yeah yeah i know we've all seen these before. Like the one in aladdin where he allegedly says "Good teenagers take off your clothes!!" (it's at the part where he goes up to her balcony and the tiger is growling at him) or the part in the little mermaid where theres the wedding and the priest gets uhh arrosed. or how about in the lion king where sima lies down in this little pile of dust and the dust blows up and spells out "sex"? Of course disney denies these but i just never got whats up with them. i mean i get that some shows for kids will put little adult humor jokes in there that kids won get but little messages like this is just weird. oh well. Disney also seems strange to me how their employees aren't allowed to grow beards, or have any imput about what goes on in their theme parks.
The strange part is every disney movie is so happy and promotes positive messages. well the messagei get is hey if you're a girl you need to find a guy who's a prince and can totally take care of you.
Well thats not totally true i mean mulan was a pretty great movie, so was pocohantus. i'll just leave it at the subliminal messages
Disney subliminal messages
By floppyneck - Posted on October 23rd, 2006
Ok, I'm going to correct you on The Little Mermaid...
"the part in the little mermaid where theres the wedding and the priest gets uhh arrosed. "
He's not arrosed... those are his nobby knees. Though because of the confusion they changed it on the new released DVD.
"Disney also seems strange to me how their employees aren't allowed to grow beards."
It's a dress code... every place has one. I also never heard of this one, even if it may be true.
Yes Disney does promote happily ever after... but what's wrong with that? So what if it is false? It's fiction! Teach your kids the truth between it.
I'll admit there are some messages in there that are hidden... and I have heard the Aladdin one. But come on... I think it's just to keep the older audiences interested... and what about regular theatre and drama? People do that all the time, so the actors don't get bored.
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Children can see and remember a lot that won't make sense until their minds mature - sort of like a mental time bomb, and if you know how to "unlock" that association, you might be able to manipulate someone later in life (SO BEWARE!!!) - be aware of the music and effects (foley, etc.) that coincide with the visual sub's.
Also, i'm an ameteur photographer and can't tell you how many times i've seen the letters "S E X" scattered around unretouched photos - it's just my mind making it up!
Lastly, open sources say that the CIA (Ooops, did i break a rule?) experimented with A/V sub's and the results were inconsistent. HOWEVER, the "black box" and vocoding systems using anti-theft sub's in retail chains are PROVEN EFFECTIVE in significant studies, so in fact subliminals DO WORK in the right context . . .
Most of these are just people getting bored and deciding to add a little something in. It's not Disney trying to promote anything--animators get bored ;).
(Besides which, true subliminal messages have not been shown to have any effect on behavior anyway.)
We discussed this in my AP Psych class today. Supposedly, the one in the Lion King actually says "SFX," which were the initials of the movie's animators, or something to that effect. I guess it was just their way of putting their "stamp" on their art. As far as the other ones, I don't get the point either.
Are you kidding me? There are more important things than these trivial so-called "subliminal messages." Take into account Disney's inclination to plagiarize! That's worth talking about!
Dirty jokes and rotten humor--that's just the way our culture works, no wonder the animators (adults!) put it into movies--even movies for kids. Not everyone has the same values or ideals about "protecting" little kids, anyway... The kids don't really get the jokes or references while they're younger, but it does soak into the subconscious. (Which soaks up everything.) I, for one, am all for the rational explanations listed above--specificially, boredom, and SFX (I hadn't heard that counter-argument before, glad I read it.) Unless, of course, it really IS all some kind of subversive decade-spanning mind control conspiracy.... *hypnotic eyes*. Lol. There's always room for more conspiracy theories.
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I don't really know if the subliminal messages are there it seems there is always a two-sided arguments on things like this, but I disagree with your view on disney movies. I think that it promotes happily ever after whichever way that may be. There's not really a message persay. Most animated movies don't have them.. but Disney's are good if you look at it further than the simplified view of getting the prince. Cinderella for example was about a girl that went against the tyranny of a harsh slavemaster-like person and found true happiness.
I think its just little quarks the animators add just for fun. Little surprizes certain people will find. Jokes the animators and their friends or fellow co-workers shared. Bits of legacy of something "outside the box" that will forever imprint themselves in movie history. Even though we dont know which animator did it, obviously the legacies still live because their important enough to blog about.
I find myself agreeing. How much credit to animators really get, anyway? Not that much. It could be their idea of a way to live on, even though it's totally anonymous. I certainly know people who'd get a kick out of doing something like that, just smile that secret smile and let everyone wonder what it REALLY means... And it's true; they succeed... we're still here talking about it...
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Yes, maybe there were certain things placed in the movies, but the same thing goes on in pretty much all children movies today. There is always adult humor in little kid movies, and until they get older, they don't really see it. I, for one, have experienced that.
And I don't really see why its so bad for children to see movies were girls fall in love with princes or princesses fall in love with guys and they live happily ever after. Young children like to see these things, and it stimulates their imagination. And that, in my opinion is good. Children need imaginations.
another thing to take in account is the era these movies are supposed to take place in. Old customs were pretty much wanting to get married and so on.
I don't know a lot about subliminal messages, except in the little mermaid. That under the sea song? "Down here it's better down where it's wetter" sounds REALLY bad.
I just don't like them because they butcher EVERY movie they make. for example: Ella Enchanted; the little mermaid; hercules; the princess diaries, to name a few. Am I wrong?
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Disney has been known in so many movies to strectch the limitations on a story beyond it's original telling. pocahontas wasn't a beautiful teenager, but a fat bald child when she saved John Smith. and Aladin is a far cry from it's original thousand and one nights. and hercules was really insane.
we shouldn't down them too much. a story changes as it's passed down from teller to teller, and they make it to fit the message and ideals they want to portray. so they add some dirty humor for the adults that the kids don't get the first thousand times they see them.(i've been rewatching them with my little sister and they will never be the same.)they do try to put some meaning beyond find a prince. it tells about following your heart, of not letting the fact that your locked in an attic stop you, and even karma, how the good you do comes back to you. just dig deeper and don't allow yourself to be shallow when you write them off as a bad influence.
Pocahontas wasn't a beautiful teenager, but a fat bald child when she saved John Smith....native people were not fat...nor bald....lol
I believe your over-analyzing this. I do in fact agree with the whole "fairy tale ending" is hardly ever true but if Disney won't give kids this hope who will?
I for one love the Disney movies. I guess I am naive, I just was not listening for sexual innuendo in the little mermaid. However, since Disney movies are usually something everyone growing up in America has seen, it gives a way to discover fact versus fiction . In my History class, we researched the real story of Pocahontas found several versions of her life then compared it with the movie. It was eye opening for most of us to see how far Disney had stretched the truth. It does lead to stereotyping which other students brought up repeatedly. I think it was an interesting assignment.
Personally, I love the fact that all of the Disney movies end happily with the princess finding her prince. There are enough movies out there that encourage violence and promote girl power. Why not let us indulge in a little "happily ever after"?
I can't stand the fact of happily ever after, over and over and over again. I don't like a lot of the overt stuff that disney is teaching my kids. Like only boys and girls get married. Boys and Boys can't and girls and girls can't, or girls can't protect themselves, they need a prince (I've actually had this argument with my daughter). She never argues that girls can't be female firefighters because that is modelled for her all the time. But girls can't be in charge when it comes to castles!
However I really don't mind the "subliminal messages" because my kids don't pick up on that, and its fun when you're older to look for them
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Artists have the right to mess around. Admit it, you know that when you write your essays for school, you've always been tempted to write some smack about your teacher to see if he was actually reading. same with authors. hmm, I wonder who will actually read this and discover that everything isn't exactly as it seems.
Subliminal messages are everywhere and not just in disney movies. what about smoking and so many things on mtv. we all don't need to be hoes to be successful. go out and be a biology professor. all of that is part of the media message.
and in regards to happily ever after. who doesn't want to have a place where they are happy. i am only a teenager, but living happily after ever is the idea, not the idea that you get rescued by a prince. maybe thats just a plus. the idea remains the same that everyone just wants to be happy.
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when you're a little kid, you're not paying attention to all that!! your mindframe is so different now than it was back then! they make the movies for a CHILD'S enjoyment! Believe me, when you were younger you didn't pay attention to any of that! You were just happy to see a disney movie!
hey i totally agree with you cuz us girls got together and watched some disney movies and according to the internet which i don't know if its true or not but every disney movie made while Walt Disney was alive has obscene stuff in it.....but ya know its the internet............
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i personally don't like disney movies very much, and i'm glad i'll have something fun to look out for in the future when i do the obligatory mom thing and take my children to see them.
sumbliminal messages...eh. like most people have said, kids don't really pick up on them.
Just to let you know, there are hundreds of websites that debunk these movie myths. Check 'em out yourself, and you'll realize that some actually are true, but most of them are plain cuckoo!
Hah, I think its just plain funny honestly. I mean - its very fun to go through disney movies - eve nas a 17 year old - looking for these little messges. It catches the adults attention too - perhaps something to make the bored mother who has seen the Lion King with her young child 18 times laugh sometimes. Meh, perhaps I missed something but Im amused.
And for the record, my brother works in a marketing kind of branch in Disney and absolutely has facial hair. Perhaps different depts. have different rules, but thats one I've nevre heard from him...
I CAN DO NOTHING BUT LAUGH BECAUSE KIDS (I DONT THINK) WILL BE ABLE TO POINT OUT THESE SUBLIMINALS. I DIDNT POINT THEM OUT UNTIL I WAS AN ADULT. DISNEY IS OK WITH ME, UNLESS THEY HAVE SOME BREAKING NEWS INCIDENT, THEN WE'LL SEE WHAT THATS ALL ABOUT. BUT UNLESS WE HAVE A HUGE RIOT ABOUT OR START A ORGANIZATION M.A.D (MOTHERS AGAINST DISNEY), THEN WHATEVER.
I'm sure when the creator made Disney movies he specifically added raunchy subliminal messages for all children to see. This is just like when the WTC was attacked and people swore they saw an image of the devil in a smoke cloud. I think they call that kind of stuff "sarcasm"...leave it to the adults to make meaningless sexual references to a disney movie.
that beard thing is pretty weird. I've never heard of a dress code extending to facial hair
I've gone frame-by-frame in Lion King (my fave Disney movie BTY) and it doesn't spell sex. Aladdin doesn't say anything wrong, last time at my Aunt's (we don't own it) house we put on captions.
Walt Disney was all about families being together and doing things together. The dress code is something he put in place. I'm not sure about the beard thing, but an employee told me that you aren't allowed to have visible tattoos.
However, I will concede that I too am disappointed by the (sometimes huge) disparities between the real stories and the Disney Movie Version, specially in terms of Pocahontas, Hunchback. Also, because I'm a big Pooh fan, the way they twisted the original Pooh stories in the last three feature films.
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Is it the new version? I am not sure that the new version has it. I went frame by frame on the old one from the 90's and its pretty clear. Although I had to do 10 times before I actually saw it. Its not that obvious, but when you see you are shocked.
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the whole thing is pretty funny with animators supposedly contradicting the message of disney. hey they're grown ups and they're making hokey movies, so why not let them have a little fun? most little kids don't even know about most of these 'subliminial message'. they're not even subliminal, because you wouldn't perceive them unless you knew about them (i.e. in aladdin--you have to turn the volume WAY up).
as far as the happily ever message--
most of these movies are based on fairy tales and historic stories. they're FOR KIDS. is blues clues fakey? yes. how about dora the explorer? of course. at least the disney movies keep some good morals as themes. there's no reason to have kids get down on themselves at such a young age.
Regardless, Disney movies are damn entertaining. Who cares if there are subliminal messages that ninety nine of the adult population doesn't even notice? Disney has put out some great movies!
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The strange part is every disney movie is so happy and promotes positive messages. well the messagei get is hey if you're a girl you need to find a guy who's a prince and can totally take care of you.
Well thats not totally true i mean mulan was a pretty great movie, so was pocohantus. i'll just leave it at the subliminal messages
It's not strange that Disney ends on positive endings all the time. It's the target audience. Little kids. In their mind everything is perfect. Have you ever heard some of the original tales of Cinderella? In one of the oldest her step sisters cut off parts of their feet to get the slipper to fit. That's horrid. The father is also a complete arse. No little kid needs to see that. Daddy is hero. Little kids don't need to understand how life works at such a young age. They need to have fun and live in their fairytale world while they still can.
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A lot of those are myths.
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Couldn't resist when I saw your post on Disney's subliminal messages. I saw Enchanted the other day. I'm just going to paste an entry from my blog. I hope you find it interesting. There is way more going on in the world than we are lead to believe. Check out youtube and watch some of the videos posted up there on subliminal messages and elite symbolism. You might be blown away. Noticing the subliminal messages that appear in the media verses shunning the idea is a major difference between those who are sleepwalking through their lives, and those who will actually change the world for the better. Here is my recent post...
So I went to see Mr Magorium’s today but the showtime was way later than I was willing to wait for so instead I suffered through most, but not all of Enchanted. My coach turned into a pumpkin when they made it to the ball, (barf barf barf!)
Anyway it was an interesting opportunity to do some serious symbolism research on the grand wizardry of Disney to say the least. There was an alien head in a lamp, a subliminal cross in the bottom of a 5 gallon jug of water that dissolved and transformed into the wicked face of cartoon Susan Sarandon, and an odd and creepy (unnecessary from my point of view) reptilian tongue thing by Miss Sarandon when she emerged from the sewers of New York city to kill the princess herself. Also there was a penis shaped fountain that would send anyone who dared to dive into it through a birth canal that ended at a floral encrusted man hole cover (symbolic for gosh I just can’t figure it out), and right into the crazy rat race world of the streets of Manhattan.
Oh so much stuff to see and so little to offer. I have two and a half pages of a sketchbook filled with questionable imagery from just sitting through that film. If anyone knows anything about the significance of the number 440 will you please fill me in?
Anyway if you are really interested in finding out about the subliminal world do yourself a favor and check out Michael Tsarion on youtube, but be warned you might get the s&*t scared out of you. Check out my blog at http://headtrip.wordpress.com
Bravo to you for your powers of observation /::) As long as we know the difference between what is real and what is imaginary we can advance our working theories about these things. My contention is that the images are not just practical jokes and more that mere coincidence, and, I believe, deliberate.
A child's mind can retain memories without understanding the significance until later when the association is triggered or remembered in the context of adult life.
I mean, Sleeping Beauty? She awakens at the kiss of a handsome prince? How about after a college degree? Or making her first million? See what I mean? Oh, OK, they're just fairy tales, right?
I saw the remake of "Around the World in 80 Days" and couldn't keep count of how many times the word "magic" and similar terms were used. There is a limit to what our children should be exposed to over and over again. Their minds need protection until they can make an unbiased decision on their own.
In the original Snow White, the Prince rapes her. That was taken out of the Disney version of the story, and now it's just a fairy tale.
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Quote from mvenus929: "Why shouldn't children be allowed to believe in Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy when they're young?"
Is this rhetorical or . . . :?!) I only know that children have an enormous capacity for imagination and make-believe. When we became adults (not that I ever really grew up) we channeled those energies into more social and responsible ways of interacting with others, at least at some level. When I was young the Santa story helped add more excitement and mystery to a holiday that would have been rather dull, except for "Wizard of Oz" on the telly. As I got older, I guess I outgrew the need for make-believe of that kind, but I still enjoy a good movie!
There are families who teach the truth to their little ones from the beginning; I cannot despise the family traditions of other regarding this matter.
You just ruined that movie for me. Thanks a lot.
Is that the Grimm's fairy tale one?
On a related note, I just saw the "Live Free or Die Hard" DVD last night; one of the previews on it is for the Simpsons Movie. In the Simpsons preview there is a scene where Bart slams against a restaurant window in front of Mr. Flanders, who holds up a french fry right where Bart's um, you-know would be (whew! That was a little embarrasing). The image lasts just a second, but it is clearly not coincidence. In fact, Bart appears to be naked in this scene. In the very next scene, he is shaking his head, saying, "That was the worst day of my life". What's going on here?!?
Let the disney artists have some fun. :)
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Animators get bored. Leave it alone, it's not that big of a deal.
Subliminal messages are powerful tools, but also can get a little nutty sometimes. And I'm not just talking about what goes into a subliminal message. I mean that when I get thinking about it, I start seeing 'em everywhere! So, some of the claims of messages in cartoons/movies/whatever I dismiss as being just claims. Others, I believe to be true.
If you are interested in this subject (kinda fun, isn't it?) just type "subliminal message" in the search bar on YouTube. You'll get a lot of interesting hits, from Disney movies, to music, to ads.
This was a topic of great, childlike debate when I was like seven. We would like mess with our Disney tapes -- stopping and rewinding to find sublimal messages.
agree!! haha
I have also noticed all the drug references that the disney movies make! Come on...Alice in Wonderland. And then the drunk scene in Dumbo...thats trippy!
We got into an argument once in my spanish class about how the hero is always white, white voice, and the villian always has a foreign accent.
Aladdin for example, they're all the same race... but yet they talk different.
Another thing I heard about Aladdin is that during one of the first songs, some of the lyrics use to read, "and they cut of your ear if they don't like your face", If you have one of the very first verisons it's suppose to be there. But they changed that.
But anyway. At least they would hide them, and you only see or hear them if your looking closely. Look at movies like Shrek 2 and 3. I remember watching them and wondering if the rating was really PG. I know the humor goes right over thier heads, but we wonder why some of the kids today have such potty mouths.
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i mean it is kinda weird that disney would include these messages but its not that big a deal. dont make something out of nothing
In shrek the third there are 2 very obvios subliminal messages..
I was truly shocked to see it so bluntly..
subliminal message 1:
near the beggining of the movie, when shrek the cat and the donkey are first on the boat in search of arthur.. right after shreks nightmare about being a father.. the donkey starts to sing.. then shrek gets him to stop.. then the cat hops up beside shrek and says: "You kno i love you [muffled]- My Balls" .... u can clearly hear him say "my balls" in a whisper.
subliminal message 2:
during the scene when merlin is throwing magic powder into a fire and asking what they see.. he gets shrek to look and the scene shows what he sees..
what appears is a baby carrage.. but as it aprears for a good second all it shows is the side of it and a wheel of it in the shape of a penis.. it was very plain to see and i was truly shocked to notice 2 SMs in one movie sitting
Those messages aren't subliminal. Shrek (1, 2, and 3) is a dirty movie. Those messages are obvious, explicit, and put there on purpose.
Silly.
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When I saw that movie I probably saw the first one you mentioned, but the second one is shocking. Now I'll be looking for that if I ever see the movie again.
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I am way more concerned about Disney's explicit messages than I am about subliminal ones. Their "High School Musical" characters are such stereotypes for what our children should aspire to, cookie cutter personalities for jocks, cheerleaders, hunks and misfits. And those rock and roll brothers, whatever their names are, have a million preteens and teens trying to be them, manufactured entities with no personal investment in their own personality or humanity. It is scary to me that our society underwrites this kind of B.S. and buys into it. Individualism seems doomed now that we are being shaped from age 2 by Disney's idea of who we should be.
I agree! The explicit messages are the worst.
I wish I could sue Disney to get back the 1/2 hour of my life that I spent standing in line for and then being nauseated by the obnoxious content of their ride "Its a Small World". I hate that multicultural crap and that song and music was perhaps the worst thing I have ever experienced. The animation was downright creepy. Those nastyy little animated jaw knashing humanoid creatures reminded me of the flesh eating dolls in Jane Fonda's classic "Barbarella Does Her Thing".
I really don't think that ride is a waste of life. I mean, it's a classic from the early days of Disney. And it is meant more for kids, right? Some things are not for some people...
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Another thing I want to mention is that there are words which, when spoken in reverse, become other words. A simple example is "Yaw", which becomes "Eye" in reverse. I'm not talking about the backmasking urban legends, etc.
The one example I would like more people to be aware of is, "Grow Up!", which becomes the word "Power" in reverse. Check it out with Microsoft Wavepad, or another digital audio program. It's important because it is used in a kind-of cult way like a hypnotic trigger. In fact, you can hear it in the background in the movie "8 MM" (Eight Millimeter) with Nicholas Cage, when he is driving in the red light district in Hollywood, near the men on the sidewalk (possibly male prostitutes).
This is sometimes called a "Peter Pan" code.
'Nuf said!
I've heard about this backmasking stuff, and even saw a few videos on YouTube about it. It's interesting, though I question how much of it was actually intentional or just overactive imaginations.
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OK, just for fun, download the trial version of Wavepad, or use any digital audio that can reverse the file. And here is another one, which I believe is more than coincidence:
"But don't tell anyone", which when reversed, starts, "And now we know . . ."
I am not necessarily an advocate of a lot of "Reverse Speech" theories out there; what I am implying is that these phrases are ENGINEERED to influence people without their knowledge, and seemingly innocent phrases such as "growp up", "don't tell anyone", or "pitch, yaw", can be attempts to trigger someone.
Just a bonehead theory. Maybe I'll write a book, "Mind Control Countermeasures for Dummies" . . .
I might try that Wavepad idea some time. I wonder if there's a site out there with a list of these reverse engineered phrases...
Chapter 1 of your "book" could be "Step One....cut off all stimulus from the outside world" cuz that's probably the extent you'd need to go to in order to not be swayed by anything: ads, TV, people's speeches or propaganda, fads or fashions, you name it. It's all a sort of mind control...because mass amounts of people will buy things they saw on TV or will wear the latest fashions.
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This is a perfect example of how many conspiracy theory seekers we have out there. Not to bash any concerned parents, because we should be careful as to what our children are watching and that it is appropriate. However, I disagree with the idea that Disney is out to corrupt our children's minds with these "Subliminal Messages". Maybe the occasional angry employee who didn't get his christmas bonus decided to seek revenge this way, who knows? But I highly doubt they are all spending their time plotting ways to corrupt our kids. These are very positive, family oriented movies we are talking about. Honestly, 99.9% of these messages would go completely unnoticed, I think, if there weren't people out there spending hours looking for them. I hate to think of someone depriving their kid of having the disney experience, and not allowing them to watch any of the greatest classics over a silly conspiracy theory.
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