Democrats or Dumbocrats?
By hrothert - Posted on March 23rd, 2007
Tagged: News and politics
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Bring Iraqi troops home by fall of next year? Are you kidding me! The democrats say that they are realizing the wants and needs of the american people by pulling the troops out of Iraq.Maybe they are recognizing the wants and needs of some, but I doubt this represents the views of all Americans. How many of those people voting have been to Iraq or have family in Iraq. Very few families of those in Iraq are against the president and his current decisions. My cousin died in Afghanistan in January of 2005. My uncle was devistated as it was the only remaining male heir of the family name. However, I have never heard him complain about the war or what the president is currently trying to accomplish by having troops in Iraq. I believe that if we pull the troops out of Iraq the terrorists will consider us as surrendered. Is this what we want? When we surrender to the terrorists that gives them free reign of our country and of each other. The middle east will fall apart if we move out, and I believe Americans and America itself will be attacked. In conclusion, I don't feel that this would be the best decision for our country.
>"Bring Iraq home by fall of next year?"
Why, where did it go?
>"How many of those people voting have been to Iraq or have family in Iraq."
That doesn't change what they want.
>"My cousin died in Afghanistan in January of 2005"
You'd be hard pressed to even find many democrats who were against going to Afghanistan.
>"I believe that if we pull the troops out of Iraq the terrorists will consider us as surrendered."
Apparently that's not what everyone believes though. It's all speculation on everyone's part really.
>"When we surrender to the terrorists that gives them free reign of our country and of each other."
It does? So if we leave Iraq we have to stop defending our country altogether and let terrorists take over? Again, you're speculating, and this one is a big reach. You seem to think the warring factions of Iraq are terrorist groups. They aren't.
>"The middle east will fall apart if we move out, and Americans and America itself will be attacked."
Why would the middle east fall apart? Iran and Kuwait and Israel and all these countries will just cease to function properly because Iraq is screwed up? No.
And why would America suddenly be attacked if we leave. This is RIDICULOUS. If anything you think the terrorists would attack us while huge portions of our military were on the other side of the world. But no, I guess they'd rather wait until all of them are back home for better defense. Terrorists aren't animals, they're intelligent human beings, and they know how to use strategy, they don't just react emotionally to what we do.
I'm not a democrat. You just have REALLY weak points. (I'm being generous in calling them that.)
-Tim
"It costs nothing to be honest, loyal, and true." -Avett Bros.
>Tiny Tim, you shouldn't be speculating about certain topics. Your sarcastic remarks remove you from being taken seriously.
"You, should"Bring Iraq home by fall of next year?"
Why, where did it go?"
>If you didn't catch on to what she meant, she didn't mean to refer to the whole country of Iraq coming to the U.S. She was simply starting her post by commenting on the rediculous idea that delusional democrats have of bringing the soldiers out of Iraq.
"How many of those people voting have been to Iraq or have family in Iraq."That doesn't change what they want."
>Ok, so what does this mean? Just because some people are evil and don't want democracy to spread to other people so that they can be free, doesn't mean it isn't the right thing. Being selfish is part of being a liberal. She was saying that those that have the biggest say are those that are in Iraq fighting for our freedom. Technically it is none of your business what the President, or generals in Iraq do. However, it is those that are there servings business, so stay out of it. So you don't suppor freedom of people? Only yourself? Stop trying to spread your dictatorship like ideals on other people. It is not fair.
>"My cousin died in Afghanistan in January of 2005"
You'd be hard pressed to even find many democrats who were against going to Afghanistan."
>Just in case you missed the point of this topic. It is about the war in Iraq, not Afghanistan. She was pointing out that the support for the soldiers shouldn't be diminished by the location they are in. For example, if your mother is in Florida on vacation, I hope you would love her and support her just as much as if she was in Georgia instead.
"I believe that if we pull the troops out of Iraq the terrorists will consider us as surrendered."
Apparently that's not what everyone believes though. It's all speculation on everyone's part really."
>It is a logical opinion and answer. If you challange me to a fight and I fight you for a while but then when it gets hard and I run away like a liberal away from a fact based argument, wouldn't you think I had surrendered. First off, the amount of people believing something isn't what makes something right, things are intrinsicly right. Keep in mind also, your not everyone. It isn't speculation, it is a logical outcome of any circumstance when someone surrenders and retreats. Stop speculating yourself, people might take you seriously.
"When we surrender to the terrorists that gives them free reign of our country and of each other."
It does? So if we leave Iraq we have to stop defending our country altogether and let terrorists take over? Again, you're speculating, and this one is a big reach. You seem to think the warring factions of Iraq are terrorist groups. They aren't.
>K, so back to my last example. If we fought for a little bit and I ran away, next time you saw me you would know its ok to beat me up and chase me down. You would think I was free game because you wouldn't respect my power to withstand. The best defense is a good offense. By pulling out we are submitting to their will, that is what she meant. We are also not supporting human rights in other countries. We, as the most powerful country have that responsibility.
>"The middle east will fall apart if we move out, and Americans and America itself will be attacked."
Why would the middle east fall apart? Iran and Kuwait and Israel and all these countries will just cease to function properly because Iraq is screwed up? No. "
>If Iraq is messed up, then it becomes a safe haven to terrorists again, and they can kill innocent Jews in Israel, invade Kuwait again, help support Iran's nuclear problem. They won't cease to function properly because Iraq is screwed up, they will cease to function properly because Iraq is bombing them with all manner of weapons, whether chemical, nuclear, or convential, it matters not. Don't bring up the arguement of no WMD were found, that is irrelevant, we know that they have been used been by Iraq in the past.
"And why would America suddenly be attacked if we leave. This is RIDICULOUS. If anything you think the terrorists would attack us while huge portions of our military were on the other side of the world. But no, I guess they'd rather wait until all of them are back home for better defense. Terrorists aren't animals, they're intelligent human beings, and they know how to use strategy, they don't just react emotionally to what we do."
>It is called retaliation, if we just pull out, then it will be time for them to get their revenge. They are animals who deserve to be ripped from their homes and exterminated. They will come after us, unless we get them first. To think that they are just going to leave us alone and be happy peacefull people is RIDICULOUS, That is what bill clinton did, and look what happened in 9/11.
"I'm not a democrat. You just have REALLY weak points. (I'm being generous in calling them that.)?
>Are you sure your not a democrat? Your facts are emotions, your points are all flawed repetitions of your messed up representatives who don't let you think your own thoughts. Your beliefs are not your own. Stop thinking that the majority's belief is what is right. What is right is static, it never changes. Next time you want to argue, go post somewhere that argues how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop. If you argue that point, you might get somewhere. Because, that my friend, is pure speculation, and you seem mighty fine at using unbased claims. Tiny Tim, I hope you have a great day.
Eric.
Haha, wow, and I thought the first person I was responding to had bad points. First things first if you're going to talk to me about being taken seriously you should try not to resort to name calling. (I'm 6'1" by the way. Presumptuous internet name calling is the worst.)
>"Ok, so what does this mean? Just because some people are evil and don't want democracy to spread to other people so that they can be free, doesn't mean it isn't the right thing."
What would make someone automatically evil for not wanting to spread democracy? You may want to look up the word evil. And are we really "spreading" democracy if we're a Constitutional Republic? Also, you don't think it's a bit futile to promote freedom amongst people whose religion doesn't allow for equal rights?
>"If you challange me to a fight and I fight you for a while but then when it gets hard and I run away like a liberal away from a fact based argument, wouldn't you think I had surrendered"
That analogy doesn't work because the insurgents we're fighting against aren't terrorists. BEFORE you go all right wing on me I'm not saying there are no terrorists in Iraq or that there never were, but the forced that are battling one another and that we're battling against are not terrorist groups.
Why don't you think it would be encouraging to the terrorists that we never finished the job in Afghanistan? I think we should have totally taken care of business there.
>"f Iraq is messed up, then it becomes a safe haven to terrorists again, and they can kill innocent Jews in Israel, invade Kuwait again, help support Iran's nuclear problem. They won't cease to function properly because Iraq is screwed up, they will cease to function properly because Iraq is bombing them with all manner of weapons, whether chemical, nuclear, or convential, it matters not. Don't bring up the arguement of no WMD were found, that is irrelevant, we know that they have been used been by Iraq in the past."
When was it that Iraq was killing Jews in Israel? You either just made that up, or you're listening to some ridiculous sources. As far as WMDs, don't try to play the straw man and argue against things I didn't talk about.
>"To think that they are just going to leave us alone and be happy peacefull people is RIDICULOUS,"
Again, you're playing straw man, I never said that I thought that. I don't think we'd be suddenly safe, I just also don't think there would be an urgent threat. You disregard my asking why the terrorists wouldn't choose to attack while most of our military was elsewhere.
>"Are you sure your not a democrat? Your facts are emotions, your points are all flawed repetitions of your messed up representatives who don't let you think your own thoughts."
Yea, I'm positive. I'm a libertarian, and I actually don't think we should pull out, I just think the original poster has an incredibly standard hand fed argument as to why we share that view. You say my facts are "emotions" but there is not ONE emotional statement in my initial post and I challenge you to find one. You're the one playing the ad hominem card so I'd say it's safe to say you've got emotion behind your words, not I. You also say I don't think my own thoughts but you have no idea what my opinions on things are, only my reasons for why the original points made are flaws. They're textbook right wing jargon. Snore.
You should really consider proof reading your posts, or maybe picking up a dictionary. I wouldn't always point that at, but it's silly to tell someone they can't be taken seriously when you're name calling and can't spell "challenge" or "argument."
-Tim
"It costs nothing to be honest, loyal, and true." -Avett Bros.
I just think there is no reason for any war, now we have to finish it...
Wow. I didn't mean for this to get so out of hand. I just simply said what I believed whether my arguments are weak or anyone agrees with me is up to you. Sorry to start world war 3.