I recently read in the newspaper that in Sharpsburg, MD, members of the Ku Klux Klan and other white supremacist groups rallied Saturday at the Antietam National Battlefield, believed to be the first time a group was given permission to demonstrate at the site of the bloodiest day of the Civil War.
About 30 people, some in white robes and others in the military-style clothing and swastika armbands of the National Socialist Movement of America, stood at a farmhouse on the battlefield. Some delivered speeches attacking immigrants, blacks and other minority groups.
About 200 federal, state and local officers stood by to ensure peace and to act as a buffer between the Klan and about 30 counterdemonstrators.
The protest was the third by extremist groups at national parks in the past three years. Two years ago, the National Socialist Movement demonstrated at Valley Forge, Pa., and the same group rallied last year at Colonial Park in Williamsburg, Virginia.
"The Supreme Court has ruled consistently that national parks in particular are places of freedom of expression," said park Superintendent John Howard.
In my humble opinion, National parks, and any park for that matter, should be a place of recreation, peace and enjoyment. I have no desire to visit a park on my vacations and other outings to be encountered by rallies of the KKK. I know it's Americans constitutional right to rally and protest, but why must such protesters interfere with the real reason a park is there for the public....recreation. I think the Supreme Court made a bad decision in their ruling on this topic, and I wonder if it will ever be over turned.
I am not asking to debate this issue with anyone; however, I am inviting anyone to share their insights, opinions and thoughts on this topic. Please do not attack other's opinions/comments. I simply want to initiate some discussion on this issue. Thank you.
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I think you have misinterpreted my post. I am not a racist. I am simply commenting on a news article that I recently read about the KKK. I am against any type of racism and predjudice. I am not one to judge, and I think it is unfair of you to judge me without understanding the topic I have just blogged on. My only statement on the topic was that I do not agree that racist groups like the KKK should be able to disrupt my vacation when I visit state, federal or other public parks. I want to go to a park for my enjoyment and recreation. I do not want to go there to witness such ridiculous rallies by groups like the KKK. They should find a better place to rally/protest, they should not be allowed to interfere in the recreation of others. I do not support the KKK or any white supremacist group for that matter.
Kdirby
I am proud to say I took a small part in an email and letter writing campaign against the klanazis at Sharpsburg/Antietam Battlefield. I found it to be very vile and hateful for their rally to be held on sacred ground. Their use of the Battlefield is as wrong as worshipping Satan in Church on Sunday.
My GGUncle was a Confederate Soldier who fought there at South Mountain, so I feel like the klanazis spit on his grave.
I will say I did take part in a protest a few years ago at Tredegar Ironworks National Historic Park against the placement of a President Lincoln Statue on the grounds. Tredegar manufactured Cannons and guns for the Confederacy, and it was designated a memorial to the Confederates, so the placement of Lincoln was a slap in the Southerners' faces, and so I joined the protest.
Lincoln was a racist who hated equality for blacks and sanctioned total war against innocent women, children and old men, and shredded the constitution, so his statue at that place was a slap at Southerners also.
I must say that anyone has a right to 'peacably assemble and redress their greivances against the government thru the 1st amendment rights; but tact should be used.
There is no reason on earth to hold a rally on a sacred Battlefield - but if you lack tact, then expect to meet resistance and counter protests!
I appreciate your response, and thank you for sharing your experiences. I completely agree, there is no reason on earth to hold a rally on a sacred battlefield. I think such action signifies total disregard to those that died there and it is extremely disrespectful to all.
I can't wait till whites become a minority in America.
Maybe someone should tell them that Jesus was not caucasian.
LOL, why wait? Move to El Paso. Here we Caucasians make up about 30% of the population :)
But as for the Jesus comment, if he did exist, no he was not Caucasian, and not all caucasians follow him :)
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I've been through El Paso and I know what you're talking about :).
As for Jesus, these KKK and Nazis claim they follow Christianity while claiming whites as the superior race. Jesus wasn't white, so they claim superiority over him. It is such a backward set of beliefs.
I really don't understand them at all, LOL.
First, they preach how much they hate minority groups - ALL minority groups. But then they go and willingly and knowingly join a minority group?
And second, I for one *might* actually listen to one of them the first time I see one stand up and stop a bullet with nothing more than "White Power".
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Not to many people do, you actually have to be pure white and carry certian conformest beliefs revolving the formation of activist groups. but only minoreties complains about white power, what about the black panthers, latino pride, brown power, black power.
You are an El Pasoan as well, wow, Drupal is right The majority of people in El Paso are hispanic. The percentage of Caucasians however is a little lower than 30% though, I think around 24% .
I'm really not sure. The last time I heard, it was actually like 11%, but when I tried to verify that through the census bureau, they had a number like 33%, so I guessed somewhere in the middle.
I think it's made smaller, though, because the military doesn't count towards population since it's rotating. So that means the border patrol, fort bliss, and all the new troops we just got, many of whom are also hispanic, don't count towards our population.
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you respond to this anti racism article with racism?
Your just as racist as the KKK for that comment against white people, and how could America have whites become a miniority, thats silly drivvel and racist and you know it
Shall we review my comment?
"I can't wait till whites become a minority in America."
How is that racist? Is the term "minority" racist to you? And yes it is possible for whites to become to minority and it IS going to happen. Call it "silly drivvel" if you like. But it's based on census statistics and past annual population increases. It's not racist, it's reality...and YOU know it.
"Maybe someone should tell them that Jesus was not caucasian."
Do you want to argue that too?
Hi Everyone, Thank you for all of your thoughts and responses to my blog. You've made some great points! I appreciate and enjoy reading the feedback. I don't understand the members of the KKK's thought process either...I think their organization is completely screwy and insane!
There were actually 52 of us rallying there.
As to the rest of it, who cares what you think?
If you had 53 I'd be impressed.
Who cares what 52 white "activists' think? White supremacy is a joke. You might as well think the world is flat while you're at it. White supremists need to come back to reality, or at least out of the stone age.
I totally agree with your statements, Julian. I appreciate your input.
Who are they to tell society of today that whites are superior i think no single race are inferior to another. What makes a race so much better than another i think thats a question all white supremists should have a justified answer for than go round thinking they are better than others because if the colour of who you are. Grow up and get a life and a real job!
id like to let you know that if i could have been there i would proudly have been the 53rd and yes im white and i was never a racist before but im getting to be one cause the whites are getting to be minoritys and whats worse is we get treated worse than the blacks and other ethnic groups ever got treated .
Um... What?
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Given that white nationalists pretty consistently win the majority of the white vote on the few occassions where they run for office and have an actual well-funded campaign, I think most people should care.
The little secret they don't tell you when you're in college is that white nationalists are a majority in this world.
As to whites being a minority in America, its not going to happen. White aren't even a minority in North and Central America combined (52%).
No I really don't care about white supremist bigotry.
White nationalists are NOT a majority in this world. Did you pull that out of your ass or something? BTW, the majority of children under 5 in the US are minorities, that is non-whites.
In 20-30 years, whites will no longer be the majority in the US.
White is going out of style. Time to check back into reality.
Thanks for your input, Julian. I was doing research earlier and found many statistics showing that by 2040 whites will be a minority. Which I am fine with that. I happen to be caucasian, and I do not hold any fear or ignorance in the knowledge that one day whites will be out numbered by other ethnic groups. These white supremist groups only exist, because they are ignorant, uneducated on cultural diversity and fear the unknown. It's time that everyone accepts different cultures and ethnic groups in our society. After all, this is the 21st century not the 1800's anymore.
As far as I'm concerned the term 'white people' is redundant, as is the term 'black people', I am pale skinned, but I feel no solidarity with other white people based purely on the pigment in our skin, that is just nonsense. Racism is simply the least intelligent and misguided form of predjudice. I am not against predjudice full stop though, I think predjudice is a healthy part of our personal defence and decision making processes. People who say they are totally without predjudice are the same as those dipshits who claim they are without ego, get over yourself.
KKK, neo-nazis and other extremists, these groups will never go away. The numbers maybe small, but Im never too shock when groups like these are still around
White people are not even white. We are are very very light shade of brown.
At least were not the color of the shit coming out of our asses
Your stance is absurd. Why haven't you objected to any of the other groups protesting in national parks? You're essentially demanding censorship and fascism.
The Nazis I have a little respect for (very little, about as much respect I have for s-ists), but the Klan I have no respect for. The Nazis are a political movement, motivated (in part, it seems to be as of late) by a political doctrine with actual (alleged) solutions: the separation of the races in order to boost national esteem. The Klan, however, have no political motivation except for their moral beliefs based on the idea that "Satan hates rainbows."
As for the issue of National Parks, I understand where you're coming from, and I agree with you. However, if the court were to determine that National Parks are supposed to be "places for recreation," that would set certain legal precedent which would give courts (as well as other branches of government) leeway to apply this logic to places such as Times Square in NY or Liberty Bell Park in Philly. Allowing protests on government property, for the sake of free speech, cannot exclude National Parks, regardless of whether it should.
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S-ists are not c-munists. Why are you comparing s-ists to nazis?
Good explanation of the National Park issue.
Because both groups operate on a theory that only worked in theory.
--Mike
Medicare and Medicaid as well as Social Security are s-ist programs. Unions are s-ist. Where would America be without those programs?
With better taxes, I'd assume. I generally hate the welfare state. It's essentially giving people reason not to plan for the future. What we need is private enterprise doing these sort of things. For the most part, there will always be some sort of activist group or non-profit organization helping those in need.
Also, I don't like unions. That isn't to say, I don't like collective bargaining, I do. But unions have become a bully. I'd much rather see independent activist groups similar to amnesty int'l (even though I generally loathe them, too) oversee business practices and help organize strikes than have a constant union in certain businesses forcing everyone to join or die.
--Mike
Blacks have the NAACP, Latinos have Congress kissing their buns to let them become citizens.
Hmm...whites want a say in how they are going to be governed and how our heritage is saved, and we are racists? How quaint.
Just because you are a KKK member does not mean that you hate. Some simply want our culture preserved and let everyone else preserve theirs and go their own merry way.
Whay is that hateful? Why is that racist?
Please give us honkies a break.
The KKK is a hate group. It was founded on the hate principles. It has a terrifying history of hate. It still preaches hate. The KKK wants culture preservation? What culture? The culture of slave-owners? The culture of psuedo white supremacy?
You're are right that Congress needs more old white guys. They only control 95% of the government. They should have 100%. Note the sarcasm.
Actually, your wrong. When the KKK first started out it was just to help those in need. It went bad later. Hmmmm? Wonder what will happen with the NAACP?
Blacks are the ones who are racists, they are the ones that won't let it go. They are always pointing their fingers and showing hate, then they wonder why we (white people) get sick of hearing it, over and over again.
Oh and what race is more prevalent in prisons? I guess that's white peoples fault too? What race is more prevalent in gangs? And in overall crime stats?
I am sooooooooooo sick of the whole race thing, thats one reason I moved out into the country away from the city. As soon as the blacks started moving into our neighborhood, crime went up and property values went down.
Oh and by the way...if they can make up their own race name..."African American" then maybe we should, lol. I'm an English American, lol. The funny thing is their African bloodline is so bled out that they can't call themselves that with any reality. REAL African people think that the blacks in America are a joke and they want nothing to do with them.
It takes a lot of nerve to say something like this...
Blacks are the ones who are racists, they are the ones> that won't let it go. They are always pointing their
> fingers and showing hate, then they wonder why we (white
> people) get sick of hearing it, over and over again.
...and something like this...
IF white people become the minority it's only because> black teenage girls pop out one kid after another that
> they can't support so our tax dollars are hard at work
> there.
...in the same discussion. I really don't know who you think you're fooling. You wear your racist attitudes on your sleeve, my friend, and you can't expect us to take your complaints seriously when you trot out statments that are so dramatically racist in content and tone.
percivale
Racists? So are you calling me a racist? Are you saying that I show hate and point the finger (since you seem to put everyone into one little group, even with whites you seem to generalize also "whites do this and blacks do that" by saying it in that manner you are implying that ALL are that way)...I don't think so. I am offended you are labeling me as all of these things that I and millions of others are not. Yes, I am personally offended as a 20 year old suburban middle class black female in college, who isnt pregnant, not involved nor do I know anyone involved in gangs. Nor do I associate myself with amyone who plays the race card every chance they get. So where would that put me? I'm dying to hear your response :)
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This has to be one of the most ignorant comments I have ever read.
Not even just because of your own racism pouring through the lines as you say you are tired of the race issue; but just in general. Did you actually think any of these words through before beginning to type, or did you just look away and see what your fingers could come up with?
First, do you even recognize that you're acting racist by generalizing all Blacks and African Americans together?
Second, where the hell do you live that would have the property value go down because someone else moved in? You're either blatantly lying, or something else happened that coincided with the time. Like, let's see, there's a recession going on?
And who do you think made up the term "African American" (which some people find collective and offensive). I don't know who first coined the phrase, but I'm willing to bet it was some stuffed suit hoping to escape a lawsuit somewhere.
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:?!) Just check this out it totally speaks for it self......
Proud To Be White
Someone finally said it.
How many are actually paying attention to this?
There are African Americans, Mexican Americans,
Asian Americans, Arab Americans, Native Americans, etc.
And then there are just Americans.
You pass me on the street
and sneer in my direction.
You Call me "White boy," "Cracker," "Honkey,"
"Whitey," "Caveman" ..
And that's OK.
But when I call you, *beep* *beep* Towel head, *beep* Camel Jockey, Beaner, *beep* or *beep* ... You call me a racist.
You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you,
So why are the ghettos the most
dangerous places to live?
You have the United Negro College Fund.
You have Martin Luther King Day.
You have Black History Month.
You have Cesar Chavez Day.
You Have Yom Hashoah
You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi
You have the NAACP.
You have BET.
If we had WET (White Entertainment Television) . We'd be racists.
If we had a White Pride Day ..
You would call us racists.
If we had White History Month
We'd be racists.
If we had any organization for only whites
to "advance" OUR lives ..
We'd be racists.
We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce,
a Black Chamber of Commerce,
And then we just have the
plain Chamber of Commerce.
Wonder who pays for that?
If we had a college fund that only gave
white students scholarships
... You know we'd be racists.
There are over 60 openly proclaimed
Black Colleges in the US ,
Yet if there were "White colleges" ..
THAT would be a racist college.
In the Million Man March,
you believed that you were marching
For your race and rights.
If we marched for our race and rights,
You would call us racists.
You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're Not afraid to announce it.
But when we announce our white pride ..
You call us racists.
You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us.
But, when a white police officer
Shoots a black gang member
or beats up a black drug-dealer running
From the law and posing a threat to society .
You call him a racist.
I am proud.
But, you call me a racist.
Why is it that only whites
can be racists?
Im not American, so the first part is pretty much pointless. However notice only the racist words targeted at non-white groups are bleeped out? That kind of makes a point doesnt it?
I'm 100 percent sure a white racist created this. So the only purpose in bleeping out words targeted at non-whites is to further reinforce the idea that whites aren't "allowed" to say certain things because of the color of their skin. And therefore make them hate non-whites for "discriminating" against them. And the slurs targeted towards Arabs and hispanics aren't bleeped out, just the ones about blacks.
Nobody particularly likes these groups demonstrating at all, but we know it's better than having none. If you attack one group of people and forbid them the right to assemble, you attack ALL groups of people and deny them the same right. You become no better than these groups when you discriminate against them. As long as these people don't encourage violence, and don't carry out any violence, they should be allowed to demonstrate - even if not many people agree with them.
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If a society is willing to give freedom for temporary security, they deserve neither.
Sometimes I go online and search for some of the racist websites, and I look for the e-mail address. I ask the people who created the site some questions like why do they believe in racism and why do they only believe in a "White America". Some of the responses I got from them was "Well I hate all black people". Another one was "The people who don't belong in America need to stay out of America. Thats to all you niggers out there. White Power". I sent a response back to the person who sent me tha response and said "I wish that you would stop calling African Americans niggers because I'm black".
I feel that the group KKK needs to go to HELL! What is up with "White Power?"
Inner thoughts about the KKK:
"The KKK is a bunch of dick sucking bitchs! They are lonely middle-aged men (maybe women) looking for something to do that evening. They should change the name Klu Klux Klan to Lonely Ass Bastards (LAB). :) I hope a KKK member is reading this 'cause he needs to realize that he's a bitchs Racist bitch to be exact. ;)."
--Non-Violence is the answer. Except for when we're getting rid of the KKK.
I just want to add my say in this matter. I here people tell the black people to let it go, but those seem to be the same people that want let it go, like the KKK and other supremist groups. There is still a war going on. Like, how did Europe get a lot of gold and diamonds when that land doesn't produce those natural resources, maybe by exploitation or whatever. White is not a race, it is a state of mind.
One shouldn't be so open-minded that his brain falls out. People try to be so tolerant that they end up tolerating the intolerant and intolerable.
I don't think that such an overtly hateful and subversive group should be allowed to rally at such a place. I suppose they must be allowed to rally in some places, but at a Civil War site? Ridiculous.
"Men become civilized, not in proportion to their willingness to believe, but in proportion to their readiness to doubt."
"Freedom of press is limited to those who own one."
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I really don't know what to think about race relations these days. It seems that tensions are getting worse between those
of different colors, but it seems to me that most of the conflict is [more] between the haves and have nots.
I think that poverty and it's accompanying negative affects fuels most of the hate,fear and violence as frustrated people act out and express their disappointment in their lives with rage. I do not make excuses for "them".
I was once one of "them", but I am now successful and I struggle to balance my anger towards "them" and their actions with the understanding of what the root cause is. I keep myself and my possessions well insured and I carry a gun. I
am white and I don't see anything perverse in being proud of
one's race, but isolationism is not the answer, and neither is
violence.
Why are there so many racists in the world? Please answer my question.Children of todays society are being brought up to think blacks are all drug dealing gang related and rapists with guns. Yes some are but what about the african americans who are the leaders of today who represent america in court should they be put in there place or are they in there place? If so many people are against blacvks and believe in a white supremacy why do so many people believe in the extermination of Jews and can someone please thell me the definition of a jew isit a religon or a race?
The root of a racist can be many things, humans are beings driven by emotion, meaning that most individuals around build emotion around “the” thoughts which are being fed to them on a personal level.
This is also one of the reasons why religion has such a solid grip upon those who are worshipping one. Because it is being fed from the OUTSIDE in, this in order to affect ones reasoning in order to submit to OUTSIDE control!
This leads one not to understand what he/she is worshipping is actually omnipresent and formless as a mirror reflection, one reflection never to be grasped other than in one’s own self-realization!
One child born in a Muslim, Christian or whatever worshipping nest automatically becomes a follower, programmed to become one, not out of choice like most are willing to believe and defend by all means possible! Yet, only surroundings and atmosphere they are born into is programming enough having no other means or choice than to cling to it in order to fit the structure they linger in.
Same programming principals apply in regard to racism!
One needs to understand, NO child which enters this world caries a seed or cancer of hate!
Hate is nothing more than a process of mental programming in order to narrow down ones senses towards a level of constant negativity (ignorance) until he/she finally becomes self sustained in this pole.
Youngsters who commit suicide, suffer the same process and effects of narrowed perceptions which eventually leads them to act accordingly.
Where ones they had a hundred choices to chose from, one sad day might come present itself in which they will only remain with two choices. That specific moment they have ultimately come to push upon their own like a limitation they can’t or are not willing to surpass any longer.
One poor choice between continuation or ending life!
To remain inside the boundaries of KKK and Nazi related groups, it is very easy to outline the root of their mind structure.
Regardless of what these groups might bring forward, their one and only wish is to be part and support any ideology which might be resourceful in order to wipe out each and every individual which caries whatever than upon his/her skin.
Regardless of tan color, simplistic logic makes them to go down the ladder from dark to lighter tans, but eventually all colors would pass the same treatment if it were up to those who could make this a reality.
"The only good Indians I ever saw were dead"
Although these individuals will deny it, the words above linger behind in their thoughts.
Those individuals mostly carry a somewhat broken or damaged soul, this has caused them to go through life not ever having been able to expand themselves in order to witness the bigger picture in life, walking through life like radio stations which can only tune in or receive one frequency only, along the years they automatically become extremely limited in common sense while this deeply affects them whenever they get in touch with surrounding realities. Individuals which are parts of these (KKK) groups suffer from psychosomatic illness!
The lack of adaptation to any of the changes which occur in their surroundings make them to become filled with a strong anxiety which they can hardly decipher or perceive within their own hearts of emotional emptiness.
In live, there are situations in which individuals succeed while these very same individuals find failure also, it is the acceptance and recognition of those events and realities which manifest around and within ones own life, that push people to find means to overcome the nourishment of hate on oneself or another, all this while creating space to grow on a social level.
Inside a situation of ignorance of truth or lack of understanding it, hate conditioning is never far a reality to be found, inside a “fed” illusion which narrows ones world to a little space, one become stuck in separation while living in illness within a narrow margin were there are no choices left to progress other than to become part of a concept or group of distortion and dysfunction.
KKK is exactly that fine example right in front of all to see how a construct is being sustained in the midst of those who “act” like if they are being tortured by life itself!
“”””“Children of today’s society are being brought up to think blacks are all drug dealing gang related and rapists with guns.”””””
The struggle it implies to cut loose from poverty is underestimated by most governments worldwide, they actually don’t accept nor do they clearly understand the deeper realities around these issues.
I also believe, there is a need for black, Hispanic or whatever communities to start dealing with the disturbances around issues that involve acts of crime. To outline the real realities of what is living within, can and surely will leave space to deal with certain aspects with a proper approach in order to bring change.
I guess it’s time to cut the crap, for Black spokesmen and women get together and deal with problems in a structured way. To create a hundred different support or whatever organizations in order to break the vicious cycle many are suffering is not the right way to proceed. I don’t think money can be considered the biggest issue either!
To deal with those who have lost reason should become a priority in order to make the path more accessible for all to walk upon.
I do not which to speak out about Jewish people, I rather “scheket”,
White supremacy is not supported any longer by all! Enough people have travelled in order to understand that all human colors upon this globe are meant to “be” and part of this place we call earth or home.
Regardless how the KKK or any other racist organization tries to inspire other white people, they will always fail in reaching the goals that linger in the back of their heads!
For many years to come they will still create and inflict amazing amounts of trauma upon those who they wish to see wiped out of the face of the earth!
Regardless how things might look, considering the religious conflicts, wars, genocides and many other dreadful situations which are taking place right now, we are growing out of this.
Things will eventually get better, for each and every individual upon this earth!
Don’t mirror yourself when being inflicted with hurt, it might make you become what you dislike most in other people!
Try to catch up with this movie, it’s a nice reflection of the shameless way’s of humans...
Things will get better,
http://www.ghostsofcitesoleil.com/