I'm pretty sure this will offend somebody, and I'm happy about that. After all, enraging somebody at least forces them to think about their assumptions, and that's almost always a good thing.
Most articles these days on immigration, specifically on illegal immigration, can be placed solidly into one camp or another. Either they are insane Dobbs-style paranoid rants about how the Mexicans want to uproot our culture and take all of our good jobs, or they are equally insane rants about how we are all scum for not wanting to be more like Mexico, a country that they conveniently forget is destitute and corrupt.
As with most things the truth lies between the two extremes. Mexican immigrants certainly don't want to eliminate American culture, and the reason they are leaving Mexico for America is because Mexico mostly sucks and America is mostly a nice place to live. For the first time ever I have found and read an eloquent, logical article about the Immigration Situation. It is entitled "Do we want Mexifornia?" and it is by Victor Davis Hanson. He does not rave about the dangers of immigration or bash our culture. Instead, he makes an interesting point: immigration itself isn't a bad thing, and our culture itself isn't a bad thing. But the issue arises with the way in which we utterly fail to assimilate the new arrivals to our nation. Here are a couple of excerpts, emphasis mine:
Our schools, through multiculturalism, cultural relativism, and a therapeutic curriculum, often promote the very tribalism, statism, and group rather than individual interests that our new immigrants are fleeing from. If taken to heart, such ideas lead our new arrivals to abject failure in California. Moreover, if we were to entertain attitudes toward women that exist in Mexico, emulate its approach to religious diversity, copy the Mexican constitution, court system, schools, universities, tax code, bureaucracy, energy industry, or power grid, then millions of Mexicans quite simply would stay put where they are. Indeed, even the most pro-Mexico Mexican native in America never chooses to forgo the Western emergency room for the herbalist and exorcist in times of acute sickness or gunshot trauma. He does not complain that the American middle class is too large, the water too clean, the gasoline not adulterated, the food too abundant and noninfectious. Nor does he lament the absence of uniformed machine-gun-carrying soldiers on his block. Illegal aliens clamor for reduced tuition for their offspring at supposedly biased UC campuses, not native fellowships for them to enroll in Mexican universities. I often suggest to teachers who tell aliens that our culture is racist, exploitative, and sexist that they should live in Mexico themselves to fathom why millions are dying to obtain what they so casually dismiss.
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Some sociologists and journalists assure us that retaining this cultural umbilical cord is not injurious. Instead, we are creating a unique regional culture that is neither Mexican nor American, but an amorphous, fluid society that is the dividend on our multicultural investment. This Calexico or Mexifornia will not be a bad thing at all but something, if not advantageous, at least inevitable. So we allow illegal aliens to obtain California driver’s licenses—the foundation of all other means of legal identification—and to pay reduced in-state tuition at the University of California, thereby providing several thousand dollars in discounts not available to American citizens from out of state. Whether you break the law to reach California or immigrate legally, it makes little difference in how you drive, send your kids to college, or draw on the public services of the state.
These pundits hope privately, of course—though they do not say so publicly—that this new regional civilization will resemble San Diego more than Tijuana. And in truth, no immigrant, despite his grandiose boasts, wants to return to Mexico or anything like it, to be a Mexican in Mexico rather than in California.
It's a fascinating article and I suggest that you all go ahead and give it a read. It certainly gave me pause and made me think, and whether or not you agree with what this guy says being made to question your own assumptions and beliefs is rarely a bad thing.










I agree; 99.1% of the problems that come from illegal immigration are because the illegals feel entitled to the same rights as Americans with none of the responsibilities and the Americans failing to assimilate the immigrants like we did at the turn of the 20th century.

Nicholas Aden
Self-Promotion
Where did you get that?
I've never met an illegal immigrant who said they were entitled to every thing I had.
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"yeah well, fwonk"
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Fanaile Essence,
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It is implied when they jump the border and start taking advantage of things like our schools and emergency rooms.
How are they taking advantage of anything?
Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying I want a completely all-immigrant policy or think that we don't have a problem or whatever... But seriously? Taking advantage of our schools? What, only American citizens can do that?
No, we just starve the schools of funding and then find it as yet another excuse to blame someone else for.
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"when you have nothing else to say, "Fwonk" is always the perfect thing."
"yeah well, fwonk"
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Fanaile Essence,
A-Team Member
School funding is a state matter (the DoE is an example of how the US government is overstepping its bounds), but the immigration problems that have lead to the overflow of schools is a federal matter. Look at places with a large percentage of illegal population; they look suprisingly similar to inner city Mexico. They're not only bringing their language and culture here, which I don't mind, they're bringing their crime and poverty.
Fuck, right now, Hilary is trying to make it so illegals can get drivers licenses. Do you know what I had to do to get mine? I had to show a social security card, a birth certificate, and proof that I existed past birth (for me, a baptismal certificate). I then had to pass a written test (in English) and then a driving test (also in English). And politicians are seriously trying to GIVE licenses to illegals with none of the prerequisites that I had to have.

Nicholas Aden
Self-Promotion
Depending on the State and locale, primary education costs somewhere between $7000 and $12,000 per Student. $8000 is probably about average. When an illegal alien puts their illegal alien child in school for 13 years of a K-12 education they are essentially stealing around $104,000 from the taxpayers.
We have litterally millions of illegal alien children in our schools. It works out to tens of billions per year extra cost to taxpayers.
Most of the illegal aliens are ESL (english as a second language) learners. They require extra attention from the teachers. This is attention that is NOT available for our own native born children who are deprived of the opportunities that the taxpayers wanted them to have.
Most of the illegal aliens go to school in the poorest neighborhoods with our own native born poor. The result is that already bad schools get worse. The Americans who are most in need of a good education are the most likely to be deprived by illegal aliens.
The illegals are taking advantage of a lot and it is costing Americans a lot in a lot of different ways.
They jump the border, illegally, and then demand that they can vote, drive, work, and go to the hospital.
Now, I don't think we need to keep the immigrants out, but if your status starts with "illegal" I think you've missed the point.

Nicholas Aden
Self-Promotion
ROLF
Isn't it funny how the "they are not assimilating" crew are usually the ones coming up with these English language jewels?
Mongo
www.itsnofun.com
LOL, I know. I'm amazing when it comes to typos. Border. See, I'm not a moron.

Nicholas Aden
Self-Promotion
When I went to college in California in the late 70's and early 80's California's primary schools were the pride of the nation and its system of colleges and Universities was widely admired. The public education system was top notch.
Only 25 years later, California primary schools are now ranked somewhere around 49th out of 50th in the nation. I think mass immigration has played a big role in the destruction of the California public education system
When I lived there, California was a destination where other people in the country wanted to live. I suppose people still move there but for the past several years they have been having a net outflow of native born Americans. A lot of these people are fleeing California's oppressive taxes and among them are some of California;s most productive people. When they leave they take their businesses with them. But the population is still growing because the people leaving are being replaced by immigrants many of whom are poor and burden the California Treasury. The result is a smaller tax base and a larger population of people making demands on the treasury.
I think California is screwed. The culture of optimism and opportunity that prevailed when I lived there has been replaced by the culture of poverty and entitlement.
Congratulations to us for pissing and moaning about a problem we have been acknowledging and freaking out about for many years.
What is the solution?????
I think it would be great if we put our energies toward finding something practical, realistic, and humane that we can do about illegal immigration. This does not include building the second Berlin Wall.
If we feel this area of life is broken, let's be *progressive* and think about how to fix it!
Well, we could try and petition our corrupt government to tell them that illegals don't belong in the country until they're legal. But I don't think they understand the word "legal."
We could enforce the rules concerning hiring practices, making it damn near impossible for illegals to get jobs, thereby driving them out of the country until they've got legal documents.
We could build two walls on either side of a river of lava filled with alligators (who were immune to fire/lava).
We could trade illegals as cheap labor to the middle east for oil.
We could enforce labor laws and make it so that these damned illegals wouldn't work for less than minimum wage.
But, those are just a few suggestions.

Nicholas Aden
Self-Promotion
Or, we can trade your moaning ass, that feels entitled to everything, for a couple of hard-working Mexicans, who feel entitled to nothing.
Mongo
www.itsnofun.com
I don't feel entitled, but I do feel that you, as an illegal immigrant, should be put through the same damned ropes that I had to jump through to get the same rights and privileges. You are an example among the large population of illegals that just come here to, for example, pick oranges for $1 an hour. Now, since they're illegal, they can't complain about getting paid such a shitty wage. Now, if they were to find a way to get citizenship like a legal immigrant, these modern day slaves could be paid much better.

Nicholas Aden
Self-Promotion
The solution is simple. The vast majority of illegal aliens come here to work. We need to dry up the jobs. Employers have been making big profits by using illegal alien labor to depress wages for unskilled Americans. It is unacceptable and certainly not progressive to allow that to continue. The poorest hardworking Americans should not have to suffer so that rich employers can make bigger profits.
Enforcement needs to be consistent enough so that employers fear they will be caught and the consequences need to be severe enough so that they decide it is not worthwhile to be caught with an illegal on the payroll.
When the jobs dry up the illegals will simply uproot themselves and their families just like they did when they came here and they will self-deport. No need for any walls or mass roundups and mass deportations. No need to arrest a single illegal immigrant unless they commit some other crime. Just punish the criminals who are giving them jobs and the illegals will leave for the same reason they came. They will leave for a better life.
Jack boy,
If the American government had been that stringent with the Batista mob from Cuba as you now want it to be toward the Mexicans, where would you be now?
And by the way, how does a member of the Council of Conservative Citizens, a hate group, dare to pontiff about shit?
Mongo
www.itsnofun.com