Is Abortion Worth Death?

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Many doctors have disputed the abortion pill, RU-486 since it came out years ago.  Some believe it has major health risks, which include death, while others believe it's perfectly fine and has a low risk of side effects.

 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12743453/

"ATLANTA—Scientists disagreed Thursday over whether the abortion pill RU-486 played any role in the deaths of four California women who died from a rare bacterial infection.

The possibility of RU-486 being a cause of death has stirred political interest too, with some anti-abortion groups calling for pill sales to stop.

Healthy women who have taken these pills have already died, and hundreds more have suffered serious adverse events. What further evidence do we need to tell us this drug is not safe and ought to be pulled from the market?” Randall O’Bannon, director of education and research for National Right to Life, said in a prepared statement issued after the meeting.

The scientists had gathered to explore emerging bacterial infections, including a possible link between RU-486 — also known as Mifeprex or mifepristone — and a bacterium known as Clostridium sordellii.

C. sordellii has been linked to four abortion pill deaths in California and one in Canada since 2000. In each case, the women took RU-486 in combination with another drug, misoprostol.

The abortion pill may suppress the immune system, which would increase susceptibility to bacteria already present in the vaginal canal, said Dr. Ralph Miech an associate professor of pharmacology at Brown University, one of the featured panelists."

Many people believe that the RU-486 pill is great, but would you actually be willing to give up your own life, just so you can kill the fetus inside of you?  I wouldn't.  But then again, I'm strongly pro-life, and wouldn't kill the baby inside of me in any case, even rape.

The FDA even warns of an infection risk that goes along with taking RU-486.  So in the pursuit of ending her child's life, some women will end up ending their own lives as well.

In my opinion, abortions of any form are so morally wrong in the first place.  Yet, it blows my mind that women are so set on killing their baby that they don't seem to care about the risks on their own lives.  Would it really be better to die than to have to deliver a precious child?  I doubt it.

no it is not. none shoud kill another

"Women are so set on killing there baby". Do you think women have abortions for fun? Like it's a contest, like "oh my god I like HAVE to kill this fetus, because it's like the cool thing to do".

What bothers me so much about all your blogs peppermint, is you have NEVER been in a position that calls for such a drastic choice. You say "even if I was raped". You have never been raped. It isn't fun, you don't spend the entire recovery period thinking about your morals. You have no idea what it's life, so to assume that you would be all moral and forthright because that's what you are now, is stupid. Traumatic experiences change people's views, people's outlooks.

Woman have abortions for all types of reason. 12 year olds have abortions because they are 12, they aren't capable of raising a child, and it is physically dangerous for them. They can die having the child just as easily as this abortion pill can kill them. Teenage girls ultra conservative fathers, will disown them, will hurt them, will beat them, if they know their little girl is out fucking some guy and got knocked up. Do you realize this? That for some women, they don't have a choice? This isn't a picnic for women, and people like you make it even worse with your irrational judgement. You aren't in that person's shoes, you don't know what THEIR life is like, you have no right to judge the decisions they make for their own well being,, despite the fact that you think you're so in touch with God and what he wants. PS, tell him I said thanks for killing my dad when I was 16. He never really got back to me on that one.

"A prescious child". Not everyone sees kids that way hunnie.

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You're right, I don't know what a rape is like. But I know that murder is absolutely unacceptable in all circumstances to me. I would never kill my precious child and rid it of its right to life.

Then the 12 year old shouldn't have gotten pregnant.

You should see it that way. You're killing an innocent baby. It's defenseless. And in most abortions, it does feel pain, so don't think you're just killing a "blob."

fanaile essence's picture
Managing Director of Progressive U

Okay, You never replied to my comment on another post regarding abortion, so I will post the same story here, and please, tell me what you think your morals would have compelled you to do.

My sister-in-law is 27 years old and lives a healthy lifestyle. She was one month into her 6th pregnancy when she was diagnosed with cancer and was given a choice - she could abort and undergo chemo, or she could forego chemo, or she could have the baby who more than likely would have been born healthy but she would have died probably months later.

She went to three doctors in two different states over the next two-three weeks, and all gave her the same prognosis.

Today, I have three nephews (two of which are my godchildren) and two nieces - the oldest of these five children has just celebrated his 10th birthday. These children would be without a mother if she had not had the right to make her choice.

Which would you have done?

Oh, that's right, don't kill the baby, it's murder. Just leave six young kids without a mother to be raised by a single father or become wards of the state if he can't handle it (which, I honestly do think he could handle it, but then, he's never had to while trying to grieve for his dead wife).

Should abortion be used as just a means of birth control, of course not. But it should be a legal alternative for people in certain situations, and to make it legal in certain situations, you have to make it legal for all people. Some will take advantage of it, sure, but most won't. To most, they feel it's the only solution.

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peppermintfrost's picture

I wouldn't have the abortion. Expecially since it's not certain that she would die. So many people beat cancer if they have a good attitude about it. If God didn't want her to die, leaving her children without a mother, she wouldn't die whether she had the abortion or not. And likewise, if He did want her to die, she would die no matter what.

fanaile essence's picture
Managing Director of Progressive U

People don't just beat cancer with a good attitude. They beat cancer by getting treated for it, and it helps to have a good attitude. And in her case, the chemo would have killed the baby if she didn't have the abortion.

Additionally, your own logic makes no sense. If someone had an abortion, why don't you use your own logic of "because God wants him to die" to justify it? What makes you so sure that God would choose and want the mother to die rather than the parasite living inside her?

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peppermintfrost's picture

People can beat cancer with a good attitude and herbally. Did you know that eliminating sugar from your diet can drastically slow and even end the spread of cancer? Not everyone needs to get treatment in order to survive.

He wouldn't necessarily want the mother to die either. You don't know that she would have died. Nobody can know that for sure.

Not everyone sees kids as precious, but they shouldn't get away with killing them. When the abolitionists were fighting for emancipation, the slaveowners also said: You have no right to make decisions for us! You're not in our shoes! If the slaves are freed, bad things X,Y,Z will happen. And you, know, it often did. That still did not justify slavery. Neither does the trauma of women who are raped justify the killing of unborn children. Either the child is an equal or he's not. We can't base that conclusion on a woman's reaction to rape.

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Then the 12 year old shouldn't have gotten pregnant? What about rape? What about a 12 year old making a bad choice because she is 12 and lives in a boonie town, doesn't know the consequences. Do you remmeber being 12? I don't think I even knew what sex was then. You can't judge other's choices without understanding why they choose them.

For example. You think it's murder. I don't think it's murder because a fetus, up until a certain point, can't live outside the mother's womb. Therefore it isn't, TO ME, an individual, it is a parasite, part of the mother.

So who is right? You think it's murder, I don't. You still get the right to make the choice for me? Everyone is different. Everyone should have the right to choose.

I totally agree. With me being a crisis counselor, you would be suprised to know how many young girls DO NOT KNOW much about sex. Some don't know what the use of condoms are for. Some don't know that they can go to clinics to get birth control for FREE. And most of the time, it can be a mindset as well. For example, even with the much publicized statistics of AIDS, girls in relationships still thing it is okay to have unprotected sex with their partners. Girls in high school will have unprotected sex with their boyfriends and assume that if they became pregnant, their partners would stick around to help raise the child. So like stefanie said, you really can't judge other people's situations.

"Be absolutely clear about who you are and what you stand for. Refuse to compromise." -Brian Tracy

RU-486 has been used in Europe for a very long time now. They haven't had a reason to stop using it so I don't see what the problem is. Also, you can get bacterial infections from a lot of things. A woman can get a bacterial infection from a regular abortion. I was told after my procedure what signs to look for that might be symptoms of infection. By the way, I didn't happily have an abortion. I was on birth control, it didn't work. I take very strong epilepsy medication which cause sever birth defects. I didn't want to bring a child into the world only so it could suffer.

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