How was mankind created? Did we come from Adam and Eve? Or did we evolve from monkeys? Florida was debating whether or not to teach evolution in school. Many people believe that the school system should not interfere with the belief of creationism. Many religious people argued that if evolution was taught then students would question the existence of God. Also, the same people commented that evolution would confuse the students that grew up believing in creationism. On the other hand, those in favor of teaching evolution said that the school board cannot argue with science. "Science has proven that we evolved from monkeys." one parent said. Then we have those who say neither should be taught in school. "Florida's State Board of Education has voted to use the term 'scientific theory of evolution' in new science standards" according to myfoxtampabay.com, "the first time the word 'evolution' has been included." I asked my parents which method they preferred. To my surprise they both chose creationism. They said that creationism is what I was taught as a child. Which method do you prefer? Which method were you taught as a child?
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In school we were always taught evolution...the only stipulation was that the teacher had to make mention that some people believed in creationism, but they didn't even have to explain what it was....I personally think both sides should get equal attention this way the secular and religious are getting equal attention...no student will feel like their beliefs are being challenged in the classroom and it gives students an opportunity to hear both sides of the story and make their own decision on what they believe or if they want to change their beliefs.
But do you think that creation belongs in a science class? It isn't science. No form of it that even claims to be science is a sucessful theory. And, really, what is there to teach? Many people believe in a god or deity of some sort that create the Universe. Then, either they go into all the myths or none of them. Creation Stories sounds like it would make a fun class, maybe.
But schools have no business offering any form of Creation as a scientific alternative to evolution, because, scientifically speaking, Creation doesn't hold water.
"Don't blame me. I voted for Kodos."
Homer Simpson
yes...I do think it belongs in science class...we talk about the great awakening in social studies...and we talk about souls and religious stuff in other classes...I just think as educators both sides need to be taught...it's not like the teacher has to advocate one side or the other
But, it's not science.... There's nothing scientific about creationism. If you want to consider it a scientific theory, then it's a bad one, seeing as evidence against it is overwhelming.
The reason the great awakening is talked about in history (social studies, or whatever you want to call it) is because it is history. I don't know what classes you're talking about religion and souls, but might I hazard a guess and say Lit? The difference between those and science is that religion and soul and whatever has relevance in history and literature or whatever. It does not have relavance in science and will continue to not have relavance in science unless someone actually provides evidence supporting it.
As for "teaching the controversy" the problem is, that there isn't one, at least not scientifically speaking. It's like saying that history teachers should talk about the possibility that the holocaust didn't happen because there are people who deny it.
"Don't blame me. I voted for Kodos."
Homer Simpson
no I agree that it's not exactly science..but when there isn't a class on faith in most public high schools this is the closest class to put it in...and the evidence obviously isn't all that strong or so many people wouldn't have so much faith in creation...they would realize how untrue it was.but they haven't so it obviously has some grounds for belief
If something doesn't fit into any particular class, the answer is not to shove it into another class.
And, actually, the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of evolution, but many people either don't know, don't understand, have been told misconstrued versions of evolution, or refuse to believe it because it contradicts their strongly held religious beliefs. The grounds for beliefs in Creationism is a holy book of some sort. For some, this is very strong grounds for belief. In science, it is very weak grounds for belief, especially in light of large ammounts of contradicting evidence.
"Don't blame me. I voted for Kodos."
Homer Simpson
It would be nice if we could see your opinion in that post, too...
And, why not both? Adam and Eve evolved from apes, we are descended from Adam and Eve. It even fits the bible.
I myself don't know what to believe. I believe in what I can see. On one hand I have God and the Bible. On the other hand I have science and 'proven facts.'
If you want to believe in what you cant sense, and what doesn't make sense.. then you mine as well jump off the house like peter pan*but don't forget to think happy thought first* "trust me you'll be fine", thats what they say, and then they steal from you and send you to war for their wealth and your weakmindedness..
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Uh, why not both?
Personally even when I was a very religious Jew I believed in evolution. Look at the first chapter of Genesis. The first paragraph. Doesn't that PERFECTLY describe the Big Bang? And nothing there really conflicts with evolution if you don't take it totally literally - it's impossible for God to actually explain to us how he created everything, so he put it in very simple terms for us.
I dont know how they're teaching it in your faith, but many faiths have decided(once they were corrected by science) that adam and eve was meant to be parabol*however its spelled, been awhile*.
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Sure, but you can take it literally too, it still doesn't go against science. :)
the whole adam and eve thing(have you read it) goes against science just a bit, cause they talk to God and God talks to them , and they live in a single perfect place, which science has never found on our planet*a single spot that brought all life* where are science believes life started in water.. where it was suitable to grow and form.. not midland.. and I'm sure there are more science discrepancies, but its been awhile since I've read up(on my fiction novals)..
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Um, how is God talking to humans not scientific? It's not actually said that Eden is "perfect", though even if it was, it certainly wouldn't be perfect after thousands of years, and nowhere near every spot on earth has been explored. Nowhere in Genesis does it say life did not start in water - the point is not to take Genesis literally as far as the chronological order of creation and the length of creation (i.e., one day).
And it's novels, not novals. :)
God talking to humans is non-scientific, because its occurance has never been proven. Yes, genesis did not say life did not start in water, focusing on it like that and saying "the bible never said this wasn't true", dude get real, OF course you can't take it literally now that its been proven wrong, NONE of it was meant to be taken literally. This novel originally had in it earth being the center of the universe and said that stars were holes poked in the black vale that was pulled over the sky at night. Its a bullshit book which had many contradictions to boot, and knew nothing the primative humans of its time didn't. You would think after me telling you this a few times it might click, but I guess I'm using a remote on an unplugged T.V. with you.. Nothing seems to get through your fairytale beliefs here, you're stubburn and thick headed. I once believed the BS when I was five, I moved on, and you seem incapable even though you don't seem you were brought up with the beliefs which is even more belittling to your capability to think. Its like teaching a monkey how to run a fax machine, he might be trained to hit the buttons, but as far as understanding the functions of that around him, he lacks the perspective to realize truths, and mechanics.. I feel like you would believe cars are heavy scary animals if you were taught that by whomever taught you religion. This will be the last time I waste my time trying to explain anything to you, **
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(Edited by Fallon, 3-15-08)
God talking to humans is non-scientific, because its occurance has never been proven.
Um, what?
If God has not talked to human in thousands of years, of course its occurance would have never been DOCUMENTED. But lack of documentation does not mean something does not exist or is not "scientific". You mentioned you "aced" several college courses, some of which were in the sciences - what exactly were those classes?
Yes, genesis did not say life did not start in water, focusing on it like that and saying "the bible never said this wasn't true", dude get real, OF course you can't take it literally now that its been proven wrong, NONE of it was meant to be taken literally.
Which part of it has been proven wrong? O.o None of the bible was actually proven wrong, not if you don't take it 100% literally and consider that God had to translate certain things into very simplistic terms. How do you know it was not meant to be taken literally? Did you speak to the author? :)
The point is though, that you can believe in Genesis as truth and also believe in evolution, they don't contradict each other.
This novel originally had in it earth being the center of the universe and said that stars were holes poked in the black vale that was pulled over the sky at night.
Source for those two claims, please? (Book + chapter + verse would be great.)
Its a bullshit book which had many contradictions to boot, and knew nothing the primative humans of its time didn't.
I never said I disagreed with that. That's not the discussion at hand, though... the discussion at hand was that IF you believe in it, you can ALSO believe in evolution.
You would think after me telling you this a few times it might click, but I guess I'm using a remote on an unplugged T.V. with you.. Nothing seems to get through your fairytale beliefs here, you're stubburn and thick headed. I once believed the BS when I was five, I moved on, and you seem incapable even though you don't seem you were brought up with the beliefs which is even more belittling to your capability to think. Its like teaching a monkey how to run a fax machine, he might be trained to hit the buttons, but as far as understanding the functions of that around him, he lacks the perspective to realize truths, and mechanics.. I feel like you would believe cars are heavy scary animals if you were taught that by whomever taught you religion. This will be the last time I waste my time trying to explain anything to you, as its never is properly encoded to your brain from your eyes or encoded to the proper part of the brain with problem solving skills, you have become too dependent on society for answers and are nothing but a polluting monkey without a function or purpose.
a. I believe the Bible is a work of literature. i.e., fiction.
b. I am agnostic.
c. I thought the concept of a personal insult/attack was already explained to you. Since you complained so much about being censored, I'm surprised you'd deliberately break the rules you KNOW of again. Not really the sort of behavior I'd expect from someone who "aced" college classes, even imaginary ones. :)
Undeserving of response.*That is all you will see from here on*
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But you did, in fact, respond nonetheless.
Someone as supposedly intelligent as you would be able to easily prove me wrong, no? Why would he choose not to answer some very basic, simple questions?
"Not worthy of a response" = "I can't think of anything to say so I'm going to pretend I actually do have something to say so I don't look like too much of an idiot."
We just spent 5 chapters in my AP Biology class learning about evolution. and i go to a Catholic school. Some people might think this would cause conflict. How do you teach a student information necessary to pass an AP exam while challenging religous beliefs?
Over the years, I have come to believe in evolution. I think there is way to much evidence to think otherwise. How do you explain fruit flies on Hawaii that have gradually developed into seperate species? How do you explain vestigial organs in animals today (structures that were originally used for something but aren't anymore. ex: they found whale fossils in Egypt that had hip bones, more evidence that whales actually once had legs)
However, although i believe in evolution, i still think God had a hand in things. He created life at the very beginning with the environment needed to survive and thrive.
My biology teacher has a great view on this: she believes God created the world and started life on our planet. As creatures became more and more complex, we began having more complex thoughts until humans evolved. We began to understand abstract thoughts, the only species to be able to do so. This is when we started seeking and understanding God. God didn't suddenly appear. He always has been, life just wasn't complex enough to understand his existence, until now.
I would absolutely...to a point...agree with this concept which is why I feel that both sides need to be taught...people think it's a two sided debate..but it's not...these things can work together and coincide as science and religion often do..but unless both sides are taught equally, no one can see that perspective
Did you just say religion and science coincide?
Woah..
I agree, put them side my side, and let the kid with 2nd grade math choose what seems right(as long as he hasn't been brain washed at home) he'll get it right everytime.
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I personally perfer the one without a magical basis. They may have to stop teaching math, so you can't hold enough logic to realize things dont add up soon. Its sad the direction in which some people look to fill their minds..
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We did not evolve from monkeys. We share a common ancestor. Meaning that in one generation, an ape-like creature developed a mutation that was able to be passed on and proved to be beneficial. That doesn't mean that we evolved from monkeys.
Nick
RAmen
dude seriously who cares what we evolved from the point of this blog is to discuss what's right...or what we think is right...not what kind of animal we evolved (or didn't evolve) from...for all I care we could've come from an elephant
No, man, he's right to say that, its like southpark, when Mr.Garrison says "I didn't evolve when a monkey buttfucked a fishfrog", the fact that the person has to say we evolved from a monkey is much different(to many) from saying we share some traits and have seperated from a more primative tree. I find it best to just go down to the single celled, and explain the realization that all things evolved, and that us(these walking bags of earth) had our own seperate path and destination.
Everything, you have done, and will do, is chemically predisposed by matter, even the fact you are reading this message. You make no choices, only perceive a given reality.
but just b/c we evolved doesn't mean creationism is obsolete...as I said earlier, science and religion can and often do go hand in hand...we shouldn't just ignore half of the issue
Explained how the two are not opposites, creationism believes that a magical(non-matter) being created all things and began the universe*without any experience or learning of its own it would need to create might I add*. Evolution believes things coming together in a way which makes sense.. One is science, one is in opposition to science, the only way the 2 meet that I see is in the fact that we exist in both scenarios..
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that's exactly it...we exist in both scenarios...who's to say that some kind of matter wasn't created and then we evolved from there? the point of the matter is that while there's evidence for both sides of the argument neither one can be concretely proven so neither one can be ignored...I have my own personal beliefs...which I won't share..but for the logical purposes here I think both sides need to be equally represented
One can be nearly concretely proven which is scientifically, it can not be proven how it all began but it can take an educated guess and be presented as a theory. The other, is like me believing in the force and holding strong on it, it won't accomplish anything especially understanding... And I'm agreeing they should both be presented (side by side) so that a logical conclusion can be drawn by the child(otherwise sheltered in wonderland).
It's sad to live on a planet, where fact and truth aren't believed by the majority of the populous, its like being surrounded by ignorant hateful little demon lemmings..
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like you said it can be ALMOST concretely proven..but the beginning is unclear...
here are my main problems with the theories and why I am refusing to choose one over the other here...if creation didn't exist how do you explain some of the miracles that happen like the fact that if the Earth were slightly misplaced it would be destroyed, or the fact that while people only use a small percentage of their brain but when put in life or death situations they use more...as if engaged in a deep conversation...but with who? these are coincidences that just can't be explained by pure science
and what about progressions in species like deviations of the same animal and successful crossbreeding...or progressions in medical science that can alter genes...these can't be explained by pure religion
Yes I said nearly, and that is because nothing around you can be fully proven, philosophically a person could invent the whole world around them, and nothing could even be. Just because you do not hold an answer to something does not mean you should invent one, I thought they taught you that in grade school. There used to be a God for everything, sun, wind, ect. We learned we shouldn't guess how the element work, and that we are smart enough to study what we don't know. Yes the earth is no longer flat, because we discovered no other body out there was anything but circular(which gravity causes with large masses). Yes it is because of the distribution of matter we are able to be, and if things were different, we may not be, or may be different. The fact that your brain kicks into full gear to save itself from danger is nothing that shocking, adreniline picks up the pace of your blood, you react. The deep conversation thing is just your and some other creationists misinterpeting some information. Your whole brain thinks deeply and quickly to find a solution as how to react so it can live, the only one talking to you is yourself. That is because **
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(edited by Fallon, 3/15/08)
yeah thanks for the personal attacks on me and other creationists...which you took it upon your self to deem me as one...even though I'm almost positive that I said I wasn't bringing my personal opinion here...the fact that you bluntly accuse people of misinterpreting information that I learned in a biology class (in case you didn't know that's the almighty science you so greatly worship) and then saying that religious people suffer from a mental illness is absurd...your accusations are completely unfounded...and even if I am religious...you have no place to be condemning people's beliefs...especially mine when if you look at everything I've posted thus far I'm equally defending evolution...so don't just attack me for one aspect of what I say
Well maybe a tad... lol but I'm trying to let you see things the way that the 5% of the logical populous does(which are the only ones whom accomplish anything) in saying that you are failing to reference to what you've learned. If you learn facts, why don't you apply them rationally to aspects of your life such as thought... and yes, I am saying relgious ppl suffer from dementia, look up the term and you might agree, and maybe even stop yourself from suffering from it by realize it is catagorized as a disease, which even your social populous believe is a bad thing to have.
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it's more than just a tad attacking...which you are still doing by saying that you "logical" people are the only ones to accomplish anything...trust me I've accomplished plenty of things that require logical thinking....
and no I don't agree that all religious people suffer from dementia...and with the negative connotations our society applies to diseases and disorders how can we not think of it as a bad thing?
I most definitely apply what I know to thought and looking at life...that's how I've come to these conclusions...that's why I defended both sides in the first place instead of instantly taking one side like most people do...b/c regardless of my beliefs on the matter things have been taught to contradict them
If you take it purely as an attack, not meant to be, but a lot of people talking to themselves in a group and worshiping the ceiling would be deemed insane if it wasn't a cultural tradition of our own. We as humans mock all kinds of customes and I am no different, besides the fact that I realize how they came to be. God/aferlife was a way early humans coped with the realities of life, but we're no longer early humans we don't need to live with such beliefs.. it just doesn't make sense, when soo much information is widespread and at our fingertips to believe it. I dont blame the people that live in an all muslim place like Iran, they have no option otherwise, and no information. But the unblindfolded americans continue to persecute and walk themselves off a cliff out of pure arrogance and ignorance, and that is something that needs to be corrected, so I'm as straight with people as possible when I hear them talking non-fact(nonsense) its just unnecessary..
And I am really sorry if it offends you that I present it in this form, but I'm just trying to be real about it, cause I see no one editing a response of a religious person whos every word is offensive to my beliefs.
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that was much more toned down...but has it ever occurred to you that people don't want the truth...so it shouldn't be forced on them...and we can't say it's just ingrained on us either...b/c my beliefs are very different from those of my parents...it's about what each individual perceives as true...it's for that exact reason that I would NEVER put down someone's beliefs (as you have) without first being provoked...it's the sole reason I didn't deny evolution here...b/c everyone should be entitled to their own opinions without judgment...claiming scientific answers are the truth is not going to make some one look around and be like "man what was I thinking?" and change their beliefs...and nothing I say should be offensive to your beliefs b/c I've in no way condemned evolution, science, or any other faith or lack there of
"but has it ever occurred to you that people don't want the truth..."(condemning science and openmindedness)
Well thats offensive for one, to believe I am forced to live with a bunch of stubborn ignorance, not too pleasant to me.
".it's for that exact reason that I would NEVER put down someone's beliefs (as you have) without first being provoked.."
I've been provoked, Its called living on earth, I'm surrounded by forceful arrogant retards who think they get to choose the laws I live by, I'd like to knock them on their ignorant asses.
You don't deny evolution because that would make you a far ezier target for me and others...
And if pointing out facts isn't the way to debate, I don't know what non-sense world you live in.
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it's not ignorance by believing something that others don't hold as true...religion actually protects you from a lot of the ugliness of the world...some people aren't made to be able to face such harsh realities....and if you don't like the laws and rules the "retards" make for you...leave the country...you have every right to
and you're sorely mistaken...I don't deny evolution b/c that would be denouncing someone's beliefs...if I was afraid of being targeted why would I be defending myself right now...why not just concede victory to you? b/c that's not why I'm upholding evolution as well...that's just what you choose to believe so I'm assuming you'll continue believing it since you can't accept anyone else's opinions
and I agreed with you that facts are the key to debate...but in our society religion is valued as fact...that's something you'll just have to live with
Believing something other than facts is ignorance... nearly defines it...
Religion doesn't protect, it keeps them ignorantly blissful and continues them feeding the ugliness of the world, by ignoring, allowing.
I dont need to leave the country it was founded by ppl more like me(the writers of the constitution and declaration of ind) few of who worshipped magic, tho much of the populous did.
No I do accept that that is not your reason for not opposing evlvo cause you just voiced, I listen to what ppl voice, just not unfactual opinions.
Religion is not valued as fact, 10% who voice they wont be pushed around are atheist, and I will never concede and "live with" ignorance, I will teach the slave to read, I free the caged mind, I will assist my fellow man, I will push equallity and distiguish ignorant hate.
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to put it simply since I'm about to head off to bed...I can do all of those things as well...while still having my faith
But me talking about teaching the slave to read.
Is me metaphorically talking about teaching the blind to see, the religioust person to regain reason is what I mean by it, which you seem to want to do none of.
Everything, you have done, and will do, is chemically predisposed by matter, even the fact you are reading this message. You make no choices, only perceive a given reality.
If evolution is completely true, you dont even have freedom of choice, and your whole religion is disproven, you're reacting matter, not some special lamb of God in his image with some special purpose like hating someone that doesn't believe like you, or wasting time and energy praising the ceiling..
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for one thing if we were developed from monkeys, there would be no monkeys, they'd all be humans. in my science class my freshman year of high school, we learned about evolution. the evolution we learned about was how plants and animals evolved from a lifeless thing to being able to attract sunlight or to have wings or feathers. to teach the other type of evolution, many christian students couldnt take the class because they dont believe in evolution in that manner.
I was confused as to the whole thing too when I was younger. I said the same thing, there would be no monkeys, but thats wrong, many of the original species another came from still exist, deep enough in the ocean you can still find the fish before they grew fins, and all kinda of evolutionary stages and even see some of the middle stages of 1 to the next. It is because survival of the fittest weeds out the ones that fail to work soo quicky that you often miss these stages/steps. Evolution isn't purely fact, its still a theory, but a fairly concrete one, this is because science when it isn't completely sure call it a theory, which religions could learn from... Scientific method..
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i was baptised catholic ,went to church and have a hard time believing. math i can use,history was proven,science is our future. were is God? can you touch him,see him, or do we put him in schools only cause thats what we were tought to believe as a kid. we believe he is there for us. were is he when a priest touches a kid in the house of god. when a mother drownds here kids. were is he when u loose a son before he can have dream. i have used math. i know history. i've used science. only one book says he is real. so were is he?
I grew up with knowlege of creationism in its entirety. What I cannot understand is why these two theorys cannot be combined. The Bible says God (almighty supreme force which governs universe via laws of physics) cerated man. It does not specify how, when, or how long it took. Sure it says it took god a day, but how long is a day for god?? a year? a millenium? This idea makes so much sense it is frightening. You see the only reason the theory's of creationism and evolution have been pitted against each other is because Liberal activists are seeking new methods of bashing religion. If they cannot ban religion altogether they will attempt to forge a disproof of it. why? becuase Liberals cannot stop fighting the power. They have not moved on from the era of hippies and woodstock and the sooner they do the better.
That same bs of trying to adapt science to religion has been done 1000 times on here, the bible knew nothing the primative ppl of the time didn't. It reflective earth as the universal center and all sorts of primative(none knowing, therefore non-divine) which have been taken out so that its not a huge joke that loses followers like it should. Only believe fact, believing anything else is a waste of your Logical mind, created or not.
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that's exactly my position...I don't understand why we can't learn evolution and creationism...or why they can't both be right...but taking this position is apparently very dangerous on this thread
please define fact for me.
Is a fact something you can prove?
If so thousands of facts are untrue, proofs can be fabricated.
Fact is subjective (much like your viewpoints) we see what we want to see. The words on this screen are only visable because your brain seeks to interpret them.
Religion may appear to be a primitive thing to those who cannot comprehend it, but so is eating.
I mean we have been eating for thousands of years and we don't question it right?Please do not confuse spirituality with being primitive. It is a sign of ignorance.
Faith is ignorance I grew out of at age 5, its a fruitless guess that people preach to you as truth, have fun wasting your life ignoring fact, the thing with science is it uses the scietific method, which is aware of the possibility of fabricated proof.
It has no motive to fool you like your religion does.
Ignorance is bliss.
And I'm not happy with the way you think.
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I find that people not willing to accept a full spectrum of possibilities is the worst act of ignorance... while I do have my own beliefs and convictions, I'm never going to turn down the possibility that someone else's beliefs may be right...but those are to that person as mine are to me...but people need to be accepting of both creation and evolution...and even the big bang theory...there are people out there that believe in some really crackpot theories but that doesn't mean we shouldn't teach them or should allow them to foster those beliefs
SO fact is proven by the world renound scientific method eh?
The problem with your logic is that not everything in the universe can be verified. You may see a tree and think its green. But simply because you persieve it as that way does not prove it to be true. Millions are colorblind and do not know until they are told so.
you cannot prove religion to be false be the scientific method, so is it therefore true?
Faith is a broad term. I have faith in a God, and apparently you find that offensive. However if you choose to denounce this faith, than what DO you have faith in? (besides the spectacular scientific method)
Do you not have faith that tommorow will come?
yet there is no proff of this at all by any scientific method.
A world without any sort of faith is a world of ignorance.
We're not talking about possibilies of flaws in facts. Cause that can be said about anything percieved, On persons brain could be inventing the entire world around them as far as we know, as far as we know we're in the matrix. But ya cant just walk around thinking like that cause even if the world is without reason the only effeciant way to live is with reason. Living without reason is far from living.
Go take your beliefs ask God to fly and find a cliff..
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then who's to say your mind isn't the one inventing its own little messed belief system and the religious folks aren't right? no one...that's why you shouldn't be saying that about others...it's not something that can be proven...even though religion isn't based on concrete facts necessarily we have answers...evolution just answers questions with more questions...you get deeper into the answerless questions forgetting what it was you set out to learn in the first place...so don't take it as fact...it's not
Personally, I believe what the bible says is true. I'm all for creationism.
However, a lot of people aren't. And to them creationism doesn't make sense. For me, evolution doesn't make sense. I don't think that evolution should be taught in schools.
Both creation and evolution to some extent have to be accepted through faith/belief.
It wouldn't be politically right to teach creationism, and it isn't religiously right to teach evolution....
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This is a government seperate from religion.
So whether it is religiously correct or not has no grounds in public schooling.
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Our government has a responsibility to educate.
Creationism is a theory millions believe and thould be represented.
Our government is not seperate from rekigion. It was founded based on a similar system used by the presbetyrian church, sworn in on a bible, and finally church and state were never stated to be seperated in the constitution.
Your government must be located in a far away land...
the republican party is based on religious principles.
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the republican party believes in freedom of religion and advocates for it to be equally treated. It has no religious affiliation what so ever
You are just all over the place on being incorrect.
There are tons of Christian right lobbists paying the republican party
Churchs and republicans are in the words of forest gump "Like peas and carrots"
The 2 go hand in hand, if anyone says otherwise there just trying to get a non-relgioust vote.
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Republicans are supported by the religious because they advocate for the same things the religious advocate for-usually. Christians around the world are against the death penalty yet the republican party supports it for the most part.
Just because a few crazed leftist liberals *caugh caugh ahem* are intent on bashing down any sort of faith, and the republican party is defending it, doesn't mean they are all peas and carrots.
I really have to get this out before this becomes too political...I'm an extreme leftist liberal...but I'm also extremely religious...so it shouldn't really matter
but I do agree that even through separation of church and state the government is a somewhat religious institution
first of all if you knew anything about god at all it is not supposed to be tested (hence the word FAITH)
My point is that if you cannot disprove God's existence than you cannot critisize those who follow him.
To billions of people God is reason, he provides a way of llife to those who have none.
You state that you only believe fact and reason yet admit that they are full of flaws?
what a ambiguous life one must have...
Just because you can't disprove something makes it no where near real.
I could say unlike all other humans my body has special powers and I can shoot purple ooze and move things with my mind.
I could never prove this in any way, so it is nothing you would believe.
Are you getting it now? if there is no way of proving it, you're just taking some fellow primitive human liars word.
"To billions of people God is reason, he provides a way of life to those who have none." exactly, those people have no lives.
I was pointing out that anything can be flawed, but the chances are very slim, whereas the chances of your guess on a magically being are highly improbable.
You believe a magical being who is not made of matter created the universe.
1. You have to live in an environment to learn.
2. You have to learn how things work to create them.
3. 1 and 2 make your God an impossible and unlikely creator.
4. Your religion was invented by men 4000 years ago.(universe has been here 13.7billion(estimated))
5. It was invented for controlling a populous and to serve its creators.
6. You have mental deficiencies if 1-5 does not click with you.
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"Just because you can't disprove something makes it no where near real."
Aparently you think that evolution can't be disproved- making it not so real after all...
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I've stated before evolution is an incomplete theory, it is just a way to explain things for now, just as we discovered gravity brought planets together, we are explaining that evolution formed advanced creatures..
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1. Until you have come to a full understanding of religion i suggest you cease to critisize it. -That doesn't mean reply to me saying religion is crap, because if it was, we wouldn't be here arfuing about it this long.
2. If you ever want to earn respect i suggest you stop insulting people who do not blindly follow your opinion
3. Living suddenly makes learning possible??? wow i was unaware the tree outside my window has now become a learning being!
4. religion believes GOD was not invented, it was believed to be discovered.
5. How could it be used to serve its creators if these so called creators you speak of were so "primitive and naive"
6. When calculated, the odds of a space rock flying precisely the right distance away from a flaming ball of gas (the sun) in order to create life from a premordial soup are even slimmer than the existance of a universal creator. Please explain this in the form other than a pathetic list
since you think ignorance is bliss, your mind appears to be seeking an enourmous amount of bliss...
1. You kno nothing of religion. You believe it is a scheme and that is it. do not insult it by telling me you are some type of theologan.
2. Its an opinion if its debatable, if you can't accept that you're just being immature.
3. Ideas live yet they have no matter yet they live. How do you suggest this is possible?
4. Once again that is an opinion, yet if this orgonization was intended entirely to control the weak minded how has it brought aid to billions of people, inspired works of art and music, and promoted peace around the world? Yes the existence of a supreme being was discovered. I'm sorry if that upsets you.
5. Money taken goes towards charity. If thats what you call "preying" than the red cross must be some sort of cult....
6. first of all more than half of those stars are either dead, dying, or about to explode. and do not contain any planets. Second, our planets distance from the sun is dependant on a single hundreth of a degree in which life is sustainable. We have a moon which just happens to be placed safetly away from our atmosphere to make a tide. that should cut your odds down a bit. And finally, evolution states that lightning struck a pool of soup to create life. What? come on man. the odds of being struck by lightning are 1/280,000,000. its still unbelieveable no matter what spin you put on it. and i apologize in advance for the crumbling of your theory.
Believe what you will, but attacking a theory is an impossible battle.
well at least someone has it right...props for that...you'd think by college some people would have some kind of understanding of what things are socially acceptable to dismiss and what things aren't..but obviously not...
and I have a serious question....for people that believe in evolution...do you believe the world was created by the big bang theory? I just don't get it how you can condemn something you don't understand...if you ask for someone's beliefs...understand them and still disagree then fine..but don't knock it without having a concept of understanding first
Vern has it perfectly right, whether or not religion can be proven or disproven is not the issue here, its the fact that you should not discount (or in this case attack) an institution that you yourself have not given full and complete thought into with an unbiased look. Its easy to bash the religious when you simply state that god doesn't exist, but when your own theories are questioned you suddenly find it ridiculous?
Failing to see things from multiple viewpoints is not just ignorance, its immaturity.
-and for the record i'm still in high school.
haha thanks...I'm just a big advocate of equality and it bothers me that people can't be accepting of all cultures in a multi cultural society
and yes it is ignorance and immaturity
whats the right or the best religion? is it being a christian or is it catholic or even islamic? catholic believe that if you kill yourself that you go to hell. the christians believe that Mary shouldn't be worshipped like Jesus. islamics believe that if they die for a cause(suicide) that doors of the kindom of heaven will open. so i ask what is the best form of creationism do we teach in the schools to not offend anyones beliefs? whos right ? whos wrong?
I don't think anyone can be right or wrong...I think theories need to be taught equally to encompass all beliefs without actually infringing on anyone's by promoting one theory over the other