If we truly are not superior to animals in any way and homosexuality is natural, then the most obvious question is why don’t animals have homosexual sex? Actually, since the majority of animals don’t have sex for enjoyment anyway, it does not logically follow why humans do unless they are fundamentally different. The idea that homosexuality is not natural does not even fit the evolutionary tenet of survival of the fittest. If that is in fact how the human species originated, then man should only be capable of doing what is truly necessary for his survival (For the time being, I won’t even start the argument that consciousness, the mind, imagination, and our ability to grasp abstract concepts are unnecessary for survival.) How is homosexuality necessary? If survival of the fittest were true, humans would have sex in order to ensure that our species does not become extinct, not for enjoyment, and certainly not with members of the same sex since that would yield no offspring. The argument that, since there is no creator, there is no absolute standard of morality and it is therefore permissible still has some ground despite these thoughts, but the argument that it is natural contradicts the biological view of most who hold it.
Why Homosexuality Is Not Natural
By Katie Marie - Posted on March 11th, 2008
First off, there are some animals that do have homosexual sex. And dolphins i believe, are the other animal besides us that hvae sex for fun, but don' t quote me on either of those, i don't have sources.
Most animals don't have sex for enjoyment, because their thought patterns are a lot simpler than ours. They only know survival. As humans, since we have evolved, and through technology made living far easier than being in the wild, we have started to enjoy certain things. Why do we cook lavish dinners if all we need is raw meat and some bread. Because we enjoy different tastes, and want to make our meals as delicious as possible, since the struggle of getting the meal is all but gone (compared to the wild, where they have to hunt, and kill with their own paws and teeth)
So why wouldn't that transfer to sex? Why do people draw? why do people sing? why do anything but have sex, eat and hunt. Because we have evolved our brains far enough to be able to make the things we absolutely need easily attainable, so we can seek the "finer" things in life.
Homosexuality, for some people, is the filet mignon of sex. I'm assuming, since you have a computer obviously, you do not abide by the rules of just doing what is necessary. Why do you post here if all you need to do is go have sex, eat and have a kid. Hell, why do you think women don't want to be treated as mainly sex objects any more? Because we have evolved past the need for them to be.
Dolphins do have sex for fun like humans. And like everyone else said animals do have sex with other animals that are the same sex...well at least my 2 male dogs I used to have tried to.
I am here to inform and help:
http://www.progressiveu.org/032913-lupus-uncureable-wait-what
Love comments? I do too!
Animals DO engage in homosexual sex. They also have sex for pleasure (look up bonobos sometime). And animals that have bonded pairs engage in homosexual relationships that aren't sexual, like the penguins in "Tango Makes Three."
And human relationships are not just about sex.
Here's an article from National Geographic that answers many of your questions. Sometimes a quick Google search of the topic before blogging is helpful.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.ht...
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/ediblewoman
High five for independent mentions of bonobos! : D
T.k.
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Are we friends yet? I'm friending you.
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/ediblewoman
Bonding over bonobos. Only on ProU. XD
Friending you back.
T.k.
Yes! Bonobos! I smiled when I read that, I find them fascinating.
...What?
1) The "Nature" Fallacy: If it happens in other species/doesn't happen in other species, it must/must not happen in humans. This is absurd. How many animals do you see walking around in shoes and a t-shirt?
2) It's survival of the fit enough, not fittest. Think about this for a second: how many human babies survive to reproductive age? If you're in the U.S., the rate is quite high. You can't possibly argue that we all have flawless genomes.
3) Gay people can reproduce, unless they are sterile. For years they were forced to marry members of the opposite sex; now we have this shiny thing called artificial insemination.
4) If you think the cause is genetic, have you ever heard of recessive genes?
5) Homosexuality is not the only thing that might inhibit reproduction. Ever heard of other kinds of sterility?
6) Animals do have sex for reasons other than reproduction. Sex (at least in many species) feels nice, yes? Now, what are the social benefits of having someone make you feel nice? Oh, wait! I know! Close social bonds and alliances that will help keep you alive and fed. Sounds good to me. For further information, please see bonobo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo). Now THEY get around.
So...research...how about that?
T.k.
This comment is just pure awesomeness.
Read this book. It is 768 pages long.
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If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. - Anatole France
"If we truly are not superior to animals in any way and homosexuality is natural, then the most obvious question is why don’t animals have homosexual sex?"
I... what?
WHAT?
That sentence made me want to gouge my eyes out.
I could give you about a hundred different sources for reading about millions of examples of homosexual and bisexual activity in animals, ranging from sex to raising a family with a same-sex partner, but I think you already have enough sources from the commenters above.
Why do you think there's no universal morals just because there's no creator? Since when are morals dependant on a "higher being"?
How is homosexuality NOT necessary? Please, sex is NOT only for reproduction and never has been.
And who cares if it's "natural" or not? Your using a computer is unnatural. Far more than sex, and far more than love.
Judge not, lest ye be judged.
Honestly, I suggest you take an anthropology course. You'd be better versed on evolutionary theory.
Humans are the lowest of animals, according to Twain.
He wrote (in a book that wasn't published until his passing) that other animals do not exhibit jealousy or make feudal war. Dig it?
Sustainably yers, http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/green-underbelly
Letters from the Earth is definately one of my favorite books. Twain was right in some respects because animals do eexhibit jealously and make war, take chimps for example, but nonetheless I love him and that book.
Since the other aspects of your post are fully covered in the other replies, I will cover your assertion that:
"...man should only be capable of doing what is truly necessary for his survival (For the time being, I won’t even start the argument that consciousness, the mind, imagination, and our ability to grasp abstract concepts are unnecessary for survival.)"
Our mental capacities evolved because, as small, weak animals, our ancestors needed to problem solve and work together.
Our chief mental ability is problem-solving, which takes imagination, mental manipulation of physical objects, and abstract thought. Humans require these higher order thinking skills also to exit in society. They allow use to have language and to find ways to cooperate to better survive together, as a conglomeration of individuals.
Evolution does not just work on the physical body of a species, but the behavior as well.
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Putting the dolphins and other animals aside, humans have the ability to reason. If you'd really like to keep this religious, I believe God's main quarrel with the humans he created is that he gave them their own will. (That was a reference to Christianity) People do as they please.
I myself am not religious and do not agree with any religious affiliation with political discussion. From one female to another I suggest you take a look at the rights and status you have that were not around just last century. Perhaps you can keep in mind that we are in the year 2008 and times change. I don't think we have any room in this world today to judge a group by their preferences. Love has no gender.
As a matter of survival you Can say we do not need abstract thought. But in that case you will risk living an enjoyable and thought provoking life at that. Thinking you are superior to another creature is in itself an abstract thought. It is very much untrue. It is a notion we created.
I hope your opinion was just something you decided to share and not how you live your life.
I'm not claiming to know it all, but I do know that some things said are too personal to even argue. Perhaps it would have helped if your opinions were backed by information.