does not mean you are protected by all STD's out there.
Grow up.
Something is very wrong.
I don't think the issue was that sex should be engaged in freely. The issue is that if children are ONLY getting abstinence education, they are losing out on the opportunity to learn about safer sex. Safer sex decreases STD rates and young pregnancies. Just telling someone not to do something will not stop them. If that was the case you could tell criminals to knock it off, and we could do away with the penal system. Research shows that abstinence programs fail, and are full of false statements that are meant to scare children in to abstinance.
"HIV is primarily a homosexual disease"
I also think your "pulled out of the air" statistic on HIV being a homosexual disease is hilarious. What is this 1985.
Thank you. I'm glad someone understood this blog and didn't just use it to rant about their opinions.
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Do you know what the word 'condone' means? Because it really doesn't seem like you do.
I would not pat your brother on the back and not award this arrogant behavior.
You should have said "I would not pat your brother on the back and award this arrogant behavior." The second 'not' is what we call a double negative, and is not proper English, and gives the sense that you would award the behavior.
Without going into detail, HIV is primarily a homosexual disease.
No, not so much. The largest population of HIV positive patients is heterosexual women, I believe. Similarly, if I remember correct, homosexual women are the group with the lowest instance of HIV. Why do you think it's such a big concern in Africa?
In many regions of the world, new HIV infections are heavily concentrated among young people (15–24 years of age). Among adults 15 years and older, young people accounted for 40% of new HIV infections in 2006.
http://data.unaids.org/pub/EpiReport/2006/2006_EpiUpdate_en.pdf
And you too arrogant to condone his behavior.
Condone means to overlook as wrong, or to support as a correct way of doing things. So she was condoning his behavior. Try not to use words you don't know the meaning to.
Not knowing that there are advantages of abstinence does not make you qualified. More so, not knowing that safe sex does not mean you are protected by all STD's out there.
Watch those 'nots' again. These last two sentences make little sense with your nots in them.
Furthermore, this is your official first warning. Don't personally attack people or you will be banned from the site. Clear?
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Abstinence does not work now a days. Today you NEED to tell kids what a condom protects you from, what it doesn't (HPV), and what to do if it breaks. Many kids don't know that if they are 18 they can get the Plan B pill for about $40 without a prescription and that the sooner you take it the better it works.
The woman as the blogger said was not qualified to teach. I think you just want to pretend that children don't know what sex is or that they want it. But they do. I remember in 7th grade girls were having sex and getting pregnant.
And hailing from the bible belt, yeah it does matter if someone is a bible thumper because they don't listen to readon. They listen to their book that is very outdated and says that women are unclean during their period, etc.
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Sex ed is taught in all schools. Safe sex is also taught in all schools more so, kids at a very young age, know that condoms are for safe sex. What isn't taught in schools is abstinence is a choice. Safer sex decreases the chances of getting STD's, but not by much. The truth of the science is that HIV is a very rare disease for heterosexuals to get period. Why? HIV cannot flow up the urethra, for one reason, and breaks in the skin of the penis, or vaginal wall are uncommon in sex. HIV/AIDS is particularly a sex of the homosexual or bisexual community. In other words, women can only get it from a man who has slept with another man. A man can only get it from sleeping with another man. For a heterosexual couple to get AIDS, it's very very rare. These are the facts...and continue to be the facts. One of my best friends has AIDS, and so does his husband. Coming straight from his mouth, he knows a lot gays who have AIDS, not one straight guy who has AIDS. It is primarily a disease which infects the gay population.
Now abstinence should always be an option. In fact, in Africa, they show abstinence to be a well thought program which is working well. It's an option that's on the table. And all it means is that it's okay to abstain from sex, and there are benefits to abstaining.
My main argument though lies with how this posters younger brother was held as a hero for heckling someone just because he disagreed with her. Hey, you can disagree with someone on stage, but there's no need to heckle someone, and more so, there's no need to encourage that type of behavior. Let whomever you disagree with them speak, and if you want the floor later to voice your opinion, do so.
Okay. How is my brother being arrogant for questioning what this woman taught? And how is it childish for him to ask questions and to speak his mind? you're childish and immature for encouraging children to keep their beliefs and opinions to themselves and gossip and trash people behind their backs. And he was in no way saying that people, especially kids his age, should be having random, casual sex. He was merely pointing out that premarital sex is not some awful thing and that there are other kinds of sex ed to teach, especially to young kids who might be having sex already. And he didn't heckle her. He simply asked her questions.
Um, also, where are you getting your facts, because AIDS doesn't discriminate and it is just as easy for heterosexuals to contract HIV as it is for homosexuals. I hate when people make up facts to support their opinions. That is such bullshit that AIDS is the "gay" disease and it makes me furious that ignorant people like you actually try to convince others that that it fact. A lot of gay people do have AIDS/HIV, and so do a lot of heterosexuals!
And I don't know if you just skimmed what I wrote or not, but I'm pretty sure that I mentioned that they only teach abstinence at this school, instead of including safe sex. When you were 12 or 13, did you know what a condom was? Because when I was that young, I'm pretty sure I barely knew what sex was, and most kids that young that I know don't understand safe sex. And I'm pretty sure when I was in seventh grade they asked us to sign a card if we believed that we should wait until marriage to have sex. It was like a personal contract, and they told us we didn't have to sign it. The point is that they may be teaching abstinence as a choice and saying that it is the only absolute safe way to not get pregnant or get an STD, but they aren't letting kids know that there are other ways to significantly reduce the risk. Safe sex does not meant every time you have random sex to use a condom. It means making good choices when it comes to having sex, which include making sure you know the other person and their medical status, regarding STDs and whatnot.
And a lot of parents these days are just like you and refuse to teach their children about sex, even thought it is a perfectly natural and okay part of life. Ugh. People like you make me so furious. Next time, read the whole blog before you bash people and things you don't even know.
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"Sex ed is taught in all schools. Safe sex is also taught in all schools more so, kids at a very young age, know that condoms are for safe sex. What isn't taught in schools is abstinence is a choice."
My school NEVER taught sex ed. Ever. They mention abstinence once.
Kids need to question. We have too many apathetic teens who don't care. Bravo to the boy for not just being spoon fed information.
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Click on this link and you will see the statistic on AIDS. First off, see that close to 60% of all men who have aids have gotten it by homosexual sex, not heterosexual sex. But over 65% of women have gotten AIDS by heterosexual sex. This is for the fact, that women have come into contact with men who have had homosexual sex. It was a conclusion that the CDC had come up with awhile back ,but censored because it wasn't PC to say this. It's very hard for a heterosexual couple who has had heterosexual partners, to contract HIV through sex. This is the fact. If you want to call it racist, then go ahead and ignore the facts.
From what you described in your thread is sounded as though your brother was being sassy and arrogant. His responses are not of a mature nature at all. And you are wrong for being proud of his actions. Do you not understand, as an adult, there is a right place to express your opinion, and a wrong place?
I'm sure if you highly disagree with your professors, you don't take it upon your initiative to combat his theories right then and there. There's no need to cause a scene, unless you love causing one.
When you preach safe sex to a someone, can you tell me where in the curriculum of safe sex it says, to try abstaining from sex? It doesn't. It teaches, you're going to have sex anyway, so do it safely. And at 13 years old, kids should not be having sex.
What's wrong with premarital sex? To me, AIDS, diseases, are not the main concern. It's bringing up a child with only one parent. What's wrong with kids having sex? It's because they are not fit to be parents. It's for the fact that some women, not all, use abortion as a form of birth control.
Personally, signing cards may be a great way to stop kids from abstaining from sex when they are younger. What's wrong with kids not having sex? I don't see anything wrong with it. And it is true. Abstaining from sex is th only way that prevents the spread of HIV, other diseases, and unwanted pregnancies...100%. That is true.
My two cents. Be a better big sister. You're condoning your brothers actions, his bad behavior.. If you don't discipline him, or set a good example, he'll probably have the same mouth at the dinner table. One filled with arrogance and backtalk.
First off, of all AID patients, 77% of them, adult and child are men. That's a fact. Other fact, of the men who have AIDS, close to 60% of them contracted AIDS through homosexual sex. 8% more if you count them who used drugs and had homosexual sex. Only 11% of the men here contracted AIDS through heterosexual sex.
Now on the other hand, women who have AIDS, over 60% contracted it through heterosexual sex. What does this stat mean?
It's very hard first of all for a man to get AIDS/HIV even from an infected woman. Very hard. But a woman can get it from an infected man rather easily, but that infected man more than likely was bisexual. So it leads us to conclude that a heterosexual couple, who only had heterosexual partners, and did not use drugs, is at a very low risk of getting AIDS, even if they never used a condom.
AIDS is primarily a homosexual disease...period.
As far as me personally attacking someone here. I just told this blogger that she was wrong for condoning her brothers actions. I didn't call her an idiot, any racial names, etc..etc... I just told her condoning it was wrong. Condoning means to overlook what was wrong, or to forgive bad behavior, or to treat as unimportant. Or it could be used in a sarcastic way to know what's wrong, yet to agree with it. Anyway, I did phrase it wrong. But I don't catch everything I write. Sometimes I miss words..etc..etc.... I don't have time to proof all my blogs. Either way, you get my point. Don't debate me on my typos, debate me on my facts and logic.
This is not a personal attack it's a personal opinion. And my opinion is that you should just stop being so sensitive.
1) Use the reply link at the bottom of a comment to respond to it.
2) You did not use condone in that context. You used it in the opposite context.
3) I edited out the part where you were attacking her. Insinuating that she did certain behaviors throughout her teenage years is personally attacking her. You don't have to call anyone a specific name to have a personal attack.
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Apparently she is saying that she has "more experience" on sex than this teacher. What does that say? This teacher is teaching sex ed, but she feels more qualified. Not because this blogger is a teacher, not because she is a trained sex counselor. But hmm...because she's had sex.
So lying down on your back doesn't make you qualified to teach sex ed in my opinion.
Read the blog again. She said she had as much credentials as the people teaching this class, and that "the woman (who is not a licensed professional in this subject, and has no professional teaching experience)" That does not imply that she thinks she's qualified because she's had sex.
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Whatever happened to free speech? Amazing...just amazing. And you call yourself progressive U? Give me a break.
So it's okay here to call George Bush a terrorist. I've seen post on here on how Fidel Castro and Cuba is the greatest thing since Jesus. I've seen people here talk about how great drugs are...
But hmm.. So she could teach this sex ed class better. She was more qualified. How was she more qualified. Because she had sex before she was married and thought nothing was bad about it. That's her qualification to her. So her qualification is her having sex.... I just called it for what it is. That's not a personal attack.
You violate the TOS, you get censored. Personal attacks are against the TOS. If you don't think my judgment was correct, e-mail the rest of the a-team, and they'll look at the case. I've already reported the instance to them.
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But I think it does. I see it one way, you see it another. What other reason would a young one say that she is more qualified to teach a sex ed class? It's a simple case of arm chair quarterbacking. We all think we can call plays better, do a better job than the pros because we've played football before once in our lives. We all yell, "I can do a better job that quarterack!" But the truth is, we can't. We think we can, but we can't. Our qualification, again, we played football before, or maybe quite often on the park, on madden.....
She is implying much more in this statement. Now this is just one man's opinion. That's all. Censor me or kicking me out for having a strong opinion, that's your opinion. That would be wrong.
No, I have to agree with mvenus (good thing I'd guess, would make sense that they made a-team)
You are taking her comment out of the context of her post, and then warping it to fit whatever comments you may have made. Saying she's had sex before does not have any evidence to back it in her post, you simply just WANT to see it that way.
Now for the actual blog post. Congrats to your brother. I am amazed and pleasantly surprised to see someone willing to ask those types of questions of an adult. Especially considering that it was a guest speaker who came and said all this.
Abstinence only has been shown not to work. However, I will not say that sex ed teaching only safe sex is the only way to go. There needs to be a program which gets the message out/emphasizes that sex is a risk. However, on top of that methods of safe sex and how to handle a sexual relationship need to be gone over and examined. Sure, encourage abstinence if you want, but it should not be the only thing taught by schools. Inevitably kids are going to have sex, and they should at least be taught how to do it "safely"
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It's okay to personally attack republicans on this board. To personally attack the Christian faith on this board. It's okay to call George Bush a terrorist, to love drugs, to preach about how Cuba is the greatest country on the planet.
But have a difference of opinion on what one writes.....and you censor them. It says a lot about this. Says a lot. Look if I get banned, I'm not going to miss this place. But I just think your rules on personal attacks are quite idiotic. Oh wait, did I hurt your feelings again?
You're still not replying to comments (click the REPLY LINK), and you're certainly not replying to them in any manner that makes sense. "I think it does" does not make any sense in the context of my statement.
The Christian faith cannot be personally attacked. It is not a person. It can be criticized, certainly, but it cannot be personally attacked. I don't have time to read through every blog on this site, but typically, all I see is the ideas of politicians being attacked. I don't read too many political blogs, though, because that doesn't interest me. And yes, people can say they love drugs and think Cuba is great all they want, because that isn't against the Terms of Use. Things that attack specific groups (blacks are stupid), specific people (Fallon is an idiot), or are harassing (continual PMs to a person that says they don't want to talk to you, for example) are all against the Terms of Use. If you don't like that, then leave the site.
You know, not even the first amendment gives you the right to say whatever you want. You can't run into a crowded theater and yell 'Fire!' and claim that you were within your rights by the first amendment. Same sort of concept applies here. We don't censor because we don't agree with you, we censor because what you said violates the terms of use you agreed to when you joined the site. You violate those terms three times, you get banned. Simple as that. I disagree with what a number of people on here say, but I don't censor them. I argue with them.
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It is not okay to personally attack anyone on this board, whether they're Republicans, Christians, atheists or astronauts. There are, however, only so many moderators, which is why there is a flag page. If someone is name calling or personally attacking and a moderator hasn't dealt with it, it is up to you to send it to us. We aren't omnipotent. Unless we come across it or someone sends it to us, we can't deal with it.
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You can agree with me, or you can disagree wtih me. That's all.
Now if you want to debate me on how to correctly phrase a sentence then go ahead. But just because I write in verse, and many times use incorrect grammar, does not make my arguement invalid.
Blogging is all about putting your opinion out there, your strong opinion. Now every so often, you may run into someone like me who strongly believes the opposite, and can back my opinion up with facts.
Our poster on here, like many of you share a very liberal progressive opinion about life which I actually consider a mental disorder. What what was once right is wrong, what was once wrong is what is right. Your moral compass is turned upside down, and you're so blinded that you can't even see it. It's sad.
Personally, in my opinion, I would never ever let my son or daughter back talk to someone who has the floor. He or she may disagree with her on many levels, but there are times to debate, and there are times to just sit down and shut up. See, for me, I believe in respecting your elders, holdig your tounge, and practicing discpline. But, you folks condone his behavior. After all, he's doing what feels right. Can you not see that he was trying to mock this educator?
Now as far my opinion on this poster telling us she got more credentials to talk about safe sex and this "taboo" than anyone they allow up there to speak. Well, what is our friends credentials? Is she a sex therapist? Does she lecture kids on safe sex quite frequently at school? No. She is a person who practices safe sex. So just becuase she has sex and knows how to slip a condom on a cucumber, makes her more qualified in her eyes. That's how I read it. Maybe she didn't mean it, but that's how I read it. I can't see it any other way how she could validate her statement unless she's Dr. Ruth or someone like that.
The poster had it right though. Kids minds are very very fragile at this age. Our television has already perverted what pure minds they've had once before. Now we're just saying, "Girls, if you want to be like Brittney or Paris, be safe." That's what its come down to. Apparently you think saying, "You know what, it's cool not to have sex as well. And there are positves to it if you wait till you get married..."
This is my opinion and I'm sticking to it...
Here are some links that prove my theory that AIDS is primarily the disease of the homosexual community. Dare to read it if you want.
http://www.amazinginfoonhomosexuals.com/bathhouse.htm
http://www.amazinginfoonhomosexuals.com/hiv_spread.htm
http://www.amazinginfoonhomosexuals.com/aids_comment.htm
I don't know where we got off the initial topic, which was, in fact, that my brother's school system only teaches abstinence, instead of both abstinence and safe sex, and that they don't have real teachers or professional teaching these things. They have college students who are abstinent and adults who have had experiences with premarital sex and we felt that it was wrong to let these people brainwash young students.
Also, you know, I have had premarital sex. So what. I've been with my boyfriend for over two years and we're already making plans for marriage, and he's the only guy that I've ever been with. But I don't think that makes me a sex expert. I was just saying that I knew just as much as these kids that were teaching in a classroom.
I'd also like to point out that, no matter what the websites that you think are credible say, HIV/AIDS is not a homosexual disease. You are not a doctor or researcher, and I know some of those people who study and work with AIDS and it is proven that any person has an equal chance of getting AIDS, although I will agree with boogersnut that it is less likely for men to contract the disease from women.
Furthermore, my brother was right, not because he attacked his teacher (which he did not, as I explained and others explained several times), but because he questioned these people's credentials and methods. He knew that he should be learning about safe sex as well as abstinence, and he had some questions that he felt needed to be answered.
Finally, this is not a blog about abstinence vs. premarital sex, it was about the failures of an education system. Thank you.
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Your brother has all the right to question any lesson taught in schools, whether it'd be on sex or the subject of English. He has all the right to be have a difference of opinion. But, from the actions you described, and from you had quoted him as saying, it sounds as though he was just another little kid being loud. And that's wrong.
Now could you teach a course as well as "these kids." You just said that you're not an expert, other than you having premarital sex. So I'm really not sure what you are implying. These kids, (if they are kids, because I'm sure they wouldn't put kids infront of a classroom to teach about abstinence), are more highly qualified to handle the education of this subject. Abstaining from sex is the only 100% sure method of preventing the spread of STD's and creating unwanted chlidbirths, thus resulting in overcrowding foster homes.
As far as safe sex goes. Truly, safe sex should be taught in the latter grades. When you are 13 years old, now is not the time to say, "Hey, by the way, here's how to put a condom on cucumber."
Know the facts on this though, and I'm going to say it again. HIV/AIDS is a disease of the homosexual community. My best friend, who is gay, has full blown AIDS, as with his husband. He is the one who informed me of this fact. He told me, and backed it up with facts, that basically you don't see straight couples, whose partners were straight, you don't see them having AIDS. Condoms wouldn't make a difference he said...and this is also according to many doctors around the world, including my gf, whose a doctor as well. Condoms don't protect you from most STD's as well. Genital warts and herpes, which are more common cannot be protected with the use of a condom. The only way to protect youself from these std's is by abstaining.....
Case closed...
"As far as safe sex goes. Truly, safe sex should be taught in the latter grades. When you are 13 years old, now is not the time to say, "Hey, by the way, here's how to put a condom on cucumber.""
I worked in a school where there were elementary school children having intercourse. Why wait to teach sex ed until 13? Why that number? How did you choose it? Also, I'm glad your friend with full blown aids gives you his "facts". One of my gay friends likes sushi, so I imagine that all gays do. I guess they have good taste.
Can you not see that in the statistics that HIV/AIDS is primarily a disease of the homosexual community? Women mostly contract it from bisexual men. I have shown you statistic after statistic, but you are blinded by what you think is politically correct.
I have nothing wrong with kids learning about sex. I think kids should learn how babies are made, and the responsibilities that come along when having sex. I do have a major problem with kids having sex, don't you? They are already oversexed by the media today. Therefore I believe we should focus our efforts on teaching abstinence. I think if we condone their sexual behavior, and don't tell them it's wrong to have sex, well...we will have more kids having kids. I just don't kids have the maturity to raise their own kid. I don't think kids have the maturity to take the pill religiously. I don't think kids have the mental capacity to slip on a condom every time they feel the moment.. Kids more, so than adults, love to do what feels good. Kids should be informed primarily that Abstinence is the 1st choice, and in many times the only choice.
Abstaining from sex is actually the more adult choice from many. I think the church and religious leaders have perverted this theory. Abstinence, true abstinence, does not preach no sex before marriage. It teaches that sex is marriage, therefore it should not be taken lightly. Have sex, you're married. You don't have to be legally married to have sex, or have the blessing of a church marriage to be given the permission to have sex. Sex is marriage....The consequences of successful sex is a family...and if you are not ready for that responsibility, then you should abstain.
But almost all schools teach some form of sex education from the grades of 7 through 12. Now sex education is about reproductive system, puberty, HIV, STDs', abstinence, birth control, abortion..etc...etc.... Now there has been a push to teach the following subjects: masturbation, anal sex, oral sex, sexual positions, multi-orgasms. Yes, there are even some individuals pushing to teach tantra in schools because they feel sex ed should not be treated much as a science, but more of a "feel good" science.
I disagree with this.
Lastly, my objection with this poster lies purely not with her stance on abstinence, but her actions as an older sister.
She is quoted as saying:
"My little brother, being the intelligent young boy that he is, realized the ridiculousness of this and began asking questions. He is always getting in trouble in school for asking questions."
Well, her little brother is always getting in trouble for asking questions. Listen, if there's one thing a teacher loves is a student who ask many intriguing questions, as no question is ever a stupid question. But why would one get in trouble for asking questions? Maybe because his questions are more of a heckling, than anything else. This form of backtalk is just not right, and condoning this type of behavior is wrong. ...in my opinion.
You can always disagree. You can be spoonfed information you don't agree with. But there is always a time to speak up, and to not speak up.
I don't see why everyone here keeps applauding this kids bad behavior? It's disrupting the classroom, making it hard for others to learn. Isn't that wrong? What if there are others that want to learn about abstinence. What about them? Or are we to give in to this disobedience and say...."Kid, job well done..." If she does this, it will just encourage him to be more distruptive in other classes..... Which apparently...he is.
So let me get this right ashestree.
Abstinence doesn't work now. So in your life, every sexual advance which was made on you, you took? Well, that just speaks miles. You've never said no. Whatever happened to women saying... no means no.
See for myself, learning to abstain, or self control, may have saved my life many times. Who knows. It, abstaining, may have saved me from creating an unwanted family. But learning to abstain is about learning self control. That's it. Nothing more. Religious movements have said that literally perverted abstinence education, tying marriage to it. They are saying that you should abstain from sex until the church says you can have sex. Which I don't agree with either.
We should teach our kids saying no, should be the 1st option, and most likely the answer to most sexual advances. I don't care what statistics say about kids having sex. I hate statistic, and want that to stop. Because, like I said before...I don't want my kids, having kids. They are not mature enough to handle the responsibility.
Personally, after dealing with 13 year olds, having some of my own, I've come to this conclusion. They are not responsible beings....they nag, yell, cry, even more so than they were born. What's worse is the backtalk. I don't think they are mature enough to be on the pill either. Kids can't even feed their rabbit everyday, do their homework everyday....and you expect kids to take the pill everyday and think responsibly? A responsible teenager is an oxymoron!!! We all know that the pill requires a religious regiment of taking pills everyday. And condom use, come on. Kids are kids..... they'll do things more in the heat of moment, they are worse than adults. Stop to put on a condom...yeah right. Many adults have a hard time doing that.
And as far as sex ed goes. Sexual eduction should be taught at home, by responsible parents. Why must we depend on a curriculum put together by politicians. Bring something this important, home to the families. If you want to teach how to put a condom on a cucumber, teach it yourself. Don't make it the responsibility of the governments. I would just be fine with my kids learning reproductive part of sex, and learning how to abstain. I'll cover safe sex when their ready....
"Kids are kids..... they'll do things more in the heat of moment, they are worse than adults. Stop to put on a condom...yeah right. Many adults have a hard time doing that."
Very true this includes HAVING SEX AT A YOUNG AGE. You are contradicting yourself and giving creedence to the arguement that abstinence does not work, and is not an answer. It is true that abstinence prevents disease and pregnancies, IF it is being practised. As you have outlined for us, 13 year olds don't look in to the future and understand consequences, this includes being in a sexual situation and stopping to say "oh yeah, the abstinence thing" Another reason that abstinence education is not succesful is that the frontal lobe, the decision making center of the brain, is not fully developed until around twenty-five years of age.
Finally you keep calling in to question the posters "credentials" to teach sex-ed. She was not implying that she had the credentials to teach it, she was implying that the instructor had not official credentials and that the class had no merit. Thus, you could put anyone without training in to the instructors position and they would do just as well or better.
You have your opinion, I have mine.
Listen I don't want kids having kids. Teaching so called safe sex, actually is not a way to prevent the transmission of most STD's. The safest way to avoid these diseases is from abstaining. It is a form of birth control though.
Now just because kids are having sex, does not mean that it's right. We should condemn this practice rather than condone it. You can give every statistic on why abstinence doesn't work. I don't care. I want my children to learn abstinence because I don't want them having sex and having babies at such a young age. There are a lot of kids drinking as well. Should we be teaching them how to drink safely or teaching them that abstaining from underage drinking is wrong. How about drugs. A lot of kids use drugs. So should we be teaching kids that using drugs is a bad idea, or should we be teaching them how to light up a joint safely.
Kids having sex is wrong. Our schools should stand up for what's right and what's wrong and have a little more backbone in their morality.
Learning the meaning of sex, the operation of sex, is completely okay in school. But to me, everything else should be taught at home. That's what parents are for. I'm not going to depend on the government to instill morals into my kids...
It's funny because most on here, don't trust the Government. But they feel a.o.k. trusting them teaching their kids about sex.....how ironic.
Nuff said.
"And as far as sex ed goes. Sexual eduction should be taught at home, by responsible parents. Why must we depend on a curriculum put together by politicians."
Wonderful idea. And in an ideal world, parents would talk to their kids. But let's face it, that conversation seldom takes place. Hence, the government steps in so kids can get facts. At my school, parents could sign something and have their kids taken out of sex-ed if they so choose.
While it does sound like your brother was being an obnoxious contrarion (like me), it's good to ask these questions, and a sex-ed class is the ideal place to ask them. Unfortunately, the teachers were caught off guard and neglected to answer the questions.
As far as teaching about safe sex, the school doesn't want to do that for very good reasons. First, safe sex is a bit of a misnomer, as several STDs can be transferred even with a condom in place. Also, condoms can tear and you know what happens from there. There is a false sense of security. School administrators do not want to deal with STD'd and pregnant students since they distract from education.