Now let me say this first, I am a man and not a woman. I am also a catholic and do my best to follow our beliefs. Having said this I have not been in the position where I may become pregnant (THANK YOU GOD), and for that reason I have had many women disagree with me. Well, screw you I know you dont agree with me. Abortion should become illegal in my belief because A) You are killing a child. How wold you like for a doctor to stick a needle into you and let it slowly rip your eyes, bones, and liver and lungs, and everything else into tiny pieces. If you can stand there and tell me that the baby can not feel, well then Im callin A BULL SHIT on that one. Sorry for the language but I believe that this brakes a huge part of our constitution, one shall not recieve any cruel or unusuall punishment. I dont kno what would be worse, Nazis killing baby jews by burning them alive, shooting them with cannons and what not, or being injected and killed by tearing the baby apart particle by particle. Imagine a paper cut and then imagine thousands of those at the same time. Imagine how blood curtling ur scream would be if that happen. Now imagine that in a unborn breathing human being just waiting to be given its first birthday, what is supposed to be a celebration. Point B) For all you catholics out there I would hope you kno how the church stands on abortion. IT does not exist. DO not let it happen. YOU made a mistake so live with your consequences. You did it, do not cruelly punish Gods creation. Remember he is omnipresent he knows all. Make the right choice. For rape what a hard call. Because i believe god has faith in himself and the rules he has set fourth I believe you shouldo have the baby. I will admit this would be an exception if it were up to me and not God, but I admit would have a hard time telling a rape victim no you have to have the baby. On the other hand there is adoption, but this would be a reminder of what happened to the mother. This is difficult but when all else fails look to God. PRO LIFE I STAND PROUD.
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I AM A WOMAN, AND YOU KNOW WHAT? I AGREE! MOST OF THE TIME (UNLESS SHE IS BEING RAPED) A WOMAN CONSENTS TO HAVE SEX. SO, IT IS HER DANG FAULT IF SHE DOESN'T USE BIRTH CONTROL OR ASK THE GUY TO WEAR A CONDOM! IT ISN'T THE KIDS FAULT! SO WHY SHOULD THE KID BE PUNISHED?
I AM PRO-LIFE! AND, I AM A WOMAN!
I tried to make it clear i am pro life but if a women is raped im uncertain what i would do and i am glad a woman understands thanks for letting me know
And I'm pro-choice and a woman. I don't think the government should tell me what to do with my body.
Could you not yell, please? There's no reason to use all caps online. It's bad netiquette.
To the OP, similarly... please spell out your words. There is no reason you cannot take the time to write out 'you'. And... people will take you more seriously if you do.
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Also... capitalizing I's is helpful, as well as using proper grammar.
I agree with you absolutely.
I'm a pro-choice woman.
It's not that I'm into 'killing babies', I just believe that my body is my choice.
I'm a women who has been raped, and I would never forgive myself for bringing a violent criminal's DNA into this world. I don't have to blame the child if I'm using the morning after pill or having an abortion.
Take care of your body, take care of yourself, and don't bring unwanted or unsupported children into this world.
i am sorry to hear of your misforturne truly i am. That is why i stated things right off the bat and with rape i would not know how i would feel and i respect your decesion. That is yours and i can not tell you 100 % that i could have told u not to do it. Again i am sorry.
By your logic, abortion is "murder' of a child regardless of the circumstance. Therefore, any man who determines he likes what he sees and wants to further his DNA through the vessel of a woman's body is welcome to do so, because she will be forces to go through with the pregnancy. Forget jail; he's got a living legacy via his victim.
I do believe abortion is wrong and I am pro life. Rape cases are a huge deal though and I am on the fence with which way to lean for them. I believe that they should have the child AS LONG AS they will be able to live with themselves. But I also believe that rape victims should be the sole owners of choice when it comes to abortion becuase it is not their fault they were raped, but I believe they should be required to wait a mandatory amount of time after the rape occured so as to prevent a hasty choice. I do have a hard time condemning the fate of a rape woman to having a child, so for her I believe she should have the child, but I will understand her choice if she choses against having it.
That's a little hypocritical.
Abortion is either wrong, based on your beliefs, or it isn't. There should be not any leeway due to circumstance. Otherwise, I could say, wow I was emotionally forced into this relationship so I had unprotected sex, but I wasn't raped per se, and it would still be O.K. to have an abortion because I didn't WANT the baby.
There's a line to draw for personal responsibility, and you have to decide where you stand. Otherwise, you are catering to politically correctness.
Any psychologist will tell you that 90% of all violent criminals come from broken homes, so I totally agree with you Katie.
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After reading your other blog [Big Pimpin: Why do Guys Cheat on Girls] and seeing that you identify as Catholic, I can't help but ask....
Isn't marriage [and thus monogamy] one of the seven Holy Sacraments to salvation?
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What's the worst that could happen, apart from all of us being flattened or fried or whatever bombs do? [Rudy Steiner from The Book Thief]
Accidents happen, guys.
People want to have sex for reasons more than procreation. It's more than just animalistic pleasure, too--it's a deep emotional connection with your significant other.
Sometimes people don't plan on having babies. They take all the necessary precautions and things go awry anyway.
Is it worth it to have a child born into an unstable home environment, and shatter two young people's lives because of an accident? In all seriousness, if you got raped by some crazy dude in an alley, you would be completely alright with fathering that despicable man's child?
Maybe a potentially born child deserves more than that. Who knows.
As a woman I do agree that abortion should be illegal to some sort of point unless a woman is raped but then again the person that is raped has the right to choose whether or not go keep the child unless they don't feel comfortable keeping the child or are not ready. I am also a religious person of the LDS church and we also believe that abortion isn't supported. Thanks for expressing your opinion.
But I agree with you.
I am also Catholic, but it is just my moral belief that abortion is wrong no matter what the case is.
But realistically speaking it should be left up to the states that way mass hysteria doesn't come upon the US...
But I agree with ya brother! Its good to see a man standing up for something so controversial amongst us women!
I was unable to finish reading, because your spelling and punctuation invalidated your opinion. If you want to be taken seriously, get serious about seeming intelligent.
I would debate you on this, but you've obviously made up your mind and you're unwilling to just exist and allow others to do the same.
Point being: I'm a guy and pro-choice. While I do not think abortion is completely necessary in every case, it is for some and should be used and available accordingly.
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I understand why you are pro-life, but I am personally pro-choice especially in the case of rape. You cannot expect a woman who is forced to procreate with a man who believed it was his right to use her body as a tool for his pleasure to raise/birth his child. I believe that bringing a child into this world that you are not ready to take care of is wrong. Even if you do put the child up for adoption, there is always the case of identity crisis and then that child wondering why his mother did not want him.
Also, if all abortions were illegal, many women would die. There are some women who HAVE to have abortions or else they will die. This is a problem in a lot of African countries where no matter the circumstance, abortions are illegal.
I believe that abortions should not be used as a form of birth control and that a women should be as careful as possible to not get pregnant, but I cannot support making all abortions illegal.
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I found your post particularly sick and disgusting. Graphic descriptions of what you think the process of aborting a fetus is like does not help you argument in the slightest. I could just as easily give a disgustingly graphic description of a person having colon polyps surgically removed, but that shouldn't dissuade someone from having the procedure done.
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Thats how I found it when I read the description in a book, of how the child is slowly torn apart. This is a terrible thing to do to a human being as you have admitted, which is why I am pro life. I think many people forget what abortions actually do to the child(fetus) as many people prefer to call an unborn child, and therefore subconsciencesly talk themselves into believing abortions do not harm a child. ABORTION is ending an unborn child's life no matter the reason and I would only wish that more people would consider this. I am not saying that you should never have an abortion but rather, only if it is truly what is believed to be the only neccesarry action in a sad and tragic case, such as rape or a still born child threatening a mother to be's well being.
A fetus is not a child. A child is born, a fetus is not. It is an important distinction. A blob of cells is not a child. A sea monkey-looking embryo is not a child. An abortion destroys a potential human life, which is another important distinction. A fertilized egg wll only potentially become newborn child, and that's "naturally", without any intervention.
You say every fetus is important because it's a human life, but I have this hunch that you are for the death penalty and war, which also destroy human life.
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I am for your information against both war and the death penalty. I believe that sitting in a jail cell and rotting for 50 years will be more punishment than instant death by injection, which I also believe brakes our Constitution. Also in remark to a fetus, the fetus has been proven by scientists around the nation as having nerve ending, thus meaning that they can feel and sense what happens to being. Just because a "glob" of a child as you call it is not entirely formed, does not mean it can not feel. Because it is incomplete does not mean it has no nerves. That is like saying a human with no hand can not feel because his body is incomplete or a chicken on its way to hatching can not feel if u crush its shell because it is not born. Its a one way road, once life is created its should not be destroyed without a good reason, and personifying it as not feeling the ripping and tearing is just a feel good measure to make abortion seem ok.
I actually said "blob", but "glob" works too I guess. I never said a fetus was "incomplete", although it isn't fully developed, which I feel you fail to grasp. I also never said it didn't have nerve cells, but then again so do chickens and fish, but we kill them. I don't think the fact that a fetus, at some point in development, can eventually feel pain is very compelling. Whether it has consciousness is the better question. During most of development, I think we can both agree, a fetus doesn't have consciousness.
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If it has a consciousness is a good point. So you are saying if somthing has a consciousness of what is going around them is key to whether or not it is ok to kill. Let me present to scenarios where this comes into play then.
A) A child who has mental problems and has no idea what is goin on around him and does not have enough of a consciousness to realize whether or not a shot of heroin or puff of maryjane could kill whether administered by someone else is not murder. Say a retarded (for lack of a nicer term sorry) kid is killed but didnt realize what was going, only he could feel the pain that was happening. So does it make it ok to kill the kid who is without a clear consciousness of what is going on.
B) A murderer can kill without a consciousness. Is it ok for him to do so because he has nerves but does not realize what he is doing. Its still murder whether blinded by rage or somthing else and his consciousness should not come into play.
By saying this a child regardless of consciousness should have their unalienable human rights protected whether its a fetus or a born child because pain is pain no matter if the person of the recieving end has a consciousness or not to realize what is happening to them.
I think you're mixing up "consciousness" and "conscience". A murderer may not have a "conscience", but its a fetus that doesn't have "consciousness".
"Consciousness" is defined, basically, as "awareness that you exist". I think a mentally retarded child is aware of his own existence and therefore has consciousness. So, it wouldn't be cool to kill him. People in vegetative states, on the other hand, don't have consciousness and so it morally permissible to kill them.
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mentally retarded children sometimes have no idea where they are and who they are with as well as who their friends are
along those lines elderly people who have alzheimers also have this problem and often do not know who they are or what time period it is, so killing them would also be comparable to killing a fetus in reference to state of mind, although i can see how people could get try and agrue that a fetus has no consciousness it does not matter to me if they can feel the pain, because if thats the case when is a born child actually aware that they are in existence because i can even remember the first time i had consciousness and i am sure you can not either so if you were killed at birth by a shot i do not think it is any different with an argument of consciousnesses
Mentally retarded people and people with Alzheimer's do have consciousness. They are aware that they exist.
Not that this matters to you, but it can and has been argued that newborn infants don't even have consciousness. I'm not so cool with the whole infanticide thing. I personally believe birth is the morally significant point at which a fetus becomes a person. But even if a fetus is considered a person with rights, it can still be argued that its morally permissible to kill them.
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What is morally right to you and me is completely different because moralls are born within how a person is raised and do not mean or equal the same in all human beings.
Just because you have nerve cells (and nerves) doesn't mean that you can feel pain. Those who have spinal injuries, and are paralyzed at some point, still have nerves in whatever parts they have no feeling in.
Similarly, a developing fetus may have nerves, but without a brain to process the information coming from the nerves, it cannot feel pain. This is what you have to wait for, not just the development of nerves.
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I am for your information against both war and the death penalty. I believe that sitting in a jail cell and rotting for 50 years will be more punishment than instant death by injection, which I also believe brakes our Constitution. Also in remark to a fetus, the fetus has been proven by scientists around the nation as having nerve ending, thus meaning that they can feel and sense what happens to being. Just because a "glob" of a child as you call it is not entirely formed, does not mean it can not feel. Because it is incomplete does not mean it has no nerves. That is like saying a human with no hand can not feel because his body is incomplete or a chicken on its way to hatching can not feel if u crush its shell because it is not born. Its a one way road, once life is created its should not be destroyed without a good reason, and personifying it as not feeling the ripping and tearing is just a feel good measure to make abortion seem ok.
Please demonstrate where in the Constitution it is stipulated that capital punishment or lifelong incarceration is a) a federal responsibility as opposed to state, and b) "breaks" the sacred bounds of our nation.
Some people consider taking away someones life by death of injection or any other means to be "cruel and unusual punishments" and that is directly prohibited in the constitution. Look at how many times they had to reexamine how an inmate was killed, public hangings, electricution, gas chamber, and I am sure there are more. Who is to say in 20 years lethal injection will also have to be removed from the possiblity of death, due to the above state cruel and unusual punishment clause. Also I am in favor of life in prison, without visitors or parole, inorder to live out life thinking about the crime they committed and do not believe that this is a cruel and unusual punishment. By the way its in the Bill of Rights for your information or the first 10 amendments.
Please provide an exact reference quoting from the source as opposed to a rambling monologue.
Thank you.
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This is all up for interpretation. My opinion, is that it's a cruel and unusual punishment to taxpayers when the government expects society to fund the lifelong incarceration of violence criminals. Furthermore, I think it's cruel and unusual punishment for the families of the victims for them to have to know that a criminal who raped and/or murdered their child is still alive and therefore capable or harming other members of society in the future.
There is a point when a homo sapien lacks humanity, and rehabilitation is a sick joke. When this line is crossed, capital punishment is necessary for the good of society.
ok thanks for making it more clear what you wanted, and i wasnt trying to get more points my computer just locked up so thats why there is twice as many of the same comment
People prefer to call it a fetus because that is the medical term for it. It is not a child until it leaves the womb. It's a zygote, a blastocyst, an embryo, and a fetus before that, depending on the stage of development.
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I do understand the need for specific terms but at the same rate, I am calling it as I see and now how some scientist in a lab defines the human life form.
First, in your original blog, you said that a baby getting aborted, technically a fetus, gets its "eyes, bones, and liver and lungs," ripped out...however, when women get an abortion, they tend to get it between 5-11 weeks, still in the fetus stage, and all those physical characteristics you described aren't even formed yet. Then you go to say, later on in one of your replies that a baby is incomplete with a nervous system, so you seem to be contradicting yourself.
And as to your idea of an abortion killing a baby....a fetus has been scientifically proven to be nothing more than what a tadpole physically is. They may feel something but they have no mind to actually understand anything, so its no different than killing a tadpole.
Also, about your statement that old people with alzheimers or that mentally challenged people have just as much consciousness as a fetus...well, I don't know if you've ever been around either of these kinds of people but I have had one of each in my family and I can tell you for a fact, that although they may not understand mentally who we are or what's going on, they definitely have much much more consciousness than an incomplete fetus. Although an old man with alzheimers may not remember who he is or anything about his life he definitely knows he exists, and killing him would be murder. I have helped teach and have dealt with many mentally challenged people and although they have mental disorders, they have some type of intelligence and they understand the world in some odd way, A fetus has no knowledge of this world, has no mind to even process knowledge yet, and is no more intelligent than a chicken (who has little to no intelligence).
And to tell you the truth, its very insulting when you say that alzheimers victims and mentally challenged people have no consciousness and that they are no better than a fetus.
Sorry, but I think you have the wrong idea. I was using those circumstances to demonstrate that just because the objects( for lack of a better term in referring to fetuses and aforementioned circumstances) do have a determined mental state, and it is, and SHOULD be a crime to kill them, thus proving my argument. You say a fetus has no feelings or no sonsciousness but in reality it has all the parts to have one, so unless you are that fetus you can not say without a doubt it can not feel pain. And I was not saying that they consciousness was equal to eachother I was referring to the state of their minds, in which some cases they do not recognize where they are and who they are but can IN FACT FEEL PAIN. I do know how it is because my grandmother died with alzheimers.