It's amazing the stuff you can learn if you really take a good look at a subject. In fact, it's almost like the walks in the woods I would take in the summertime. The deciduous trees and sparse aggregations of wildflowers were easy to spot, but when I got down on my hands and knees and started peering under rocks, a whole new world came to light. Such is my continuing enfatuation with any number of subjects, especially in light of the ping-pong-esque debates I've had on here recently; the more rocks I turn over in the search for information, the more interesting stuff there is to learn. I'm probably losing memories from my childhood, cramming all this new stuff into my brain, but somehow I can't resist. So, the question of Cain's wife is one that has continuously bothered me. Where did Cain (of Biblical infamy) get his wife from? Where there other people around or did he (shudder) marry his sister?
The question of where Cain got his wife from is one of the most common questions about the Bible, and the most common answer is that, being Adam and Eve were the first people, that Cain married his sister. How many sisters Cain had, which sister, what the age difference was, etc. isn't known, but most Christian websites I've seen on the subject (just do a search for Cain + wife + Bible on Google and you'll get an idea of how many there are) say logically Cain must have married his sister because no other females were around (other than Eve of course, and I'm sure Freud would have a field day with the relationship of the 1st mother and one of the 1st sons). Still, there's something nagging at the back of my head that the Bible mentions other people being around, so I set off in order to try and find out what the reference was and if there was any historical record.
The first thing that caught me as interesting are the verses of Genesis 4:13-14. After God discovered Cain had killed Abel and told Cain that he will be a "restless wanderer of the earth", the Bible says
13 "Cain said to the LORD, "My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me."
Hmm. Interesting. If Adam and Eve were the first humans beings, giving birth to the only other people on the planet, who is Cain talking about? If it was just his mother and father, why didn't he say "My father will kill me" instead of "whoever finds me will kill me"? To me, this suggests that there already other people in existence. Since we're not told how old Adam and Eve were when they had Cain and Abel, nor if they had more children when Cain and Abel were growing up (remember, both were old enough to farm and shepard), so it can only be assumed that Adam, Eve, Cain, and Abel were the only people alive during the time of the murder. Is it so impossible to think there could be people in other lands? Is it possible that Adam and Eve were the first of God's people (the Jews) and not for all of humanity? Is it possible that the entire story was pieced together from other religions and myths? I don't know the answer to that question, but there seems to be more to the story than can be absorbed by reading Genesis as historically accurate in plain language.
The other part of the story that intruiges me is this. God banishes Cain, and Cain goes to the "land of Nod" (or of "wandering" dependening on your translation) to live, and THEN it says he sleeps with his wife and has Enoch. The verses (Genesis 4:15-17) are as follows:
"15 But the LORD said to him, "Not so; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the LORD's presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden. 17 Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch."
So what happened? Did Cain bring his sister with him? Did he run home, avoiding his fathers presence, and steal away with his wife in the night into the wilderness? I doubt it, and it would be a pretty big omission if it did occur in such a fashion. The chronology is clear; Cain was banished, settled in Nod, and then "lay with his wife." It could be argued that Cain was married to his sister prior to his banishment, but it seems like a pretty big omission, and if Cain had other siblings the Bible leaves them out. Also of interest, according to the Wikipedia.org entry on Cain, there were a group of people called Kenites (Qayin in Hebrew, which essentially points right to Cain), and the "Mark of Cain" might have been an identifying attribute of the tribe. They might have even had a policy of avenging slain members of their tribe (the sevenfold curse on whomever harmed Cain), although this seems purely hypothetical. Speaking of the "Mark of Cain", it's interesting to know that some Christians considered dark skin to be the cursed mark and used it as a justification for racism and slavery, the most fair-skinned white men being the most pure (like Abel). This is especially interesting when one sees depictions of Cain and Abel, being Cain is often looks like a minority or has strong ethnic characteristics, but Abel is the fair-skinned Gentile Christian. Puts a whole new spin on Christian art now, doesn't it?
In any case, it seems to me that there were other people around at the time, and the story of Adam and Eve is allegory to explain the origins of one particular group of people. I could be very wrong, of course, but I simply can't accept the argument of "Cain must have married his sister because if we admit there were other people, our interpretation of Scripture falls flat, and because we must defend the Bible we can't allow for such ideas." There seems to be much more to the story than most people know, and I don't think putting blinders on is the way to go about enlightening people.




(1) You know that Adam and Eve, Cain, Abel, ... , Methuselah, Lamech, Noah etc. never actually existed and did the things that the bible literally ascribes to them, right? We know that there were archaic Homo sapiens MUCH LONGER than 6,000 years ago. We know that stone-age man had settlements at least 40,000 and probably as long ago as 75,000 years ago or longer. From your previous writings I am sure you know and accept this (or at least the gist of this). Yet on the surface this post seems to be granting historical legitamacy to Cain. So I will assume you are trying to harmonize the story for biblical literalists.
(2) As a harmonization for biblical literalists, you have some problems. In Genesis 2:4b-7 says that God made the first man (Adam) before there were any plants on the earth. This already is in direct conflict with the creation account of Genesis 1.
But from a philosophical standpoint, based on my experience of talking with biblical literalists, the biggest problem you would have in your harmonization is that for them, Adam and Eve HAVE to be the progenitors of ALL humans. Otherwise, they could not have passed on their acquired defect caused by original sin (their disobeyal of God not to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil). The idea of original sin is important to MANY biblical literalists since they say that without it, we would not be born into sin. And therefore Jesus's sacrifice on the cross would be meaningless, since at our birth we would have no sin to be absolved of.
The bible suggests that Cain was Adam and Eve's first born. IIRC Adam was 130 years old when Seth was born. The bible also suggests that Seth was born after Cain was exiled. So Cain had to be born, grow up and tend his fields before then. If Adam and Eve was the progenitors of all humans then during that period who could Cain have married other than a sister? Biblical literalists justify this by claiming that God made Adam and Eve perfect. There was no bad genetic mutations at that time so marrying one's sister back then did not present the same problems it might today.
As you point out though, Cain was worried about being killed by others when sent into exile. What others? Your answer, that God had made other people elsewhere solves that problem but has the problems listed above. Biblical literalists have the problem of coming up with a reasonable alternative explanation. Frankly, I don't know what they would come up with, but I'll play devil's advocate and come up with one of my own.
Cain was well-aware that he had the potential to live a long time (almost a thousand years). He knew that Adam and Eve would have many other children. He knew that eventually he would meet up with them and they would try to kill him. That is what he was referring to in the passages you quote.
While that explanation is certainly not totally satisfying, is it more satisfying to biblical literalists than yours? I suspect it would be, but ... hey, who knows? You'll have to ask them.
Regards,
Darwins Beagle
Thanks for the insightful comments! Yes, in this post I was making assumptions so that I didn't wind myself up too much. Many of the Genesis characters I look up usually have some other, previous tribal myth attributed to them, but in this case I was just saying "Ok, assuming that these people actually existed"... I do think that in some cases there may have been an actual person associated with the mythology at the roots, but there's really no evidence to prove things one way or another other than the circular argument of "The Bible is true because the Bible says the Bible is true" for the earliest people mentioned in Genesis.
I don't expect Biblical literalists to agree with my idea at all, actually. I just wanted to pick out a common argument and point out the holes in it, or at least the parts that are not discussed. You're correct about the birth-order issue as well, which is why I discussed the possibility of other people being around. I just find it intruiging that (assuming the creationist model of Adam, Eve, and Cain being the only people alive after Abel's death) why Cain says whoever will find me will kill me, referring to unborn siblings rather than "My father will kill me" or something of the like. My wife also brought up a point that women are typically not mentioned in the geneologies, so if Cain did have a sister, she wouldn't have been mentioned. Even then, like I said, Cain would have to run back and sneak away with her after explaining how he has to go because he killed Abel. Just waaaay too much information is not there, so I take the whole thing as a myth.
I guess in a way I was playing something of a "devil's advocate" when I started writing, assuming the creationist model, showing where it didn't work and what other possible explanation there could be (assuming these people actually existed). Too many assumptions made an ass out of me I guess, but thank you for the insightful comment and alternate hypothesis. :)
"The trouble with having an open mind is people insist on coming along and putting things in it"-Terry Pratchett
In ALL religions around the world began with incest. Why it is than thought of as a sin by some religions now is rather amusing. >.>
Well, I like your ideas, but I'll give you the Jewish interpretation of just how many others were with Cain and Abel when they were born.
First off, Cain was born before the exile from the Garden of Eden. The timeline in the OT doesn't work... whoever wrote it bounces back and forth time and time again, so this is fairly reasonable. Then...
Cain… his brother Abel Heb. אֶת קַיִן אֶת אָחִיו אֶת הָבֶל The word אֶת, is repeated three times to suggest additional things. This teaches that a twin sister was born with Cain, and with Abel were born two. Therefore, it is said: וַתֹּסֶף, and she continued, or added. — [from Gen. Rabbah 22:2, 3]
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and it seems like a really interesting topic and debate so I will come back to give my two cents after I am not starving anymore and not thirsty-basically when I have opened my fast- another 20 minutes to go
but thanks for writing something meaningful to debate on
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