This election year, politicians have argued, about the issue of gay marriage. America has been compelled to argue the rights of homosexuals. America has become torn. Same-sex marriage has become an issue in America that everyone is aware of. Many people argue that homosexuality is an abomination and can ruin our society. Many people oppose it, even some gays. These people believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman. Some gays believe it’s not necessary for them to be recognized in the eyes of the law. I believe marriage is for love, rather it is between a man and a woman, a man and a man, or a woman and a woman. Everyone has the right to marry. Heterosexuals get married every day. Why should homosexuals be any different? Every homosexual should have the option of getting married. The Constitution gives Americans the fundamental right to marry whoever we wish, whenever we wish to. The state should allow homosexuals to marry and have the same rights as heterosexual married couples. Not every gay person wants to marry; they just want the right to have a choice in the matter. Homosexuals want to marry for the same reason as any heterosexual couple. Gay couples do not seek to destroy the sanction of marriage; they seek to be a part of it. No one has the right to prevent someone from sharing the rights of any married couple. There was a time when marriage had to be between a couple of the same race and religion. These ideas have changed to reflect America’s growth. Legally marriage is for a relationship of emotional independence between two people who want to make a commitment in front of their god, their family and the rest of the world. Gays and lesbians want to marry for the same reason heterosexuals do; to show their love for one another. No one should be told their love is wrong. Telling a gay couple they cannot marry is telling them just that. Not all homosexuals want to get married, but they want the choice and should have the choice. The choice of marriage belongs to every man and woman, rather gay or straight.
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Marrige is between people who love each other it does not have anything to do with the sex of the couple.
Should we allow a killer to do his favorite sport...killing ?
Its his love...
His passion...
His talent...
His desire...
Now ain't this sort of reasoning faulty !
NOBODY IS BORN HOMOSEXUAL. ITS OBVIOUS.
HOW MANY HOMOSEXUALS WOULD BE OK IN THE WORLD ? WOULD THERE BE A LIMIT ? LETS SAY WE HAD 2 BILLION HOMOSEXUALS...WOULD IT BE OK ? HOMOSEXUALS WOULD CERTAINLY BE SAFE WHILE HETEROSEXUALS EXIST, BECAUSE THEY THEMSELVES WOULD CEASE TO EXIST IF HETEROSEXUALS CEASE TO EXIST.
Does anybody think is a good idea to head out back to the caves and leave all human progress behind ?
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I totally agree with this blog. To even add to this blog, I would like to note that the state's laws against gay marriage is unconstitutional. The Founding Father's of our great nation said in the Treaty of Tripoli that the freedom of religion is also the right to have freedom FROM religion as well. I do believe that all person's should have the right to get married to whomver they wish.
<33 John Miller
ME AND MY DOG WOULD BE VERY HAPPY FINALLY !
Sometimes you got to check where your reasoning leads to.
Somebody here said that NO LOVE IS WRONG..., then what about a love to hurt, a love to do drugs, a love to feel superior, a love to burn houses or buildings...
certainly this is where discretion comes in...DISCRETION IS THE BASIS FOR INTELIGENCE.
For every design there is a purpose, and most of us didn't come to this world as hermaphrodites or sexless; we already had design in our bodies.
Want to prove that going against design is ok, why not pour water in your gas tank?, or take your car to the beach where you could try how it performs on the waves...
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"DISCRETION IS THE BASIS FOR INTELIGENCE."
...and misspelling "Intelligence" is the basis for unintelligence...
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---Gregory House...My idol---
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Your claim that "no love is wrong" is wrong. Any romantic relationship between a teacher and a student is often discouraged, so their love must be wrong on a certain level.
I think the point was about gay marriage the title was just the hook. I would say love between a son and mother is wrong also but that is not the point of this blog.
I know. I just like to nitpick.
That is what I thought initially though.
Anyone should be able to get married if they want to. No matter if it is a man and a woman, a man and a man, or a woman and a woman. Our government should not have the right to choose who can and can not get married.
I really enjoyed this article. I wrote one myself title "Gay Marriage: Modern Movement or Major Malarky?." I agree, why not let people enjoy their marriage, and BE HAPPY. The "love" other comment-ers described between a teacher & student or inter-family relations are not the same as same-sex relations... 1. the person getting married must be of age, or with consent of their parents (I'm sure they wouldn't allow their son to marry their teacher) and 2. interfamily realtions are illegal, it's called incest.... just let people be happy, they won't bother you, so don't worry about it
Because it would certainly be irresponsible for any given group of sane people.
The simple purpose of life has being to live and not die.
The body deals with this sort of crazy behavior without any mercy. It kills any cells acting weird. But we are a society and have come a long way, and are willing to help before killing or locking in an institution.
Its clear that not everything is the same, and not everything is ok. This is why laws exist, to prevent society or its members from hurting themselves.
Observe and distinguish. Use reason and intelligence...try to see where your actions lead to before acting.
Homosexual disaproval IS NOT unconstitutional, its simply logical.
"Homosexual disaproval IS NOT unconstitutional, its simply logical"
Really? Is that a fact? I'd like to see evidence of why it's logical to be disapproval of homosexuals? And please for the sake of us all, don't quote the Bible :)
"Education...is our best protection against
unreasoning prejudice and panic-making fear."
~President Franklin D. Roosevelt
GREAT...NOW WE CAN MARRY ANIMALS !
wow.. that was the most rediculous thing i have ever heard.
we are talking about relationships between two consenting HUMAN adults. Relationships with animals, childrens, or whatever other stupid ideas you feel like disputing is incomparable.
in my opinion, since it is not necessary for a marriage to be based on religion (several people keep their marraige out of the church and choose to be married by a justice of the peace), marraige between homosexuals should be allowed. There is supposed to be a seperation between church and state in this country. However, religion continues to rear it's ugly head in politics constantly.
What about people who are not religious but are truly in love with someone and want to get married. They are not immoral. But they are punished because they do not share the same beliefs as our political leaders.
We have to be able to compare things to be able to understand them better. This is what science does and this is also basis of intelligence. If we can not compare homosexual activity with anything then we have not way to understand it.
Its simple: With what can you compare the desire to put a penis in a hole designed for waste ? It's obviously an action against design. So we can compare it with anything thats going against design and purpose. With any act that is devoid of reason and logic.
Pleasure is not the primary reason for survival. Survival is about development, growth, improvement.
This is not a matter of what argument is better, and also not about religious or not religious, it about using our minds towards better survival.
With love,
a friend.
Here is another one of my annoying little quotes from the American Psychological Association...
"Research suggests that the homosexual orientation is in place very early in the life cycle, possibly even before birth. It is found in about ten percent of the population, a figure which is surprisingly constant across cultures, irrespective of the different moral values and standards of a particular culture. Contrary to what some imply, the incidence of homosexuality in a population does not appear to change with new moral codes or social mores. Research findings suggest that efforts to repair homosexuals are nothing more than social prejudice garbed in psychological accouterments."
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_prof.htm
Now that's interesting, I think. Despite your fearful claims, there is no reason to think that gay people are going to somehow destroy the human race. In spite of the fact that gay people have been documented to exist throughout recorded history, the human population has consistently increased unimpeded. That fact alone trumps your worrisome predictions rather completely.
Honestly, you insistence on the vulgar reduction of homosexuality to a single sexual act that not remotely unique to gay people is more than a little disingenous, and significantly undermines the likelyhood that anyone is going to take you seriously.
percivale
Its very easy to cut and paste information. If it is like that, let me introduce some for you...
The American Psychological Association's prestigious journal Professional Psychology: Research and Practice has just published a comprehensive research paper on sexual-orientation change. Clients have the right to pursue change, the author says, because "sexual orientation, once thought to be an unchanging trait, is actually quite flexible for some people."
An article by Dr. Warren Throckmorton, "Initial Empirical and Clinical Findings Concerning the Change Process for Ex-Gays," has been published in the June 2002 issue of the American Psychological Association's publication Professional Psychology: Research and Practice.
"I'm pleased that this research summary will reach an audience of psychologists and mental health professionals that may not be aware of ex-gay issues," says Throckmorton, the director of college counseling at Grove City College.
"My literature review contradicts the policies of major mental health organizations because it suggests that sexual orientation, once thought to be an unchanging sexual trait, is actually quite flexible for many people, changing as a result of therapy for some, ministry for others and spontaneously for still others."
"Sexual orientation is a socially-constructed product of a client's life experiences and can therefore be modified; people who modify orientation through counseling are known as "ex-gays."
I went to the journal's website, and could find no mention of the article you cite (or rather, don't cite).
http://www.apa.org/journals/pro/
I then went to the main APA site, and searched. Again, no reference to the article exists.
http://www.apa.org/
In fact, I did a full journal search of the APA literature, and couldn't find a single reference to a Dr. Throckmorton in any of the peer reviewed journal listings.
In fact, I looked thoughout the net, and couldn't find a single actual copy of the article you mention, though it is cited without specifics on quite a few religiously (not scientifically) based web-sites. Now, it is possible that such an article was published (though it seems doubtful, considering that the journal you cite doesn't list it in their archives), but its not that hard to get an article published. The question is how did the article fair when subjected to peer review. If the article had survived the peer review process, it would undoubtedly be readily available in the relevant search engines.
The fact is that Warren Throckmorton is not a mainstream scientist. He works for Grove City College, a private christian institution which has a history of taking a strongly religous stance on issues of this sort. He is not a credible scientific commentator.
Before you give this guy too much credit, you might want to look up the history of the institution to which he belongs. Grove City College is actually quite famous due to the supreme court case that bears its name, Grove City College v. Bell...
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?friend=nytimes&navby=case&court=US&vol=465&invol=555&pageno=575
Essentially, the case involves the college's discriminatory admissions policy, and their refusal to comply with Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972. To this day, the college refuses all federal funding so that they can actively discriminate in their admissions.
So once again, can you find a credible scientific source that supports your claims? As I was obviously not specific enough the first time, and "credible" source would be a study that has been published and properly peer reviewed.
percivale
Could you perhaps be a little more specific, and provide us with a link to your source for this information?
So, there's a lot of different arguments from people either for or against same sex marriage. Some individuals that are homosexual want marriage legalized because they want to be able to profess their love to eachother and to show the rest of the world how they feel about their partner. Others don't think that same sex marriage should be allowed. Then there's the group of homosexuals that say "I don't want to be married in a church, I just want the same state and federal benefits of a 'traditional' marriage". These benefits were created to help protect relationships for partners who planned on spending their lives together and for partners who were raising a family together.
As far as the argument that if we allow same sex marriage we should allow drug use (which we already do in numerous forms some examples including: prescription drugs, marijuana as a prescription drug in California, alcohol, cigarettes and i'm sure the list goes on, so people are basically saying what 'society' thinks is right at any certain point in time) and the argument that we should allow killing or marriage with animals just as absurd. Within the context of killing one human being is harming another one and even though it's against the law to murder someone, our government murders when they sentence someone to the death penalty. On the topic of being able to be a party in beastiality, here's a very interesting question. Can whatever animal someone decides to hurt say 'hey, I don't want you doing that'? If someone wanted to walk up to the alter and marry a duck could the duck stand in front of the priest and say 'yes, I want to marry them'? I didn't think so. Those arguments are null and void.
And the topic of people trying to say that homosexuality is going to be our doom... that's just as small of an argument. Our scientists have come so far along that they can now impregnate women without a penis ever penetrating a woman's body. Isn't that just amazing. Even if all the individuals on earth were homosexual... guess what. The homosexual men can donate their sperm for the homosexual women. That argument at this point can't get you anywhere. While on that topic, some people say that a penis was not made for penetration in the anus. Are you people aware that a mans 'g-spot' is in his anus? And, how many men that are against homosexuality still penetrate their wives/girlfriends anus because it's tighter and feels so much better? I can't tell you the count but it's good to think about those situations before bringing that argument to light.
The bible is not a sufficient argument either because when the bible was created it wasn't in our language today. There isn't one person on this earth that can tell me what the bible stated when it was originally created because our language today doesn't even have the correct words to translate what was written. I'm not against people who believe in God and there's no way that I would ever say that they were wrong for having a belief. I am stating though, that every person that attends church is learning from another human being who was taught by generation and generation before them. Does that not resemble the game 'telephone'? Any of you that have heard of that game or played that game must remember that when it goes through enough people the original message is stretched and skewed every time or it's a completely different message than the original one that was stated.
So before all of you start fighting for or against something, think about life. Not all of your fancy words and quotes from people and peer reviews. Just think about life itself. What person in their right mind would 'choose' to be homosexual and spend the rest of their lives being ridiculed by others? What person in their right mind would choose to be homosexual when their lives can be more at risk because others are so against it that they rape you or take your life away just because of your sexual orientation?
Homosexuals are human beings plain and simple just like everyone else. Our world is so full of hatred and fighting that we can't even get along with our fellow neighbors because of something so small and miniscule as their sexual orientation. Think about that when you start your arguments on who's right and wrong in this matter. The children that grow up being ostricized because of their sexual orientation are the ones you should be thinking about. The boys who are beat up when they get out of school every day are the ones to be thinking about. The teenage girls who are raped because they like other girls are the ones to think about. Stop projecting hate and start understanding others for who they are.
The idea of Homosexuality being an abomination originated with the Christians. No other culture or religion really frowned upon it until the printing of The Bible. I know that using quotes to prove a point has already been deemed as "unintelligent" by a certain poster...but I figure "Hey, every professor I've ever had has made me cite something in every research paper assigned...so it can't be all that bad!"
So I will quote The Bible:
Leviticus 20:13
13 " 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Leviticus 20:18
18 " 'If a man lies with a woman during her monthly period and has sexual relations with her, he has exposed the source of her flow, and she has also uncovered it. Both of them must be cut off from their people.
Leviticus 20:9
9 " 'If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother, and his blood will be on his own head.
Leviticus 20:10
10 " 'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
So. According to the Bible, Being gay is just as bad as cussing your parents out, committing adultery, and having sex with a woman on her period.
Let me add...None of those are illegal. If you do any of those things it does not render you ineligible for marriage. So why does being gay? Stop picking and choosing parts of the Bible to base general principles and moral views on!
...I wonder how many times George W. has had sex with The First Lady when she was on the rag?
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"I'll be in my office...There's a lot of porn piling up on the internet...It doesn't just download itself!"
---Gregory House...My idol---
MM
i think that true love doesn't allow race or sex to interfere and therefore, there is nothinbg wrong with "love" that is not the norm
I believe that if two people love each other and want to get married, it shouldn't matter what there sex, race, religion, or anything else should stop that from happening.
i so agree. its about love and how people truly feel for eachother. if they are willing to make the commitment, then why not?
id love to see that reversed, like, heterosexual couples werent able to get married. all hell would break loose but at least that would show people how equal we all are.
if discrimination was completely gone.... think of how great our world would be... eh. but a girl can dream.
I agree with you. No love is wrong. Why do we have to pick which kind of love is right and which kind of love is wrong? Even if some say a relationship between a teacher and a student is not allowed, when they're out of school...are they regular people or still teachers and students? Is there really such thing as morality? If they want to love each other, let them be. If they're not hurting anyone, we shouldn't stop them, right? It seems like most people have this mind set of a true meaningful relationship is between a man and a woman with other qualifications. Yet, we never ask ourselves about our heterosexuality. Why?
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"The Constitution gives Americans the fundamental right to marry whoever we wish, whenever we wish to."
Where is that written?
Well...i am straight. I love men...though, my best friend and also my flat mate is gay... I don't judge him about on the persons who seeps with, i appreciate him for the human he is... and i don't understand what is wrong with being gay... really now? With what does that affect you?? i don't see it??? It’s their life so let them take their decisions.
Ada
love is not love if it truely is love, but so many times another emotion in our society is interperetted as love and that is lust. Lust it a passion, that we use to fuel desires we can not fill. and therefore we think we love, when actually we feel a completely different feeling
...when people arbitrarily categorize the nature of relationships between to people whom they have never met.
percivale
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You are right there is no age to love, there is no sex either, religion or color. It's all love, PURE LOVE
I believe love comes from inside your heart, not from what is on the outside of your body. I have a cousin who is so in love with her lesbian partner and it really has showed me so much to understand this more. It's what makes you happy in your heart. Whether it be race, sexuality, or just plain interest from inside.
I have grown up in a christian home, and I'veh ad the whole "heterosexual marriage ONLY" thing shoved down my throat... yet it's something I've never been able to swallow. I, myself am straight. However, I do not think gay/lesbians are any different than me. They love/like someone for who they are... not what they are. People do not just pick their love. They find a certain love. A certain TRUE love. And people should not discriminate or hold back anyone from loving the person they want to love.