Eugenics: Here, There, and Everywhere

tangle's picture

How much thought have you given to eugenics? How much do you even know about eugenics? Until this year I barely knew what eugenics was, much less had I given the concept much thought, but now that I’ve learned about eugenics it seems to be everywhere.

Eugenics was promoted in 20th Century America as a part of the Progressive Movement, so this seemed the perfect forum for discussion about eugenics. With this post I hope to pique the interest of fellow bloggers as to the pervasiveness of eugenics so that we might ponder and debate specific instances of eugenics that appear in the news.

Basically eugenics is selective breeding, but it can be so much more than that; it varies from shy and subtle to voracious and virulent. Nazism is a prominent example, but eugenics isn’t always so obvious and pernicious. In a more familiar form, eugenics is present in the vaccinations of our public health system and the standardized tests of our educational system.

One of the most intriguing things about eugenics to me is that it can exist as a dreadful, ill-conceived thing at one time, then later emerge as a seemingly plausible solution. And I wonder, is there such a thing as an acceptable, moral application of eugenic principles? Or is the concept inherently reprehensible?

Since Wikipedia summarizes eugenics better than I ever could, here’s an excerpt from the full article if you haven’t had the good fortune to take a class about eugenics:

Eugenics is a social philosophy which advocates the improvement of human hereditary traits through various forms of intervention.[1] The goals of various groups advocating eugenics have included the creation of healthier, more intelligent people, to save society's resources, and lessen human suffering, as well as desires to breed for optimal qualities.

Earlier proposed means of achieving these goals focused on selective breeding, while modern ones focus on prenatal testing and screening, genetic counseling, birth control, in vitro fertilization, and genetic engineering. Opponents argue that eugenics is immoral and is based on, or is itself, pseudoscience. Historically, eugenics has been used as a justification for coercive state-sponsored discrimination and human rights violations, such as forced sterilization of persons who are claimed to have genetic defects, the killing of the institutionalized and, in some cases, outright genocide of races perceived as inferior or undesirable.

Breeding of human beings was suggested at least as far back as Plato, but the modern field and term was first formulated by Sir Francis Galton in 1865, drawing on the recent work of his cousin Charles Darwin. ... [full article]

Thoughts?

I think that in principle, it's probably not a good idea to allow some people to determine who should and should not be allowed to breed.

On a more personal level, however, I know that there are many people who should not ever breed. There are some people who are so irresponsible, lazy and ignorant that allowing them to have children can only lead to problems further down the road.

It's a tricky dilemma.

(if you can't see the fnords they won't eat you)

tangle's picture

It is a tricky dilemma indeed! On the one hand eugenics seems reprehensible, and on the other appealing. I find myself wondering: where is the line? And regardless of where it should be, where will society draw it as reproductive and medical technologies continue to improve?

/jkh

embryowassup's picture
Member of the Progressive U Alumni Association

Eugenics wouldn't exist if the people who 'shouldn't breed' were forced to survive without the government teat.

--Mike

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tangle's picture

Is it really so clear cut?

I've found that no phenomenon as complex as eugenics has a simple, single-cause explanation.

And, after all, who are the people who shouldn't breed according to you?

/jkh

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If you can't figure out who he's talking about, you didn't understand what he was saying.

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embryowassup's picture
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...the ones who thrive solely on government handouts.

--Mike

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tangle's picture

While the intended targets of Mike's eugenic program were indeed obvious from his statement: Eugenics wouldn't exist if the people who 'shouldn't breed' were forced to survive without the government teat, the clarification [people] who thrive solely on government handouts will serve as a much better example.

Eugenics can be promoted and advocated by different groups for different reasons. Were Mike to advocate his form of eugenics it would be a "positive" form of eugenics, because in his proposal, the "unfit" would kill themselves off if the government ceased providing aid. It would not be necessary to kill the unfit, or to deny them the ability to reproduce (that would be "negative" eugenics).

Whether or not Mike's eugenic proposal would result in progress is the stuff of another post. What's I'm trying to do is point out the disparity of the possible applications of eugenics and to spot them in the modern world (they're there, trust me). And, beyond that, to consider all the instances of eugenics throughout history, whether or not they were labeled as such at the time.

/jkh

embryowassup's picture
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I especially hate it when people use Darwin's theory (more appropriately Spenser's theory) to justify genocide (I'm calling you out, Hitler. Rebuttal?)

--Mike

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tangle's picture

Wait, I'm confused. Am I Hitler?
Have I come across as promoting eugenics? That was certainly not my intention.
I just find the subject of eugenics fascinating.

/jkh

embryowassup's picture
Member of the Progressive U Alumni Association

No, I was actually calling out Hitler; I've been told that he used social darwinism to justify eradicating the Jews, even though active killing has nothing to do with survival of the fittest.

--Mike

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violinkeri's picture
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I refer you all to the movie Gattaca--Ethan Hawke, Uma Thurman, all about the fictional future transition from natural births to genetically controlled offspring. Adds a different perspective to the eugenics line of thinking. Plus, a fantastic movie. I first watched in in 9th grade Biology, but its on comcast onDemand right now so of course I had to revisit it.

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mvenus929's picture
Managing Director of Progressive U

I first watched in in 9th grade Biology

Ha ha! Me too. It's a very interesting thing to think about.

~C
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