A Gay in the Life: Our Dastardly Plan to Destroy the Institution of Marriage.

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To be fair to all the defenders of marriage here on ProU, I thought it might be helpful for them to know exactly what devious and deviant things my partner and I (and all our friends) do to undermine marriage at every hour of every day.

We start destroying marriage as early as 6:00 AM: One of us wakes up to walk our geriatric schnauzer. We take turns doing this. The other gets to sleep in until 7.

7:00 AM We take turns showering, make nutritious lunches, and have breakfast. The one who slept in walks the dog again at 7:55. We kiss goodbye and tell each other to drive safely.

8:00 AM We both go to work. I take care of three young boys and volunteer at an inner-city elementary school. My partner is an American Sign Language interpreter in a suburban school, where she makes education accessible to Deaf children in hearing classrooms.

5:00 PM After a long day of working with children, we return to our cute and cozy home. We walk the dog together and talk about our days. We feed all the animals (dog has a brother cat and a sister rabbit). One of us makes dinner. The other cleans the kitchen.

After dinner, it gets really deviant. Sometimes we watch TV after dinner. Other nights we go workout. We're so subversive, we just can't keep a regular schedule! Except for Thursdays. Lost is on Thursdays. If we feel social we may get together with another lesbian couple and have a foursome...for Cranium or a movie. We even have foursomes with straight couples once in a while. We'll sometimes call a single friend to arrange a threesome at a coffeeshop or wine bar. We like going to plays and concerts in threesomes, too. The more public, the better! On these wild nights of debauchery, we are sometimes known to stay out as late as 11 PM. That's 16 straight hours of marital sabotage! We are tireless evildoers!

Our weekends are TOTALLY subversive! We clean our dirty, dirty house and do our dirty, dirty laundry. We help our immigrant neighbors read important mail and we play games with their kids. Dirty games, like Uno. I can't wait to see how our selfish actions tear that family apart!

Some weekend nights, we go to parties-- sexy parties, where people gay and straight do nasty things, like play Guitar Hero and go sledding. You have to admire the strength of our heterosexual friends' marriages, to withstand that kind of pressure! Not one of their wives has succumbed to the Siren's call of my karaoke singing! Not yet...

On Sundays, we may go to a Quaker meeting--the most deviant group of them all!--and spend an hour in prayer. If we don't go to a meeting, we usually stay in and watch Meet the Press, because Knowledge is Power! We usually grocery shop on Sundays. We go to the co-op, because we're communists who hate God and want to destroy America by being kind to the Earth and maintaining our natural resources.

And then we begin another week of waging war on marriage.

Our long term plans for the destruction of marriage include having children, planting a garden, securing our financial future, and living peacefully into our retirement years together.

Our friends are engaged in similar battles against the institution of marriage. It is the agreed-upon strategy of The Gay Agenda, as set forth at the National Summit on Ruining Marriage for the Rest of You (more commonly known as NSRMRY by GLBT insiders).

So, please, defenders of marriage, since we can't seem to control ourselves, do all you can to prevent the legalization of this deviant type of union! Legalizing gay marriage might lead to happiness, stability, and peace for families! Won't SOMEBODY please think of the children?

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funny! lol

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It felt good. Sometimes, if you don't laugh, you have to cry. And the gay hate on here makes me want to cry, so I'm laughing at it!

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why must you use the word "hate"...I am very much against gay marriage and it has nothing to do with what homosexuals do on a daily basis. Its a political and cultural thing. Let me be clear I hate no-one, but I have the right to disagree.

does disagreing=hate?

"my first name must be, "He aint sh@t", cause everytime I come through, yall be like "He aint sh@t"!....I'll be dat" --Redman

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No, disagreeing does not mean hate. You, sir, have done far more than disagree. You have dipped into the discrimination well. I'd venture to say that discrimination is hateful. As are ignorant comments about butt sex, which you have also made. You aren't the only one writing gay hate on here, but you are one of them.

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what is ignorant about pointing out the FACT that it is UNHEALTHY to force objects into your anus? I meant it as scientific observation

"my first name must be, "He aint sh@t", cause everytime I come through, yall be like "He aint sh@t"!....I'll be dat" --Redman

"Anything that can go wrong, Will go wrong"----Murphy's Law

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For one, it suggests that you think the only form of gay sex is anal sex. It also suggests that you don't know about the existance of the prostate.

Personally, I've found your statements regarding homosexual people "deserving" what they get particularly hateful.

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...you are remarkably ill-informed. Perhaps this will shed some light on the subject for you...

What most doctors say about homosexuality: A collection of policy statements by the major professional associations

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i agree with you- disagreeing does not equal hate. those comments on communism,etc. were totally out of line. i am a Christian who does not believe in homosexuality but i also don't believe in hate. i may not like some of the things that unstraight people do but it doesnt mean i don't like them as people. yeah they have regular lives i understand that but i realize that they are different from me & they should be able to realize that about us too-not make fun of us and blow things out of proportion just because we believe differently.

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"yeah they have regular lives i understand that but i realize that they are different from me & they should be able to realize that about us too-not make fun of us and blow things out of proportion just because we believe differently."

What exactly is being blown out of proportion? The anti-GLBT rhetoric is all over the place. "Making fun of us"? I took this as a sarcastic slam because a lot of people still believe that homosexuality is pure evil. If hate wasn't preached so viciously and often against GLBT people, there wouldn't need to be posts like this. It's not about "US versus THEM!" It's about humanity!

Who other people are attracted to, have sex with, and/or fall in love with has nothing to do with you. I don't believe in religion, so we're different. Does that alone make me less of a person? Should I have less rights because of it? Should I be insulted, harassed, abused, or killed because of it?

-Sonja :)
"Democracy works only when you vote. When you don't take the time to vote for the candidate you find the least offensive, you run the risk of electing the candidate you find the most offensive."

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Thank you, sonja. That is, in one sentence, the entire point of my blog.

I am surprised that a few people are occasionally taking it as a slam against them. That must mean they hold some of the beliefs I lampooned, because otherwise, why wouldn't one laugh at the sheer ridiculousness of some of the accusations leveled at gays and lesbians? We lead dull, decent lives. The accusations and assumptions people make about us are unwarranted. If the above poster does not harbor any of those baseless, incendiary, discriminatory stereotypes about gay and lesbian people, the blog was not about him/her, so it wasn't making fun of him/her.

Thanks for addressing that for me!

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Yes, a disagreement with a person doesn't mean that you hate that person. As an agnostic surrounded in a religious school, I know that even friends won't agree on all the issues. However, if one is to deny people the same rights as others, that is an ignorant hate. Denying homosexuals the right to be married would be like denying my right to go to school because of my lack of religion. America a supposed to be a land of tolerance and freedom, but how can we continue call ourselves that when we are being intolerant of homosexuals and denying them the same rights of heterosexuals?

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It’s mostly a combination of false pride in the pants together with something worse called ignorance, that last one, lucky enough is not self-inflicted...

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I dislike hate comments about gay marriage just as much as you do I'm sure. I am not gay but I see nothing wrong with two people leading a happy life together. What gets me really worked up is the debate on whether or not homeless chidlren should be adopted by a gay couple. Its ludacris to think that the child would be better off in an institution than with a loving family.

I don't have anything against gays marrying... they have every right to be as miserable as the rest of us....
live long and prosper..

This should be a bumper sticker or poster for the gay rights movement.... I would certainly put it all over the place.... So many people argue and argue in enlogated ways and I am one of them but that is so plain honest and simple... but so true.... thank you!

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I wish this statement of yours could be published in every newspaper in the world. It seems as though some people out there don't realize how incredable rediculus thier making this. I am personally not gay but it sickens me to see the heartless people out there who want to tear love apart just because they don't understand it.

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:)) Brilliant!

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You're welcome...

and you know what's funny? People find it necessary to blog on here about their anti-gay marriage sentiments... but for what? If you really think about it, what is marriage anyway? Just a legal thing to show that you're committed to another person..? Marriage is unnecessary in a sense in the first place...but people want to make it exclusive to one sexuality...when it reality...nobody's marriage but your own affects you (for the most part).

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Please use the reply button at the bottom of text boxes. It makes it easier to follow conversations.

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People talk about how marriage is a religious institution, but then, why is it an institution in the government? why is it something that the government awards people for by allowing them to share insurance and taxes? either you let EVERYONE have it, or no one. and that's all i have to say about that.

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Some religions ARE marrying gay and lesbian couples. I agree... all or nothing.

And screw the "civil union" junk. Separate but equal? Didn't we try that one already?

-Sonja :)
"Democracy works only when you vote. When you don't take the time to vote for the candidate you find the least offensive, you run the risk of electing the candidate you find the most offensive."

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if i may say so myself. and nice connection. maybe it's wrong of me, but i feel especially ashamed of black people who would deny people their civil rights. its like, didn't your ancestors just finish fighting for equality? don't you have any sympathy? a century ago, slaveowners had their own bible scriptures that they used to defend slavery. would you deny someone else rights that your own ancestors were once denied?
when i use this argument, i tend to get blank looks...

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It was a unified front saying that America would not tolerate that kind of thought. Of course, inequalities still exist openly in race, gender, and class relations. We have a ways to go for equality of any group.

There is something severe about black culture generally disapproving of GLBT lifestyles. I can't exactly figure out how or why.

I read an interview with Barbara Smith not too long ago- "Where Has Gay Liberation Gone?" I love this quote, "Our enemies are the same. That to me is the major thing that should be pulling us together."

-Sonja :)
"Democracy works only when you vote. When you don't take the time to vote for the candidate you find the least offensive, you run the risk of electing the candidate you find the most offensive."

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In the words of Coretta Scott King, Jr....

"For many years now, I have been an outspoken supporter of civil and human rights for gay and lesbian people" King said at the 25th Anniversary Luncheon for the Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund.... "Gays and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery, Selma, in Albany, Ga. and St. Augustine, Fla., and many other campaigns of the Civil Rights Movement," she said. "Many of these courageous men and women were fighting for my freedom at a time when they could find few voices for their own, and I salute their contributions." - Chicago Tribune, April 1, 1998, sec.2, p.4.

There is something severe about black culture generally disapproving of GLBT lifestyles. I can't exactly figure out how or why.

The source of the friction in the civil rights movement concerning the inclusion of gay people comes from...yes, you guessed it...religion. Black churches played a major role in the early Civil Rights Movement, and the more conservative elements of those churches are confusing their religion's inherent bigotry with the true goals of the Movement, which is equality for all.

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we havent finished fighting, and RACE is different than sexual orientation....

As a black man I cannot control what race I am deemed, but I can control putting my penis in another man's anus.

The anus was not created to put things in. its biology

"my first name must be, "He aint sh@t", cause everytime I come through, yall be like "He aint sh@t"!....I'll be dat" --Redman

"Anything that can go wrong, Will go wrong"----Murphy's Law

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I've never put anything in my or anyone else's anus. Can I get married now? Is that your stipulation? Stop using that as an excuse to be discriminatory. It is an inflammatory, divisive, and ill-informed statement that exposes you as the bigot you claim not to be.

http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/ediblewoman

Mr. Warbanks's picture
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the vagina was MADE for a penis

The penis was MADE for a vagina

Do I have to break it down as if you were 5?

I wish you guys would get off whether it is right or wrong. It doesnt matter. Just do what you do peacefully. Everyone has a vice.

"my first name must be, "He aint sh@t", cause everytime I come through, yall be like "He aint sh@t"!....I'll be dat" --Redman

"Anything that can go wrong, Will go wrong"----Murphy's Law

ediblewoman's picture
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And we'll get off what's right and wrong as soon as you and others like you get off what's right and wrong. Do we have no right to defend ourselves? If you really feel that way, quit posting anti-gay bulls**t like the above statements, and we''ll have no reason to post pro-gay stuff. Even my five-year-old would recognize the hypocrisy of your statement.

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Mr. Warbanks's picture
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no the act of Homosexuality is WRONG for the facts that

(I guess i'll have to say it again)

A penis was made to insert into a vagina
the same as a vagina ws made to be inserted by a penis.

If a penis is used without the end result of inserting it into a vagina it is WRONG.
If a vagina is used without the end result of that vagina being penetrated by a penis it is WRONG.

PLAIN AND SIMPLE.....no Hate.....just Facts

"my first name must be, "He aint sh@t", cause everytime I come through, yall be like "He aint sh@t"!....I'll be dat" --Redman

"Anything that can go wrong, Will go wrong"----Murphy's Law

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I guess you've never gotten a blowjob or a handjob before, then. And too bad for your girl, if you've never gone down on her.

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no I have difinitely have given and recieved, but I would not defend my actions as RIGHT, if others brought me the same rational data. I would just say as that new song by some guy says:
"You just do you, and Imma do me!"

"my first name must be, "He aint sh@t", cause everytime I come through, yall be like "He aint sh@t"!....I'll be dat" --Redman

"Anything that can go wrong, Will go wrong"----Murphy's Law

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If only you really lived by those words.

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Mr. Warbanks's picture
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how do you know what I live by?
I am a very tolerant person. I am also very tolerant of those who do not believe what I believe. I try not to make hateful arguments, and I keep personal attacks such as the one I am replying to out of my mouth/fingers.

The point of progressive thought is to OPENLY WELCOME all trains of thought even though you may not agree with them. I feel as if gay rights advocates are threatened that there are progressive minded people that still dont agree with certain opinions they share.

I mean, what other sexual orientation has its own lobbying system? Why is there even a such thing as "gay rights"......there are no "black rights" or "white rights"..........the rights of the human race are simply "civil rights" or "civil liberties"....

That is what you guys should be fighting for, NOT just the rights rights of a few million people, butthe rights of all. Maybe then people will listen

"my first name must be, "He aint sh@t", cause everytime I come through, yall be like "He aint sh@t"!....I'll be dat" --Redman

"Anything that can go wrong, Will go wrong"----Murphy's Law

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I read an interview with Barbara Smith not too long ago- "Where Has Gay Liberation Gone?" I love this quote, "Our enemies are the same. That to me is the major thing that should be pulling us together."

Barbara Smith is a human rights activist. She is a black lesbian. I agree with her in that anyone who is oppressed should stand in solidarity and fight for their rights and the rights of each other. Just from everything you said, you proved that the GBLT community is oppressed. And there is not a choice in sexuality, even if people deny theirs.

-Sonja :)
"Democracy works only when you vote. When you don't take the time to vote for the candidate you find the least offensive, you run the risk of electing the candidate you find the most offensive."

FelixFelicis09's picture

or would benefit from a lobbying system? heterosexuals don't need to lobby. pedophiles, well, i don;t think they'd want to be openly associated with that in our society. if you like doing goats, i don't think you'd really get anywhere with the gov.

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Hate to break it to you but there are such things as "black rights"

This is the way I am, if you do not like it, I apologise, but don't be naive in thinking that I will go away just because you want me to. As a wise woman once said, I am am infallible with flaws, I am ancient, I am imminent, I am just getting started.

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Other "orientations" have lobbying groups.

Perhaps you're familiar with NAMBLA? Or the furries? Or group marriage?

Read up some more and/or leave, for the sakes of all the heterosexual-only crowd here and in the rest of United States. You don't help convince people.

Go to Wikipedia, or maybe the physical library that you doubtlessly have nearby. While you're at it, look for "English for Dummies." Or ask your third-grade teacher about grammar and spelling. It's a slim chance, but maybe your linguistic skills aren't beyond saving.

I hate the word "tolerant". It implies that you are the superior being in society and you "tolerate" those you consider inferior. How would you feel if someone said they "tolerated" you based on your skin color? On your height? Maybe they don't like the fact that your eyes are too wide apart. They "tolerate" it.

It's so degrading to use that word.

You just inspired me to write an anti-anti-gay post.

Kiota's picture

"If a penis is used without the end result of inserting it into a vagina it is WRONG.
If a vagina is used without the end result of that vagina being penetrated by a penis it is WRONG."

So why aren't you talking about blowjobs, handjobs, and masturbation being wrong? O.o Why are you talking about homosexuality?

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...that our friend is a closet-case, or at least is having some serious difficulties feeling secure in his own sexuality.

Is Homophobia Associated With Homosexual Arousal?
Henry E. Adams, Lester W. Wright, Jr., and Bethany A. Lohr
University of Georgia

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He reminds me of that one guy who used to be on here to just bashed the shit out of gay marriage by quoting the Bible. I recently found his blog where he admitted to being gay and happy with it now that he has accepted that fact.

Or Warbanks is far, far out of touch and insecure with his masculinity or is it feminity(sp?).

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I called that one, too. I am not as quick as some to suggest that all homophobes are actually struggling with their own repressed homosexuality, but it is something of a giveaway for me when you meet an agressively outspoken "straight" person who seems so completely obsessed with the particulars of gay sex. After the fifth or sixth "buttsecks" comment, one really does start to wonder...

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I remember you calling that one. And I remember his utter horror at such a suggestion and I see the same from Warbanks, so it makes you think...

But I agree, the whole getting pissed about "buttsecks" is a little bit of a warning sign that he's hiding something.

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I have been with my girlfriend for 5 years now, and i am very happy. Gay people dont bother me in the street, like I've said I know gay people personally. I find it funny that the only way to combat my logical thought on the topic is by slandering my name.

I share these opinions with my mother, does that mean she's gay? How about the rest of America? Is everyone that is against homosexuality a "closet case"?

and to refresh your memory, Kiota used the word buttsecks, I just thought the spelling was creative.

If you guys want to debate anyother topic besides this one please.......I havent posted here in a week or so, Move on.

"my first name must be, "He aint sh@t", cause everytime I come through, yall be like "He aint sh@t"!....I'll be dat" --Redman

"Anything that can go wrong, Will go wrong"----Murphy's Law

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The other guy had a girlfriend of many years as well. We're not slandering your name, we're just pointing out that you are showing classic sign of denial or your insecurities in your heterosexuality.

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I thought he was married.

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Biologically its ALL wrong.....read my previous posts

"my first name must be, "He aint sh@t", cause everytime I come through, yall be like "He aint sh@t"!....I'll be dat" --Redman

"Anything that can go wrong, Will go wrong"----Murphy's Law

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...wait. You, who are not a biologist, are not a scientist, and are not even a college graduate, are claiming that YOU somehow know what is "right" or "wrong" biologically speaking?

What makes something "right" or "wrong", biologically speaking? Who on earth are you to decide that, say, masturbation (practiced by many animals and even by fetuses) is UNNATURAL?

And again, I repeat: So why aren't you talking about blowjobs, handjobs, and masturbation being wrong? O.o Why are you talking about homosexuality?

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I'll defend your right to say what you truly believe, but your data isn't rational. It's not cool how you're getting attacked yourself for your comments, but you've got to really go through the issues and form a clear opinion before you come to the blogging table. The slander has got to go. Your negative words aren't going to get you anywhere let alone get people to accept your opinion as has become abundantly clear from the responses.

Do you REALLY believe homosexuality is wrong? Search your soul.

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If a penis is used without the end result of inserting it into a vagina it is WRONG.
wow. your bladder must hate you a lot.

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That. Was. Great.

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    Oh, wow. Wait...does that mean I'm wrong to have my period? Or put in a tampon, since it's not a penis?

    That just made me think too much.

    I don't need drugs - I have genetics.

    ficticious.love's picture

    okay, I agree with the fact that homosexuality is wrong, but you're just being rude.
    why do you even care. If she wants to be with a woman, let her be with a woman. It's not your decision to make, nor does it affect you in any way.
    cool it.

    Hollywood is a place where they'll pay you a thousand dollars for a kiss and fifty cents for your soul.

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    If a vagina is used without the end result of that vagina being penetrated by a penis it is WRONG.

    Well then - where the hell do babies come from? Of all the orifices my body contains, I'm pretty sure the vagina is the best equipped to shove out a baby - and I'm pretty sure that once I'm done with that, I won't be wanting someone to penetrate there with a penis for quite a while just to be the "end result".

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    *Mother is blowing her nose. Child enters*
    Child: "Mommy, where do babies come from?"
    Mother: "From my nose, honey."
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    Ha! Another great retort! Oh this blog thread is just priceless.

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    sonja's picture
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    The penis was made for urination, procreation, and pleasure.

    The vagina is made for pleasure and having babies.

    Not every woman finds a penis in her vagina pleasurable, and not every man finds it pleasurable to have his penis in a vagina. People get pleasure from different arousals- oral, masturbation, vaginal sex, anal sex, vibrators, whatever. Pleasure is pleasure. Not to mention, sex is NOT the only aspect of homosexuality!!!!

    Your anti-gay rhetoric has apparently missed the fact that many gay men never engage in anal sex!

    -Sonja :)
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    I'm sorry...I would not know that....I am not a part of the gay community...and the remarks that "Mr. Gaypride" made about me being a "closet case"......just more personal slander thown in an absence of a real arguement.

    "my first name must be, "He aint sh@t", cause everytime I come through, yall be like "He aint sh@t"!....I'll be dat" --Redman

    "Anything that can go wrong, Will go wrong"----Murphy's Law

    Kiota's picture

    Again your hatred and ignorance are showing. You have so much animosity towards homosexuals, yet you haven't even studied them at all, you automatically make ridiculous assumptions about them. You, too, admit you've done WRONG and UNNATURAL sexual acts. Stop masturbating, stop touching your girlfriend, don't get/give oral sex. Why on earth are you concentrating on homosexuals, of all people? They don't HAVE the option of intercourse. YOU do, and you choose to do WRONG AND UNNATURAL sexual acts instead.

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    I just gave my opinion....I never said "All gay people stop now!".....i DONT CARE WHAT YOU DO, but I still feel the same way

    "my first name must be, "He aint sh@t", cause everytime I come through, yall be like "He aint sh@t"!....I'll be dat" --Redman

    "Anything that can go wrong, Will go wrong"----Murphy's Law

    Very intelligent strategy if you want to win an argument (although im sorry to say yours is baseless) you simply tell everyone youre arguing with that you're ill-informed "i wouldnt know..im not a member of the gay community", despite the fact that it was painfully obvious from the beginning of your ridiculous rant about the immorality of not having a penis in one's vagina that you have no legitimate arguments to contribute to this 'debate'.

    Plus if I am correct..... humans are the only (or one of only a rare few) species that have intercourse for pleasure..... so if we have sex for more reasons than procreation than shouldn't it be the way that would be the most pleasurable for us?? with the person (or people as the case may be) that is most pleasurable to us?

    To each their own ...

    Different strokes for different folks....

    sawaboof's picture
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    and here I thought penises were made for kicking.

    http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/sawaboof

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    -30 Rock-

    fanaile essence's picture
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    :)X

    It is one of the first places I learned about in every self-defense class I've ever taken...

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    "yeah well, fwonk"
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    Fanaile Essence

    unless you ask lorena bobbit

    blackout's picture
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    the vagina was MADE for a penis

    The penis was MADE for a vagina

    This is obviously a religiously-motivated statement (a subtle creationist reference), as science has shown that the human sex organs have evolved to be multi-purpose. Virtually all higher order animals (and especially primates) engage in sex with one another for a variety of reasons...to relieve stress, build interpersonal bonds, and yes, simply for pleasure. This is information that has been presented to you before, so I must wonder at the willful ignorance that permits you continue with this remarkably ignorant tirade.

    Everyone has a vice.

    Is bigotry yours?

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    Mr. Warbanks's picture
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    I guess.....lol

    "my first name must be, "He aint sh@t", cause everytime I come through, yall be like "He aint sh@t"!....I'll be dat" --Redman

    "Anything that can go wrong, Will go wrong"----Murphy's Law

    very well said. i'm impressed. I wonder if he'd change his tone if closeminded, intolerant people were denied civil rights.

    ldarkphoenix's picture

    who said that you had to stick your penis into a vagina?
    sex isnt just that. there are many different kinds. my father is gay, and he doesnt spend every night sticking his penis up his boyfriend's but. they do many other things together.

    Rising From The Ashes

    blackout's picture
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    we havent finished fighting, and RACE is different than sexual orientation....

    Speaking before nearly 600 people at the Palmer House Hilton Hotel,
    Coretta Scott King, the wife of the late Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Tuesday called on the civil rights community to join in the struggle against homophobia and anti-gay bias. "Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood," King stated. "This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group."
    - Chicago Defender, April 1, 1998, front page.

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    Mr. Warbanks's picture
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    repeating the same set of quotes from ONE person hardly offers anything concrete TO ME on the topic....do somemore research and maybe you can get me"out of the closet"....lmao

    "my first name must be, "He aint sh@t", cause everytime I come through, yall be like "He aint sh@t"!....I'll be dat" --Redman

    "Anything that can go wrong, Will go wrong"----Murphy's Law

    blackout's picture
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    ...of quoting the late Mrs. King. I think it is pretty unarguable that Dr. and Mrs. King were experts on the subject of civil rights, and both of them were known to have been supportive of the inclusion of LGBT rights under the mantle of the Civil Rights movement. Whether or not it convinces YOU personally is irrelevant. This example shows that the opinion that the Civil Rights movement (which was essentially started Dr. King and his wife) was meant to be inclusive, not exclusive, is reasonable. I use the King quotes because it puts such a fine point on the hypocrisy of those African-Americans who, like you, have benefited from the Civil Rights Movement, but who fail to practice the principles of that movement in their own lives.

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    Because you are offering SO much research to back up YOUR statements...

    http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/kariskoett

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    ThereWentTheWorld's picture

    The American Psychological Association is a “scientific and professional organization that represents psychology in the United States.” With over 150,000 members, the APA is the largest association of psychologists in the world (APA).
    The American Psychological Association defines sexual orientation as, “an enduring emotional, romantic, sexual or affectional attraction to another person.” Sexual orientation, according to the APA, is not a black and white issue; rather, it exists along “a continuum that ranges from exclusive homosexuality to exclusive heterosexuality and includes various forms of bisexuality.” The American Psychological Association strongly affirms that, “human beings cannot choose to be either gay or straight.” Furthermore, a person’s sexual orientation transpires, for most people, in “early adolescence” sans any previous sexual experiences. Notably, the APA states that “although we can choose whether to act on our feelings, psychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be voluntarily changed.”

    "The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." -F.N.

    I always thought as homosexuality as a choice much like any fetish or preference. Some like tall people, some like Asians, others may like chubby people, and some people may like their own sex. I don't feel that it is always genetic, but I have seen a lot of cases where it seems pretty obvious. For example, during a discussion in speech class about homosexual rights, a girl has stated that he doesn't want to be gay, and she has tried everything to change herself. I still feel that not all homosexuality is born, and that one can choose.

    It seems that you feem the need to argue over some point or another no matter what it is. Your being black is something you were born with and you can;t change it. My likeing woman is something I was born with. It just isn't something that is on the surface and can't be seen with the naked eye but argueing with you will not convince you of this. And you indulting me and others like me will not convince us that you are right. All that you do is sully yourself with negative energies. So I wish you happiness is any aspect of your life that you can find it in and hope that you are able to find a way to get rid of your anger in some more productive way than attacking people who do not deserve your judgement. Your judgement means nothing here and never will. Your acceptance is not asked for nor is it required. But may you be happy, healthy, and like I said find a way to deal with your anger.

    Aurora Australis's picture

    OMG a black nazi! How absolutely delightful! Do you have a flag?
    Because everyone knows that its wrong to discriminate people because they're black, or jewish (thankyou hitler/crusades for that lovely littel morsel) but its fine to discriminate people because, now what did you say
    Penis's belong in vaginas et cetera et cetera
    Well frankly sir, I find your very existence and stance ludicrous, and incredibly funny.
    In fact, several of us have spent the last 20 minutes, pissing our selves laughing at your misguided, mysogenistic, stereotypicallly unitelligent remarks.
    Perhaps if you were to loosesn your arm joints, crouch down, make grunting noises and throw excrement at people, then you might have more credibility, but other than that...
    I'm afraid there's no room for you in the modern world.
    Go back to 1953 where you belong.
    Ta ta

    This is the way I am, if you do not like it, I apologise, but don't be naive in thinking that I will go away just because you want me to. As a wise woman once said, I am am infallible with flaws, I am ancient, I am imminent, I am just getting started.

    I love it! Too true... too perfect... too honest! And maybe its just me but there are still times when it blows my mind that people of such ignorance are still out there walking erect!

    Libertarianism_is_not_libertine's picture

    The government remains neutral on the subject. Marriage isn't its business. It's a familial institution for alliance and a personal institution for emotional, exclusive sexual, and ultimately spiritual gratification. No government need be involved.

    blackout's picture
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    Both historically and in our current system, marriage is inherently a contract between the State and the citizens who enter into the marriage. Many people attach additional qualities to that arrangement, but the basic institution does not require any exclusive familial, emotional, sexual or spiritual components. Those are personal decisions that belong solely to the couple. The irrelevancy of the religious component especially can be seen plainly in the existing instutution by observing the validity of what is commonly called a "justice of the piece" marriage. The State may only legitimately govern those aspects of a marriage that involve the special legal status that marriage confers upon citizens. The rest is outside of the State's purview, and may be engaged or deleted from the realtionship based on the agreement of the directly effected parties.

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    Libertarianism_is_not_libertine's picture

    Only within the last century-and-a-half has the State seen fit to regulate marriage, which is as much to say that historical precedence is against them. Marriage worked just fine without this pointless government intervention and preferential treatment.

    State "marriage" began as a way to control interracial marriage, and needs to be done away with, as it continues that primitive way of thinking.

    As an aside: A justice of the peace is not necessary for a marriage to be valid. If a couple cohabits, then traditional British Common Law (which was the basis for the Constitution, from what I understand) takes over. No State necessary.

    blackout's picture
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    You make a good point concerning Common Law marriages, but it is factually incorrect to say that "only within the last century-and-a-half has the State seen fit to regulate marriage." In fact, it is only since the tenth century (or thereabouts) that the chruch first got into the marriage biz. In Ancient Greece for example, marriages were arranged by contract, and even the Code of Hammurabi contained an extensive collection of marital statutes relevant to the regulation of the marital contract by the State. Honestly, the Libertarian in me is always attacted to the idea of taking marriage out of the hands of the government, but from a practical and historical perspective, it really just doesn't seem like a reasonably feasible option to pursue.

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    Libertarianism_is_not_libertine's picture

    I was wrong on that count. Thanks for the correction.

    Feasibility is almost irrelevant. Pragmatism is Statist.

    This would be fine if there wasn't anti LBGT movements in washington dc. In a world without prejudice, your libertarian 'do-nothing' approach might be perfectly effective. Its obvious federal government must be involved in civil rights issues (we learned this from things like the Jim Crow laws enacted by states to oppress people) to prevent discrimination by states and local communities by law in order to ensure equality and civil rights for those being denied them.

    Libertarianism_is_not_libertine's picture

    So you don't want people with conviction to attempt to change things for what they perceive will be better?

    Or am I reading a straw man into this?

    Regardless, the states are bound to obey the federal Constitution as well (read the illegally-passed 14th Amendment).

    Nowhere in the Constitution is mentioned matters of sex, race, sexual preferences, etc. Reading the 10th Amendment will tell you that powers regarding any issue not mentioned in the Constitution are left to the States, or to the people. The States, having no legitimate authority over churches, have no regulatory powers over marriage.

    Or, if you're more of a "marriage is a familial contract," then standard contract law applies. No excess legislation required.

    Even as a contract between two people, no excessive legislation is required.

    blackout's picture
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    ...I feel the need to respond to this.

    So you don't want people with conviction to attempt to change things for what they perceive will be better?

    What do you mean, exactly, when you refer to "people with conviction attempt[ing] to change things," and "better" for whom? Citizens possess their basic rights as individuals, and as such those rights are not generally subject to infringement based on the will of the majority. The concept of individual rights is (or is at least supposed to be) a fundamental principle behind the Libertarian philosophy.

    Regardless, the states are bound to obey the federal Constitution as well (read the illegally-passed 14th Amendment).

    "Illegally-passed?" Now you're sounding less like a Libertarian, and more like a Neo-Confederalist. The ratification of the Post-Civil War Amendments (such as the the 14th Amendment) were certainly irregular, due to the unique set of circumstances of the Reconstruction Period, but to suggest that these Acts were illegal is not really accurate. The question of legality was legitimate, but it is a question that our Supreme Court has answered, repeatedly and consistently, and most specifically in the case of Coleman v. Miller (1939).

    Nowhere in the Constitution is mentioned matters of sex, race, sexual preferences, etc. Reading the 10th Amendment will tell you that powers regarding any issue not mentioned in the Constitution are left to the States, or to the people.

    Actually, the 10th Amendment doesn't say anything about "issues." What is says is:

    "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

    "Powers," are generally defined, while "issues" are assigned applicability under certain powers though the process of constitutional interpretation, which is of course the purview of the Supreme Court of the United States. Specifically, the question of marriage, for instance, falls under the power to make laws effecting the "general welfare" (from http://www.usconstitution.net//const.html>Article I, Section 8). This interpretation is further supported by the observation that Marriage is first and foremost a form of Contract whose obligations the States are specifically prohibited from imparing under the "Powers prohibited of States" (Article I, Section 10).

    Now, I grant that prior to the passage of the 14th Amendment, this interpretation is less clear (though still valid from a strict constructionalist point-of-view), but after that Amendment became Law, that lack of clarity was completely resolved. As such, the SCOTUS has consistently ruled that while marriage statutes are generally instituted at the level of the State, the basic civil right of marriage is possessed by all citizens, thus subjecting those statutes to the Judicial Review of the SCOTUS (c.f. Loving v. Virginia (1967), Skinner v. Oklahoma (1942), etc.)

    The States, having no legitimate authority over churches, have no regulatory powers over marriage.

    Perhaps I am misunderstanding you here, but you seem to be suggesting that the marriage has some sort of unique historical or legal origin as a religious institution. This is factually incorrect on both counts. The recognition of purely civil marriage contracts (presided over by Justices of the Peace rather than a minister or priest) has been a consistent part of Early American History since the original settlement of our Puritan forefathers (who utterly rejected the idea that marriage was a religious sacrament). I am aware of no point in the history of our nation at which it was universally required for a religious officiant to certify a marriage, however common that certification may have been in practice. Further, there is not to the best of my knowledge any serious suggestion that churches would be effected in any way be regulated to participate in the practice of marrying couples of the same-sex. That decision would be (as it is now) left to the members of the individual sects.

    Or, if you're more of a "marriage is a familial contract," then standard contract law applies. No excess legislation required.
    Even as a contract between two people, no excessive legislation is required.

    On this, I essentially agree. Whatever else a marriage might be to any individual, couple or sectarian group, the only consistent element of the marital institution which can legitimately be applied to all such arrangements, regardless of circumstance is the recognition of a special legal status that is entered into as a contract between the affected parties. Whether one is married by a priest, or a justice of the priest, or simply though the mutual affirmation and demonstration of a common-law arrangement, the legitimate role of the government ends at the recognition and enforcement of the pre-agreed upon contractual obligations of the affected parties.

    TTFN,
    percivale

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    Yes, I've changed my username from "percivale" to "Blackout." Go here if you want to know why.

    So marriage was originally institued by God with the creation of Adam and Eve. So God told us what marriage was way before goverment was even thought of. Goverment as taken a thing that was created by God, and since it was accepted by everyone placed it as an institution in government. So when the government changes marriage they are changing something that was created by God, and everything that God creats is perfect, so they are making something that was perfect imperfect.

    What are you telling the thousands of men and women who are physically, emotionally, and even spiritually connected and/or attracted to people of the same sex? That God only wants straight people to be in a loving, monogamous relationship? To deny marriage to gay men and women denies them, if they ARE Christians, as I am myself, the right to be a part of that sacriment which God put in place - regardless of your argument of whether or not it is SOLELY meant for a man and a woman. The first two people on earth were a man and a woman because, well, if you're a Creationist, the world did in fact have to be populated. But that isn't a good enough reason for saying homosexuality is wrong.

    Paul Mitchell
    "So vast is art, so narrow human wit" - Alexander Pope

    I agree with you whole heartedly. people use that as a means of justifying the notion that gay marriage and homosexuality for that matter is wrong.
    "God made Adam and Eve. Not Adam and Steve."
    The way I see it,if god is trully a benevolent god and he loves everyone, then homosexuals are included in that. There are not any requirements in order to recieve Gods love. people just don't understand that.

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