First of all, homosexual and bisexual activity was very common before the Christ God ever came around, especially in ancient Greece. Some societies looked down upon it, but it wasn’t until the rapid spread of Christianity that homo and bisexuality was really seen as something terrible. Many historical figures of our times to include; Socrates, Michelangelo, Donatello, Alexander the Great and many others were said to have had sexual relations with people of the same sex. That doesn’t make it right or wrong to say the least, but it just goes to show that this isn’t something new that we’re dealing with today.
These practices have been going on all over the world and are still very much accepted in many places. When I was stationed in the Republic of South Korea, it was nothing to see guys walking around holding hands and whatnot. It was said that many men there in Korea usually had sexual relations with their best friends until it was time for them to marry. And then, the men would still remain friends, but they would no longer be “sexual” friends. I’ve heard that this still happens in many societies today.
For those of you (religious Right) who say “God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve”, I must ask; what is your explanation when it comes to the animal kingdom? There are many species (especially social species) of animals that engage in same-sex activities / relations. Some of those include certain species of birds, beetles, sheep, fruit bats, dolphins, monkeys, orangutans and many others. This discovery tells me that homo and bisexuality isn’t always a decision. The fact that homosexuality is found in the animal kingdom tells me that it is very possible that many people are born that way. Of course I believe that some people do indeed make the decision to be gay, but not 100% of the time. As well documented as homosexuality is in the animal kingdom; does it not make you wonder why God would create such animals? I mean what would be the point? Did God actually create gay or bisexual animals, but not intend for humans to be that way? I find that hard to believe and being that these animals do exist; then why is it so hard for people to accept homo and bisexual men and women?
I read an article, which stated that the Bonobo African Ape (which is very closely related to humans) has nonreproductive sex 75% of the time and almost all Bonobo Apes are bisexual. Another one worth mentioning are male dolphin calves. When dolphins are young, they are known to form temporary relationships (sexual) with other male dolphins. These relationships most of the time turn out to be lifelong friendships or bonds.
We as a society must get over the fact that not everyone makes the decision to become gay or bisexual and that it may just be the way they were born. The mere fact that homo and bisexuality exists in the animal kingdom should be more than enough proof that some people are just born that way.
Cases of animal homosexuality are now being brought into the court rooms to fight against states that ban gay marriage and whatnot. I’m not gay and obviously not Christian, but I hope that the animal kingdom will continue to be there to provide proof and to help the gay communities get what they deserve…their rights!
Tabias-
• 
• 
• 
• 
• 
I definitely always felt gay since my earliest consciousness.
I have a remarkably clear memory of early childhood, which means that I remember being cognizant of my sexual orientation even in kindergarten. Even at that age, I was taking mental notes and making a deal with myself that I had to keep it secret because it seemed as if I was the only person in the entire world who understood the phenomenon. I wished at that age that there was someone else in the world who had this same trait, because it felt lonely to think I was the only one, and kids that age want so badly to fit in with a crowd.
It was also absolutely clear to me that there was no way in a million years I would be capable of being heterosexual.
It took me a long time to get over that early self training in secrecy. It was only much later after I met friends who were open minded that I started telling the truth, and life was so much better ever since that day.
The idea that I was born gay, for whatever reason it may have been (genes, in utero chemical influences, position in the womb, or whatever}, matches up with my life experience.
However, I don`t think it should matter in regards to whether I have human rights. I should have that, like everyone else, for being human,
I didn`t choose to be gay, but IF I could have, it would have been a perfectly good choice to make and at this point, I love my life being gay.
No Christian has to prove he was born Christian in order to have the right to hold a job. No left handed person has to prove a left handed gene (which still hasn`t been identified} in order to get a marriage license. No brown eyed person has to prove he was born with brown eyes to be allowed a position in the military.
I think the reason that people who imagine we just decide to be gay are also the same ones who attack our rights has mostly to do with the fact that those are just the people who don`t understand the concept s of sexuality very well.
Once again my friend, you have misquoted Christianity and might be brazen enough to claim that you know anything about Christianity. You've spoken as usual without proof. Nothing in the bible claims homosexuality was not a sin "before the Christ God ever came around" like you would make us believe (even without a proof). As a matter of fact the bible documents homosexuality as far back as nearly 6000 years ago.
Gen. 19: 3-8
"I like the dream of the future better than the history of the past."
I know what the bible says against homosexuality; Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." You just misunderstood what I said. I did not mean that the bible ever accepted homo or bisexuality. I meant that many places around the world accepted homo and bisexuality before Christianity took off. It was Christianity that made homo and bisexuality out to be such a bad thing.
Also, I didn't quote anything from the bible, so don't say that I was miss quoting anything when I didn't! I know more about Christianity and the bible than you could probably ever imagine. Believe me, I want to forget, but I can't. It also comes in handy when dealing with people like you.
I use to be a Christian and when I was I wasn't like most Christians you find these days. You know the ones I'm talking about, don't you? The Christians who claim to be Christian, but know nothing about the bible and are only "Christian" on Sunday morning. Is that you? Or are you one of those who only go to church on Christmas and Easter?
Tabias-
Donation made to the Unfair Vote Fund.
Thank you for sharing these studies. Do you have links?
Here's a couple of the links that I visited when researching this topic.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.ht...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality
Tabias-
Hey thanks!
The National Geographic article was great - I thought the passage about the male flamingos adopting foster chicks was particularly interesting.
Unfortunately, I didn't really like the ending, where they talked about homosexuality being "a stage of life." I'm not sure that's true in humans; from what I've observed in real life and real on ProU it's not the norm.
My mother-in-law runs a daycare out of her home. There's a kid there that is either 6 or 7 years old who already seems to be gay. Not really in a sexual way, but just the way he acts. He is interested in all things girly, always ask to carry his mom's purse when they're out and about, etc. I've even met the parents and they both seem perfectly straight. I thought that the father might be a bit on the feminine side, but that wasn't the case at all. This was probably one of the situations that I've personally witnessed that told me that people are indeed born homo and/or bisexual.
Tabias-
Well, there's a difference between being effeminate and homosexual. He might just be emasculated, you really won't know until he hits puberty. It would be interesting to follow him (in a study-sort of situation) through his life.
I agree and yes it would be interesting to see how this child turns out later in life.
Tabias-
While some people get very angry at the fundamentalists, I cannot help but to easily shrug off their behavior. They are no different from the fundamentalists who used the Bible to oppose interracial marriages some 50 years ago.
Until Science catches up with society, all people have are their opinions. I, myself, tend to believe that the environment shapes everything about a human being. I'd like to believe that our mind was created blank and our personalities shaped by our surroundings. Even in the womb, we're being exposed to different tastes and sounds that influences our behavior. Once a preference or trait is formed, it only strengthens.
I am not a homosexual but I am a Christian. However, I am also a Christian living in the year 2007 and not a Christian influenced by any organized religion. God created and loves all of us. Why is it so hard for us to return the favor?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"When great changes occur in history, when great principles are involved, as a rule the majority are wrong." ~Eugene V. Debs
First off I don't get why people care so much about who is sleeping with who so: a) if its consented between 2 adults, s.s, and all that...then its none of your business in the first place and b) people who put so much energy into stuff like this (trying to stop it or whatnot) instead of focusing on more important issues...need to get a fucking life. I personally don't care, it's not hurting me or society... :P
-----------------------------------------------------
"Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings."