I grew up in the Christian Church, going from the Catholic church to Protestant (Church of God) to non-demoninational (though roughly following the same views as Protestant). During my years associated with the Christian Church, I came across more and more....outrageous claims, particularly when dealing with other religions, from the people that were supposed to be teachers of the children and teens. Here, at ProgressiveU, I've noticed that there are a lot of people who have clearly stated their dedication to Jesus and the Christian God. I, therefore, have some questions for you. These aren't just more questions about the Bible or God's claims or Jesus' claims. They've been done a million times. These are questions about the people that consider themselves Christian.*
1. What Is This "Satanic Music" You Speak Of?
This one comes from a recent post from w8sted who was talking about drifting away from his religion and that a mission brought him back. It's all well and good, but one of the things he mentioned doing before he went back was listening to "Satanic music."
What is that? Metallica? Manson? Elvis? What makes an artist or song Satanic?
Probably the best example Christians use is Manson, thanks to his...shocking...display in his videos and on stage. Have you ever looked at the lyrics, though? They're typically about things like being an outcast or not following the stereotype/crowd. One is about a person with depression and how she comes from a "perfect world" and should be happy, but really isn't and how the meds have basically made her a shell. And Manson himself? Very well-spoken, very respectful, even when reporters/interviewers are obscenly rude to him.
Also, do you consider Edgar Allen Poe satanic? Or Emily Dickenson? These are people who have written morbid, dark works that, in some cases, put some of today's dark works to shame, and these are considered some of the greatest writers of all time.
2. Christianity vs Pagan Religions
The very nature of Christianity as a religion isn't very tolerant of other religions. That's pretty obvious when the religion is based around an eternal afterlife instead of this life, which makes sense. The problem I have here is the way other religions were portrayed by my "teachers," particularly Wicca and other Pagan/Neo-Pagan religions.
The biggest thing I've seen emphasized is sacrifices.
Now, let's start with history. Almost all the Pagan religions performed sacrifices, some of which were human sacrifices, though oftentimes crops or animals. However, Christianity in the early (primarily pre-Christ) days also had sacrifices, again primarily crops and animals.
Now, in current times, almost all countries consider killing of another human to be murder (this includes sacrifices). Most religions, save some of the more exreme ones in generally isolated areas, have also put a stop human sacrifices.
Yet there were several videos regarding neo-pagan religions performing ritual sacrifice on a regular basis (one especially morbid one was regarding the reasoning against Halloween). I have also met people who claimed to have participated in such sacrifices when involved with what they called witchcraft.**
There's a problem, here, though. The "golden rule" (so to speak) and prime philosophy of Wicca is "an ye harm none, do what ye will." Ye harm none, hmm...sounds like they're against hurting others, don't you think? Wouldn't human sacrifice be considered harming others? I know several practicing Witches (and Druids, and several other members of neo-pagan religions), all of which shun the idea of sacrifice in general, much less human sacrifice.
Where are these claims current Christians have about non-Christians coming from?
3. What's Up With These "Holy Wars"?
There was a line in a movie (I forgot the name) that went something like "as long as there is only one, true God, there will be killing in His name." Considering the chaos that is the Middle East, it's pretty accurate, don't you think?
But wait a minute, one of the Ten Commandments states "Thou shalt not kill." Um...doesn't war equal killing? What makes declaring war on a country or group because they don't believe in the same God as you any better than declaring war over land, oil, or money? Killing is still killing. Even the Bible teaches that "the wages of sin is death" and that all sin is equal, be it stealing, lying, adultery, or murder.
These are just some of the questions that have been plaguing me for some time now. I've had others, but they're typically just passing thoughts.
*I know that not all Christians think this way, but there are enough that do that have prompted me to write this.
**Witchcraft and witches, in my experience, are practices and practioners of the Wiccan religion. My definition of witchcraft is not the same as theirs.



All of your points are very good. I grew up in a Christian school, and i left when i got to my 9th grade year. I hated it there because of the people. They were VERY hypocrtical and VERY judgemental. I also grew up in church..where you walk in and everyone starts talking about you because of what you're wearing or that you missed a day last week. The whispers to each other, but then the fake smile when they have to come face to face.
During my time in school i didn't learn much about other relgions. Since i have been away from that school i have learned ALOT. (and the little information i did learn from before was mostly innacurate). I love learning about other relgions and beliefs. It amazes me at the people that are so quick to judge and have no idea what they are talking about.
I do consider myself a Christian; however, i do not believe everything i was taught, nor do i become closeminded to other beliefs. I believe in God (The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) and i believe i am going to Heaven. Whatever someone may or may not believe, it is their choice. I love hearing about other beliefs and non beliefs, even though i am strong in my own beliefs.
I also listen to metallica and whatever else. Music's message is mostly what you make it to be. And if there is something i don't like, then i just won't listen to it. But if you like it, then that is your choice.
I'm nowhere close to perfect and i am well aware of that. I am a Christian, just different from some. Not every Christian is a hyprocrit. No one is perfect, but i do try to have a very open mind, especially when it comes down to relgion. So in one sense, i agree with you, but not EVERY single Christian acts and thinks like that.
Over the course of history, there has been more killing in the name of god than for any other reason. Sort of throws that commandment out of the water. George Calin put it best when he said, "Thou shalt try really hard not to kill except when someone prays to a different invisible man than you."
Nicholas Aden
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It is a common and popular contemporary misunderstanding that the commandment is "Thou shalt not kill." The commandment is very clearly in both Exodus 20:13 and Deuteronomy 5:17 "You shall not murder." Murder is an unlawful killing of another human being. If it were "Thou shalt not kill." Then the killing of another person in self-defense and the defense of others would also be wrong. This would mean you could kill the guy with a gun to your mother's head. Big difference. War does not count either.
"The verb רָצַח (ratsakh) refers to the premeditated or accidental taking of the life of another human being; it includes any unauthorized killing (it is used for the punishment of a murderer, but that would not be included in the prohibition). This commandment teaches the sanctity of all human life. See J. H. Yoder, “Exodus 20,13: ‘Thou Shalt Not Kill’,” Int 34 (1980): 394-99; and A. Phillips, “Another Look at Murder,” JJS 28 (1977): 105-26." - Bible.org
That's the footnote to Exodus 20:13
War is still, then, considered murder, since it is the premeditated taking of the life of another human being.
Besides, why shouldn't war count? Again, I ask: what makes a "holy war" different from a war over land, food, or oil?
-- quis custodiet ipsos custodes?