"Do you believe in fate, Neo?"
"No."
"Why not?"
"Because I don't like the idea that I'm not in control of my life."
First of all, a little homework before you continue on--All You Zombies-- by Robert A. Heinlein. It's a fairly short story, so it shouldn't take long.
Read it? Good. Now, I've decided to post an entry about it because of a number of things: 1) someone else brought up time travel in another post and it got me into a rather heated debate with Lancekates about infinite loops; 2) ironically enough, this story and the topic of time travel was part of this week's lecture for my Science Fiction class; 3) doing my homework on it really got my mind going about infinite loops and why I don't think time travel will be possible until the far distant future.
Let me first say that I feel that time travel, in some way, is completely possible. If it's possible in the way that Science Fiction portrays it, though, I don't think the general populace really wants to develop it. Why? Because it would indicate a very strong chance that we're not in as much control over our destiny as we like to believe.
Here's what I wrote for my assignment:
Robert Heinlein's "All You Zombies--" provides quite an interesting paradox that often comes with the idea of time travel - the infinite loop. Normally, when I think of time travel and infinite loops caused by it, I generally think of the person that goes back and keeps himself from being born. Heinlein takes a different look at it from the opposite perspective--the main character is his own son/daughter, mother and father.
This brings up an interesting question about how much control we really have over our destinies and how much free will we actually have. It also questions the linearity of time itself.
Jane is born and grows up in an orphanage because his distant future self displaced him in time and he fell in love with his not-so-distant future self because his distant future self sticks his not-so-distant future self into the mix a year before he's actually born. Therefore, Jane came to be solely because he already existed to alter his own time line. (Where did he come from? Well, that's a question that would probably make my head explode if I tried to answer it.) This suggests that a) we don't have nearly as much control over our fates as we like to believe, and b) time is not linear, but instead, each instant exists simultaneously and we simply move through them in what we perceive to be a chronological order based on what we last remember perceiving.
These two ideas basically tell us not that our current actions determine future events, but that future events determine our current actions.
What would people think if this was proven true? I think people don't want to know, and that's why time travel won't come into our reach any time soon (we don't want it to).
So, here's a question: do we really have control over our own destinies? Or are we bound to follow certain paths not because of what has happened, but because of what will happen?
But Dragonwolf, we have a choice. I didn't have to choose to go to college or eat bacon this morning.
Did you really have that choice, or did you just think you had that choice?
Some people believe that some things are just "meant to be." Well, why can't that apply to everything? Probably because we don't want it to, so we have essentially brainwashed ourselves into thinking that, while some things are just meant to be, we ultimately have a choice in most cases.
During my debate with Lance, I brought up quantum physics and relativity. It seems he didn't understand where I was going with that and how it had to do with time travel. Well, I've got something that can explain it better than I probably could, thanks to this week's lecture in my Science Fiction class:
Quantum physics speculates that new worlds could be created with every quantum event. This theory, along with string theory, provides the "hard" science basis for cross-time stories. Whether these parallel worlds were created through some "point of divergence" is not always clear, so the lines between cross-time and time-splitting literature is often fuzzy. Recently these stories have become more sophisticated. In earlier literature, the alternate histories, or parallel universes, diverged more and more from each other the further one went from the point zero, the point of divergence. But recent literature postulates that time may be constantly shifting and the parallel universes might actually be similar in many ways. The television series Sliders explored this theme, as the time travelers discovered alternate versions of their world and themselves.
So what does quantum physics have to do with time travel? Everything. Or nearly everything, at least, since time travel as a whole is based on real concepts of quantum physics (and astrophysics when you get into the ideas of black holes and wormholes serving as time travel catalysts).
If time travel is possible, then why did the World Wars happen? Why did the Holocaust happen?
I also believe in balance in the world, as well as the butterfly effect (not the movie, the actual concept as it relates to time and time travel). The World Wars and Holocaust were earth-changing events. There are far too many variables in them.
What if Hitler lived and Germany was among the victorious after WWII? Phillip K. Dick takes a view on that in The Man in the High Castle, where Nazi Germany has become more of Nazi Europe (unfortunately, the book isn't public domain yet, so I can't link the story itself like I did with Heinlein's short story), and there is an assassination attempt on FDR (Lance, this story nearly mirrors the ideas you had, if I remember right, at least pertaining to FDR, I would be surprised if you didn't find this book interesting).
It's entirely possible that what has already happened had to happen to avoid something far worse. Perhaps if Hitler didn't rise to power, someone else would have that wasn't afraid to develop nuclear warheads and use them on their enemies. Perhaps something will happen a century or two from now that would require the Holocaust to have happened.
This also lends to the idea of an unalterable history, which again forces one to ponder how much control we actually have. If the future is unalterable, who's to say the present and future are alterable?















In my debate with lance. However I don't really want to start that again so i'll briefly summarize what I agree with. Lance said if time travel was possible someone would have killed hitler. I said, same as you, you don't know the reprucussions of killing hitler, something worse could have happened. History being unalterable is one idea, so is multiple timelines. The reason WW2 happened is b/c people HAVE gone back and changed it but it created a new seperate timeline that does not effect us. Therefore there is a timeline where Hitler/Germany developed the a-bomb first b/c a future scientist told him how while traveling into the path. We don't see this history b/c that scientist created a new timeline only effecting that line, not ours. I really love time travel and yet have not dived as deep into it as I could b/c of the way it makes my mind literally go nuts...think about reading a book with dozens of examples of infinite loops...crazy!!!
I also agree that we may never develop time travel b/c we do not want to know the answers. We, as humans, want free will and don't want to change that. Even if we knew we didn't have free will and history was written and couldn't be changed, we would trick our minds into thinking we had free will. Simply b/c the alternative is giving up on life. As a race it would be counter productive to believe we didn't have free will, so our brains would lie to us and tell us we do. For those whose brains didn't lie, they would sit and do nothing b/c they had given up on life and there genes would not be based on...hence keeping the lie going infinitley.
My two cents at least.
Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted
I choose not to comment. I think. I think I think I choose not to comment...I hope...
Nicholas Aden
Self-Promotion
*Sits back and watches Nick's brain go boom."
-- quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
There was no boom. It was an implosion, so no sound was made.
Nicholas Aden
Self-Promotion
Well, that's no fun....
-- quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
It wasn't any fun for me either. It was like the big bang in reverse.
Nicholas Aden
Self-Promotion
A note about the deterministic wondering:
It's pointless. Seriously, don't do it.
Regardless of whether you believe in determinism or free will or not, it doesn't matter, either way--since if you have free will, you have free will. If everything is deterministic--you just have the illusion of free will, but it just doesn't matter.
If we discovered that everything was deterministic--what do you think would happen? Probably, a lot of people would use it as an excuse to be lazy. But hey, that was determined, right?
And if we have free will--huzzah! If we don't--oh well! I sure feel like I do, so I don't care.
Also: everything gets screwed up the moment somebody decides to make a paradox. stupid paradox-making people.
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