Something that drives me mad, and something that I am really passionate about is learning and truthseeking. You could call me one of them, too--a truthseeker. I actually do want to know the absolute truth of things. Of everything, in fact. There are many like me, but there are also many who pretend to be like me.
These people are, unfortunately, raping everything I stand for with itself--knowledge and logic, mainly. These people are so interested in satisfying themselves and their egos, whether they realize it or not, that they mutilate and distort everything I stand for just so they can be right. To be wrong is a mortal sin to them, and they will fight tooth, claw, and tongue to avoid admitting that they could possibly be wrong. It's obviously the other person's fault! It's obviously that they're too stupid to see my side of the argument! I'm right! I'm right! I can't be wrong! I'm right! It's your fault!
I don't approve of namecalling, but I namecall the way it is: if you're guilty of this and you do not decide to change your ways, you are the lowliest piece of pseudo-intellectual scum in my eyes, and my vocabulary cannot even begin to fathom words filthy enough for my abhorrence and loathing.
That said, of course, most of you aren't aware of it. A lot of you won't care--the point of this blog will be completely lost upon you, as that's the way things usually go (humans are incredibly, incredibly prone to "cosmic irony", which usually isn't so much cosmic as them being silly). Even so, I'll try my absolute best to deliver my point.
We have too many people arguing and debating. Your "debate" to me is blatantly hostile and has the intent to kill drenched over it like a piece of wood being dunked into a vat of ugly. People obviously don't see that they're trying to win--or maybe they do. Unfortunately, it's this mindset that brings up hostility and disrest in the community, and between persons. I don't think I have ever, ever once seen someone concede to another's point gracefully and entirely, even when obviously wrong--they would often pass it off with some extra excuse ("Well, I'm not entirely wrong") or half-hearted acceptance ("Ehhh, okay, whatever you say...").
Honestly, do we seem like a community that's trying to advance itself? At best, we're a bunch of savages with our words at each others' throats, trying to prove our point aggressively for the sake of one filthy thing: being right. There is nothing so disgraceful in the realm of knowledge--even the more logically and reasonably inclined people, even so articulate and sensible as they are, are trying to prove their point right. These people have no excuse, these people acquainted with the scientific method, for their behavior! A premise of the scientific method is that you never try to prove a hypothesis right--you try to confirm it or disqualify it. It's not about being right--it's about discovering the truth.
In this, there is no need to attack or act defensively or hold on to your beliefs so tightly. After all, we're working on discovering what works best, what is best for everyone--not what you think is best for everyone because the idea that it's your idea tickles your fancy. If you're wrong--let it go. It's silly to be wrong for any longer than one instant--the moment you realize you're wrong. I assure you with all my heart, no burly man is going to break your door down, crawl out of your closet, or climb in your window and crack his knuckles and say, "OHHH, YOU WERE WRONG? YOU'VE BEEN A BAAAAD BOY/GIRL, (your name)." I swear on my eventual grave.
Of course, it's also hard to hold your beliefs at an arm's length. The problem is that not everyone is a truthseeker--not everyone is willing to suspend who they are and their main beliefs, just to see the bigger picture. However, you're in a world with six and a half billion people (and growing). You have to be able to understand other people's viewpoints, and be able to suspend your own long enough to consider theirs seriously. This goes for all people of all religions and beliefs, no matter your belief on life after death, aliens, abortion, or the meaning of life. It doesn't matter. If you're not willing to put aside your own beliefs for one moment to look at the bigger picture--get off of the playing field. This is not a land for you--perhaps you shouldn't even be talking to people with different opinions.
Then again, maybe we should just slap you. If we didn't, you might start the next Crusade because of your insistence on their ignorance, your arrogant presumption that you know the absolute truth (and boy, do you sure love to mouth off that truth), that God is on your side--you know. This also applies to the atheists who believe that the God-believers are insane, deluded, and misguided. They must have some reason for believing in it--so don't bash it. Granted, some of their beliefs might be a little skewed--but it's all down on paper, not on life. I believe there's something behind it--and I don't believe that writing will tell us anything close to the reality. That's up to us to find out.
Remember: Life is interpretation, words and logic are mental constructs, mental constructs are of the mind, and the mind is imperfect. The Golden Rule reigns supreme, and you should treat your fellow man and woman with love. With this kind of acting out and self-important egotism, it's no wonder where we are now in the world. We're too busy being right to actually see the big picture, and finally be right.
But! Let's narrow it down to ProgressiveU: what can we do right here, right now, as members and most importantly, human beings? First off--we can all get off our high horses. We can stop trying to be right, and instead find the best solution for all of us, together--that's what we're here for, right? We can put aside our biases and experiences and carefully judge--we can put down all the cards, not just what we want to play on--we can put our personal motives aside and work as ONE brain, not to prove ourselves--but to find the truth.
Let's not argue about things that are redundant and unimportant. Racism? Yeah, we get it, it's bad. Low pants? Yeah, they're stupid. Rap? SOME of it's okay--most of it is mainstream and is degrading and negatively impacting our young and incurably stupid children (oh, come on, you know it's true). Next! These are extremely obvious problems.
Here's some facts based on simple morality that hopefully every human knows:
We deserve and have freedom of speech and expression to the point that it doesn't become inconveniencing to another person--which means we also have the freedom to listen to what we want
No person has the right to take another person's life, or limit their freedom of expression (but this does not mean they cannot fight for their own freedom of peace).
Now, something that infinitely complicates all matters with criminals:
All people can be redeemed and rehabilitated (though of course some need outstanding circumstances to do so).
Most of our problems of racism, discrimination and hatred in general roots from a misunderstanding in basic morals and feelings, or whatever illogical fear or distrust of it. For some, it's merely an unconscious reaction from being raised in a society that is that way--bred by what? I don't know--and can be snapped out of it with a rousing speech or lecture. Some have actually been hurt and damaged, and need a helping hand--that's where it's every person's duty to give a helping hand. We need to start fixing the cause, not the effect of our condition.
Why don't we start researching how we can start fixing people, as opposed to society? How do you expect to fix everybody at once? Especially, how do you expect to help with the way we've all been acting?
It's time to grow up, folks. Stretch your legs, your arms, your fingers--and start typing some real blogs. And for the love of all you hold dear, stop bickering.




Stretching.
Thank you for this; I just read Fallon's post on a similar issue and this coincides nicely.
Now it just needs to be read by the masses, old and new members, good and bad writers, arguers and those who debate with knowledge and intent.
Thanks again.
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I'll admit it. I like to be right and sometimes that affects how I argue and sometimes makes me unaccepting of the truth. But I would like to think that I am mostly open to changing my view if I'm proven wrong. I may not do it right away, but give it some time and it might sink in.
You've got some really good points. Too bad humans do have to argue about everything. If people could share ideas without fighting, I'm all for it. Unfortunately, I'm afraid that it's part of my personality to fight to be right. And I'm afraid that it's part of most people's as well.
Yeah, I know. It was bred into me, too. I had to work it out of my system.
I think that it roots from the way American society is built--the American society, thriving and trying to be the best, to win--the "rewards system" based around being "right", making "the big time", etc., etc., probably doesn't help much with this problem either. I don't think it's an inbred personality trait--simply a side-effect of a mad society.
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You have a good writing style, witty and engaging. I liked how you developed your points and especially enjoyed the solutions you provided at the end, although I would say society can be an excellent tool for helping or "fixing" people, and that if it is screwed up, it will keep turning out screwed up people; it's more efficient in my mind to tune up a machine and deal with the occasional messed up product rather than forget about the machine and focus on every single product being defective.
You are right, argument is supposed to be a method by which people state their points in the pursuit of truth. Arguments may result in each side sticking to their opinions, but should not result in hostility or a condescending attitude, as people are entitled to their opinions and you can rarely, if ever, be absolutely sure that you are correct.
I like the point you made about people being willing to examine their own beliefs. One of the things that has started to make my skin crawl are accusations of political candidates being flip-floppers. Emerson believed it was key to re-evaluate your values and beliefs and not be afraid to make a complete change. We should admire people for seeing the error of their ways rather than portraying them negatively for not sticking by an opinion forever. I think it's the fact that voters want absolutes, and when candidates show that they can have epiphanies and change, this throws people off of their certainty about candidates. I believe this is the reason why we need more political parties; then we would essentially vote for an ideology and the ideology wouldn't change much. As long as we vote for people, they are always going to have to portray themselves as steadfast and stubborn. And that is a sad, sad reality to me.
Can I still be an asshole? Because if I stop, people will say I don't discriminate against Progressive U'ers and then I'll be discriminatory, which is wrong. lol, logical question, because I can and like to be an asshole for the sake of it.
Sure, just be a logical asshole like in your above comment, and don't resort to petty elementary school-level name calling.
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But petty elementary name calling is logical, I just use it when others are being petty and well, I don't want to load their brains with too much smart-assholeness.
I like the signature at the end, lol.
Good blog.
Only one alteration: There are 6 billion people in the world... not 6 million.
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I'll rape knowledge and truth if I damn well please!! Don't try and tell me otherwise!
I can agree with you on most points. I've got one issue, though. Everyone thinks that the point they are arguing is right. Obviously. I am willing to be proved wrong about what I think is right, but that can't happen, or isn't likely to happen, if I don't say this is what I think is right and here's why. It is also possible that the person on the opposing side be convinced that I am right and they are wrong (unlikely) and that would have happened from them doing the same thing that I am. Take my gun control debate with Lancekates. If I hadn't made the assertion that I was right, I would not have had the argument where I was, I felt, proved wrong.
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In a way poor behavior in a debate is its own solution. It drives people away from agreeing with the worst violators. That seems just to me.
Some people here are willing to discuss their disagreements, and come to some agreement where there appeared to be none originaly. The fundamental Left vs. Right ; Right to life vs. right to choose ; Religion vs. Ateism topics are not as black and white as they seem. The two sides rarely change, but a good argument reveals some of the usually ignored subtlties of either side. The format of this site is especially refreshing in these type debates. Remenber there are readers that look and don't participate. They are often the ones whos opinions are being formed. Just because the two sides leave uneffected does not mean no one gained anything.
I like this site. Maybe I'm too new to see how nice it used to be, but it is still worthwhile now.
My apologies to any I have offended or bored. I am a bit relentless and am aware that I occasionaly 'flog a dead horse.'