i want to rewrite about why i believe that the nazi weren't evil. look, in my psychology class today, the professor was talking about milgram experiments. Miligram learns that many of the people who enage in the torture didn't think that they themselves was bad people. infact, people are naturally good but because they didn't question the authority figure they electrify the students. milgram theorize that people don't turn into a monster overtime and many of these people even flat out refuse to believe that they are monster but they continue to behave in an evil way because they of the authority figure in their rooms.
why i am trying to said was that the germen weren't bad people or else they would had kick out the nazi. many germen who lived during ww2 even said today that they didn't believe it was so bad under the reign of the nazi. these germen never intended to kill the jews because they truely are too good for it. it was only the leader in charge that allow the process to continue. many of the germen even taught that the nazi were helping the jews. you have to believe what it is like to be poor and unemployed during the great depression with inflation extremely high and losing a war. many of the germen wanted to blame someone and the nazi told them to blame the jews for everything that went wrong in their life. the nazi convince the germen that it was the jew who caused them to lose in ww1, it was the jew who are controlling the media, economy, et al. so many of the germen didn't really care what happen to the jew thus making it okay to them for the nazi to treat them however they like.
calvinism is the belief in the free will, in which people have the free will to behave and do as they please. i believe that these germen who knew about the extermination of the jews had the free will to kick the nazi out but chose not to do so because the nazi weren't as horrible as everyone thought they were. SO, what do you think, do you believe that the germen had the free will to kick the nazi out of their government or were they so obidence to authority that were willing to set aside their conscious. Free will (calvinism) or authoritarian (Milgram).
that is why i compare it to the united states. many right winger had the free will to be against the invasion of iraq and the lost of civil liberties or do the right winger obedence to authority had blindsided them into allowing the destruction of democracy? do we as the american people have the free will to be against the continues lost of democracy or are we too obidience to the authority figure and allowing them to take away our civil liberties.
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You just know that killing a million people wasn't wrong?
How old are you?
What is going through your mind?
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I was asking the same thing.
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I used to question the same thing. But I realized that Hitler was the guy behind everything. Most Germans at the time did what they were told out of FEAR. If you were a German and you helped a Jew...I think you might get some sort of punishment. They might even kill you. Some Germans were brain washed by Hitler thinking that Jews were to blame for everything. There were many uneducated people back then. If you learn psychology, you see how obedient humans can be.
Try reading about Milgram's experiment here:
http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/psychology/milgram_obedience_experiment.h...
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Any consensus regarding why "most" Germans did what they did would be questionable. Hitler's influence carried a lot of weight with the Germans due to mass histeria which requires a large percentage of the population being in whole hearted compliance to achieve. I read the linked piece on Milgram's experiment, and I think I understand how it is relevant in that people will defer their own morality to authority, the more real or less abstract the authority becomes. I think that the Germans found empowerment, as people often do by taking the third option of the fight or flight instinctual response to fear. Of which I am sure nationalistic revalry provided both the fear and the third option for. So I guess I have managed to contradict myself but in doing so I still manage to make a point.
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Can anyone define a nazi? When we think of it today we think of jew haters and people who create death camps but if it weren't for Hitler it might have been something completely different-maybe even good but I think that what happened was that people assumed that Hilter was promising one thing and then once this thing got rolling Hitler's followers were afraid and went along with it. Although that still doesn't expalin why they didn't admit what they did was wrong. They just claimed that they didn't know that these camps existed. I read a book once about how a school simulated this experience and it went out of hand. What was that book called? NAyone? Or the name of the school? Shows the power of suggestion how easily people are lead astray.
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There was the Stanford Prison Experiment which was a"classic psychology experiment" conducted in 1971 at Stanford University. It wasn't about Naziism, but fits the other criteria you mentioned.
You might do well to consider that Hitler was playing role more than fulfilling any unique destiny. His imprisonment at Landsberg Castle in Munich were he wrote Mein Kampf, was what he considered to be a "free education at the state's expense." (Find phrase in parenthesis at link) Without Hitler history wouldn't have changed much.
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It is true that the Nazi party helped Germany out of a depression, and helped with the creation of jobs, but the National Socialist Workers Party, or Nazi Party, was founded on the ideals of racial purity. They did bad things to their own citizens, not just Jews, Gypsys, homosexuals, Jehovas Witnesses and many other peoples. So, Hitler was not the problem, it was the ideals that the party was founded on that helped create attrocities. My great uncle was so disgusted after he was released from the Luftwaffe that he left Germany and moved to Canada, not once in his life did he talk about what he did or saw. I understand this is your opinion, but we must be careful when we try to find the goodness in evil. Sure the economy improved, but it was because jobs were created and given to Aryan people. Statistics can look good on paper, but when looking at the sociological underpinnings, you gain better understanding.
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Do you know any websites where I can read about the psychology of humans and why so many followed Hitler? I want to know.
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I don't know sites in particular, but look up things like the Stanford Prison Experiment, groupthink, and human obedience experiments (one in particular is where a "student" is supposed to memorize random sequences and the "teacher" pushes a button that supposedly sends electricity through the "student's" body; the "teacher" is told to keep doing it, no matter what the "student" does) and you'll surely find your answers. Most high school and college books will have information on those topics as well, if you can get your hands on them from a library or friend.
Also, many people didn't know the horrors of the concentration camps, since almost none came out alive before outside intervention and they were cut off from outside communication. Anything the families received were lies. Postcards that supposedly showed that the person/people at the camps were actually having a good time at the beach or somewhere else.
Hitler was also a very, very good public speaker. His ability to motivate his audience rivals that of Martin Luther King Jr. The difference, though, is that Hitler had devastating and deadly motives. He was able to convince the public of anything he wanted through graphic, emotion-filled speeches (according to Wiki, he was also basically a walking PETA ad, trying to get people to shun meat by graphically describing the slaughter of animals in an attempt to disgust them).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Oratory_and_rallies
-- quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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"Also, many people didn't know the horrors of the concentration camps, since almost none came out alive before outside intervention and they were cut off from outside communication."
That is not true. The nazis relocated the prisoners all the time and they had to march their way barefoot through the snow. That is also a situation Elie Weisel describes, and he noted that passersby saw and yet did nothing. They lied that they didn't know ebcause they were afraid of what would be done to them.
Also, where are you getting all this stuff about hitler trying to get people to not eat meat and postcards? Cite your sources please.
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Note the link at the bottom of my comment. You'll find the information about him being a vegan there (the link actually goes specifically to it).
As for the postcards, that's something I remember from one of the many times I studied the Holocaust in high school, so unfortunately, I can't supply a link there. The postcards weren't be-all, end-all, but they planted the seed of doubt that something deadly was actually happening, which is all that's necessary.
Another thing I found--You have to keep in mind, too, that the Holocaust actually started in the early 1930s with Hitler rising to power. The whole thing is actually a slow process, starting with putting the Jews in Ghettos and slowly restricting their rights and ability to function in society. It wasn't widely known the lengths that Hitler was going to until 1943 or so when he started implementing the Final Solution, or the death camps, Auschwitz II, Treblinka, and others that were designed specifically for gassing a large number of people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
Say what you want about Wikipedia, but both articles I've linked have over 100 sources and is probably one of the best central locations for that kind of information. It beats the hell out of digging for 6 or more hours to find the exact same information, especially when the purpose is to reply to a comment.
Now, let's see your sources, where you get the information that the Jews were "paraded from camp to camp."
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Actually, this is one of the reasons I don't like wikipedia. I had to write a paper proving the Holocaust happened, and some of the things I found on wikipedia could not be linked back to a single educational source, particularly the specifics of the gas chambers.
I actually like the Jewish Virtual Library. It has a lot of first hand documents, and I could find a second and third source for everything I used in my paper that's on the site...
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/holo.html
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I completely agree with that qoute. Good balances evil. America could have stopped this, they could have been the good guys but they were afraid to get involved, tried to stay neutral...left it to the russians to conquer evil...if America got involved sooner then they could have saved the mass execution of millions of people.
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Please. That is the lamest argument ever. I am assuming English is your second language, but that doesn't affect your logic skills. The Nazi party was founded on good ideas and bad ideas. They weren't all evil, however to say that something like the holocaust was fine because if it hadn't been the Germans wouldn't have let it happen is ludicrous. The basis by which an act is judged evil or wrong is not the reaction of the people nearest that act. Most Germans didn't understand the extent of the Holocaust anyway. They thought that the Jews were in concentration or work camps, not being systematically pushed in to ovens.
America did the same thing with Japanese-Americans, even though German-Americans showed far more anti-American interest. That was an evil, racist thing to do.
Your attitude is what perpetuates evil. You are the epitome of the good German. Authority tells you something and the people around don't seem to object so you go along with it.
The invasion of Iraq likewise has little in common with the Nazi party's treatment of the Jews. Rounding up German citizens because of ethnic background is much, much different from invading a nation half way around the world. Not all things the government does can be justified by the fact that there are good people involved in it. The good people may be too few or too quiet and then evil still happens.
Res ipsa loquitur.
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You said: "America did the same thing with Japanese-Americans, even though German-Americans showed far more anti-American interest. That was an evil, racist thing to do."
DO NOT COMPARE the japanese american internment camps. The purpose of the camps was safety, although I must admit that it wasn't the best idea to go about it. YEs it was uncomfortable and unfair but the purpose of the camps was not to ELIMINATE AN ENTIRE RACE AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT IS DIFFERENT!
HOw can you say that? The Germans knew. They lied about saying they didn't know. The JEws were often paraded from one camp into another. The German villagers saw how bone thin they were, they saw how there being beaten, they knew.
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It is the exact same principal. It is only a matter of degrees removed from the Jewish concentration camps. Belongings were abandoned, destroyed or stolen, families were forced to move in poor conditions, and a few were even killed.
This at the same time as many German-Americans were marching in the street in support of the Fatherland and while many Japanese-Americans were clamoring to join the war effort. They were "yellow men" who couldn't be trusted so those who couldn't move from the Pacific Coast were moved in to camps.
Whenever any government targets a single race or ethnic group for concentration and detention they do major harm to those involved and mark their racial identity. No, we didn't slaughter them, and we even did our best to feed them in most cases, but the general principals and ideals that lead to the actions are the same. The majority of the German people thought that that's what was happening to the Jews. They didn't know they were being slaughtered. We were two steps away from the same thing as the Nazis.
That kind of national zeal for xenophobia is the same no matter how it manifests. They are comparable acts, though not identical.
Res ipsa loquitur.
memento mori, mahalo.
"Patriotism is often an arbitrary veneration of real-estate above principals."
OK. By your 'logic' there would never have been any evil regimes, people good people would have spoken out. Since I find it hard to believe anyone is that stupid, I can only conclude you are trying to get some ideas for a school essay. So because I am a kind and good person, here are a few examples which disprove your theorem.
But please try another method in future because your post would be a crime in some jurisdictions. I really do hope you understand why.
Nazis. Good people spoke out . And got murdered.
French terror. Good people spoke out. And got murdered.
England (just a selection)
A) Feudal oppression
B) Religious oppression
C) Corn laws and post Napoleonic military state
Good people spoke out. And got murdered.
Franco, Salazar,Galtieri, Amin, Pinochet. Good people spoke out and got murdered/disappeared.
If I tried to make the list complete I'd be here all night.
Is this what public education has provided us?
nazis aren't evil because they weren't overthrown by the people?
listen, you may think you have a bright thought . . . . but you are woefully mistaken. You don't know how good you have it here since you don't live in a world of fear. You don't have to show papers to move from one city to the next, you don't have to live with the daily fear of doing something that someone might report as not "faithful to the Fatherland" . .. so that YOU didn't end up in some dark prison. Or worse.
Hitler and the Nazis disarmed the populace so that the only armed people were the soldiers and police. When that happens, citizens turn into subjects and can be easily frightened into obeying.
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So true. Sure, he can say this now because he lives in America where he can go to all you can eat buffets and can shove fries and burgers in his mouth without fear of tomorrow. But he would be singing a different tune if he was a Jew in a concentration camp. This is a mockery to all Jews. How can he say such a thing?
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But it's wrong to be using this analogy. No matter how bad America is, it really isn't as bad as Nazi-era Germany. The Nazis were thugs who would literally beat up and kill fellow Germans who disagreed with them. There are no such people in America today. The Nazi invasion of Europe is just not comparable to the American invasion of Iraq. To say you're part of the extreme, extreme left is probably an understatement.
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Thank you, I agree. Its wrong to say that we are more evil by invading Iraq and deposing Saddam Hussein when he enforced genocide!
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The Nazi Party, with Hitler as the leader, provided Germany with a plan to once again make Germany a major power in the world stage. You need to understand the state of Germany after World War I. The economy was in shambles, the government was very weak, the entire country seemed to be collapsing in on itself. Then, Hitler (among others) provided the German people with an idea- it wasn't their fault, it was the Jews. Or the homosexuals. Or the insane. Whoever seemed convient at the time. Basically, the Nazis provided a scape-goat and perputated the idea of Aryan supremacy, an idea very palatable to the common person.
Also, as stated above, check out Milgram's experiement.
I admire your ability to question and your apparent grasp of Locke's idea of a social contract. However, I encourage you to consider ALL factors. And please rethink your position- the Nazis did help German economy, but that does not excuse genocide; genocide, in my humble opinion, is inexcusable.
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I like your comment. Its true, and in some ways it is America's fault. We imposed penalties on them on top of leaving their country in shambles and didn't leave a leader behind. Naturally, a leader stepped up who was mad about it and he was a bad one. We could have prevented it. This is why it is stupid to say lets pull out of Iraq. The same thing will happen. We crushed their gov, now its time to rebuild.
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I believe it was the French and the other Europeans that imposed the heavy penalties on the Germans at the 1919 Treaty of Versailles. America was arguing against them. President Wilson's 14 Point Plan was much less punitive.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles.
The worst we were guilty of was not arguing forceably enough. But, while our forces tipped the balance of the War against the Germans, we were a johnny come lately compared to the other Europeans who suffered far more horribly as a result of German aggression. We lacked the moral authority to make a very strong argument.
We were hardly a world power in those days and the nature of our politics was very isolationist. Americans mainly just wanted to get out of Europe and go home.
Wow...
I'm utterly speechless.
The Nazi era was probably the worst in history. Yeah, I can agree with you on the fact that maybe not EVERY single nazi solder was evil, but they still supported a evil idea. That evil idea, if you have forgotten, was wiping out an entire religious group of people. I can understand every solder must follow their leader's orders, but still... if you kill a man, that's wrong.
Now, Hitler in a sense was a very good leader. But, that good ends, because he was a crazy lunatic. He knew how to run a government and it's obvious that his speeches and ideas had gotten through an entire country and was accepted among them. Maybe, there was a small group of Germans who didn't agree.. but you need more than a small group to successfully rebel, don't ya?
I mean, ya I live in America and I can tell you I've met more than 3 dozen people that do not agree with the Iraqi war, but still Bush does not want to end it. I can only imagine what Germany was like back then, but regardless... Nazis did evil, maybe they weren't evil, but that does erase the fact that they did evil.
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wAit, how did bush come in to this?? What does he have to do with nazis? You are not acutaly COMPARING, are you??
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HELOOOO!!! THEgermans WERE nazi!
Not all Germans were Nazis. The Nazis were a political party.
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Thanks for the correction. Thats what I meant.
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did anyone ever teach you that killing was wrong.Did you know that that is not cool.i dont care if you are the ruler of the world and the heavens and hell,U HAVE NO RIGHT TO KILL ANYONE.how would u like if someone did that to you???????????????????????think if it was your family.how old are you.ARE U MENTALLY ILL.i think sooooooooooooooooo
I applaud your objectivism.. For which to my rating I added one point. As an excercise in objectivity, I give you another point for tackling a group that popularly receives no empathy. And one point for compositional style. If people write about progressive stuff they usually get two points on that from me though.
I seriously do appreciate you trying to think outside of the box (assuming you aren't a Nazi). From the onset the Germans weren't envisioning mass graves and gas chambers or for that matter any oppression of the Jews, even that was gradually evoked as the Germans became more demoralized by becoming more aware of being alienated by the rest of the world. Whipped into mass hysteria, they bought into what Hitler was selling them, his own delusions of grandeur..
Your analogy of Germany compared to the US is well taken with me.
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I don't get what your user picture means about candles having more energy. What does that mean?
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In terms of physics, the energy produced by a burning candle is greater over the time it takes for the candle to burn in it's entirety is greater than the energy produced by an exploding hand grenade. I like the analogy of the gradual illumination of knowledge producing more energy than the sudden destructive force of, well, sudden destructive force.
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Interesting.
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It is not objective to call evil "good."
It is not objective to call evil 'not evil'
It is equivocation to compare the World War 2 Germans to the United States.
Equivocation that is wholly ignorant of history and very dangerous.
lgrf4evr (the original poster) used the word good referring to people when he spoke of the Germans, which, and maybe you have to be somewhat liberal to understand this, invokes the notion that people are inherently neither good nor evil. lgrf4evr seems to be opting for the other extreme of the less than objective propagandized historical perspective ie; “the Germans were evil people.”
What you said about “equivocation” is pure BS. To assume that the citizens of the US are immune to falling into the same moral abyss as WW2 era Germans is “wholly ignorant” and “very dangerous.”
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And to compare the United States with Hitler's Nazi Party is wholly evil and wrong.
It is ignorant of history.... in NO way are we remotely similar to Hitler's Nazi party, except in the dreams of anarchists and liberals..... who hope and pray that we become like the nazis of world war 2, so that their whining can become 'justified' so that they can be 'proven right' . . .
I often hear that the United States is like 'nazi germany' . . .. yet they can never explain how.
so, like I did up above for another poster, I'll extend it to you:
How, specifically, citing examples, is this country like nazi germany?
What rights, specifically, citing examples, have you lost under the current Administration?
Uhh.. the fascist tendency to be anti-liberal
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Wait... so unless I'm a liberal, I'm a fascist?
heh.
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Well, according to Michael Savage liberals are fascists. Not necessarily my view, but it is definitely his.
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WE need to clear up a few things. How, exactly, are you guys managing to even mention liberals/anarchists as nazis? The nazis were far from anarchy! Look at their complex style of organization and their organization of the party. Hitler seated himself as the king, which is more like a monarchy than anarchy.
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Yes, thank you. I would like examples as well. Its all talk but no one bothers to show any proof.
Also, you said
"except in the dreams of anarchists and liberals..... who hope and pray that we become like the nazis of world war 2"
WhAT??! Anarchists and liberals are not all nazis and why would they pray that we become like nazi germany?>
I think no country is immune to it. Historians say that during the great depression, our country was so dependent and so low that Roosevelt could have practically made himslef a king. It is a miracle that monarchy didn't establish. The same happened in Germany. they were in depression and the wrong guy stepped up to the plate. What makes you think any country is immune? Maybe not now under these circumstances, but given the right circumstances it is not impossible.
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Saying that the germans were evil people is wrong. Why doesn't anyone say that the russians were evil people? They made deals with Hitler and helped with the mass execution of thousands of people. Why don't they say russians are evil people because of the mass executions that occured when communist leaders came into power? The fact is that we can not generalize here, people. Simply say the nazis were bad, or the communists were bad. Even then, define bad. Bad is not the word to do it justice.
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Define objective and equivocation. I would appreciate it if you could bring it down to simpler, less fancy terms.
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Objective is to look at something, putting aside all biasedness.
a fan talking about his football team likely isn't objective when he says that his team is 'number 1' . . .. but a conversation about that football team, comparing it to other teams using stats (yards run, touchdowns scored, stuff like that) would be an objective discussion.
Equivocation is saying that two things that are REALLY different are actually the same. This is normally done to lower the value of something good or to make something appear less evil.
In terms of this discussion, suggesting that the United States is like Hitler and the world war 2 nazis is an equivocation because the two really are NOT alike, and such a comparison is designed to either smear the united states or lift up nazi germany from world war 2 (who were responsible for the deaths of MILLIONS of people over a few short years in concentration camps)
I just posted a blog called "Do Anyone Here Know What Fascism Really Is?" I strongly recommend that you read it.