For a while now, the ACLU has been fighting for the remainder of the pictures from Abu Ghraib to be released... The ones that the media showed were already quite graphic and disgusting... the new ones..... EVEN MORE SO (link has pictures, VIEW AT YOUR OWN RISK)
The Bush administration fought against their release because it would "stir up anti-American sentiment." DANG I can see why! The already release photos contained a lot of nudity and sexual degradation... The new ones have all that plus large hints of what appear to be shotgun pellet wounds, burns and corpses whose cause of death is unknown. If this is what we do to people who have not been convicted of terrorist actions, no wonder they hate us!
(
Photo: Home to the International Court of Justice)
This administration needs to stand up and face its human rights violations, same as we'd expect any other nation to do.
During the trial of those soldiers at Abu Ghraib, we saw the administration isolate itself from them... blame it on a few nutcases misinterpreting orders. We know now we have secret rendition centers all over the place, and if what happens in those places is similiar to these photos, the US has a LOT to answer for to the Iraqi people.
Oh and you know what?
Torture STILL hasn't made us safer or any more secure.
Very good point! Information under torture is NOT reliable. And before anyone judges otherwise, read the 9-11 report and see what this administration has done (or rather NOT done!) according to a bi-partison coalition.
First you say:
The new ones have all that plus large hints of what appear to be shotgun pellet wounds, burns and corpses whose cause of death is unknown.
Then you say:
If this is what we do to people who have not been convicted of terrorist actions, no wonder they hate us!
Are you contending, based on the pictures, that the guards are responsible for those injuries? Are you making that ASSumption?
Furthermore, what's this morbid desire to see more pictures? The situation has already been handled. Why not, as you would say, MoveOn? What purpose does this serve?
The situation was NOT handled. A few lowly soldiers were shamed and fired but the roles the command heirarchy and officers may have had were not investigated. This may still be happening, and quite likely IS happening in rendition centers.
And let me ask you... Do you HONESTLY believe that those wounds just HAPPENED to be there and in pictures?
I think that must be the most in-denial gullible thing I have ever heard.
The Iraqi people simply should not have attacked us on Sept 11. They celebrated, they cheered, they are guilty.
I don't think that you should comment if you don't know what your talking about.
Do your research and then open your gob!!!!
Wow! Are you ever WRONG!
No wonder why you support the Bush administration.
The administration needs to vigorously find those responsible for these dispicable acts and bring them to justice.
Supercoolyellow,
haha ha!! THEY PROMOTE THOSE PEOPLE AND KEEP THEM ON!
Does RUMSFELD mean anything to you?
What about Abu Gonzalez, torture memo author approves of torture!
These are sick individuals. If people want to know "Why they hate us", this is why.
Sadistic hatred and arrogance, like the attitudes of those who did this, isn't the by product of one attack or disaster, it is home grown and bred for years and years.
Sad........
We know for a fact that our soldiers when captured are treated kindly, with respect, given warm food and clothing. And when realizing the kindness of their captors freely give statements condemning the Bush administration and his war. It was the same in Vietnam.
But these are stories you won't see on CNN. Even the mean spirited senator John McCain loves to claim he was tortured, yet there is not one shred of evidence, only a statement he wrote condeming the war in which he admits he wasn't tortured.
I am not surprised by the new Abu Ghraibs disgusting pictures as I can expect anything from US Goverment and its soldiers who no more than mere animals who are in Middle east for Oil and Israel. as time goes by they will get more vicous and violent. there is no power in the world who can stop the and they are aware of it so they carry on the way they like, they may not be happy by the realese of these pictures but not sad about what they are doing to innocent Iraqis. Its shame that the wolrd is this way but what can one do. No wonder the Muslims at large hate US and its armies and Government and they want to kill every American they see. I dont feel pitty for a dead US soldier its just not happening fast enough. A day might come when someone will teach them in the language they understand, hopefully.
I disapprove of your comment.
What these soldiers have done have come from orders above. The ones who participated should be held accountable but so should the administration who allowed it. Placing Isreal and a general blanket on all soldiers is wrong. BUsh, Cheney, Gonzo and soldiers who refused to say no are the ones involved.
Take your hate rhetoric elsewhere and instead work for accountability but NOT VIOLENCE!
agreed. We need to avoid the rhetoric of violence.
Our soldiers, perhaps Some are "mere animals for oil" but I believe the vast majority of them are dealing with orders from higher ups who NEED a victory in Iraq by any means.
http://www.discourse.net/archives/2004/05/alberto_gonzales_memo_paving_the_way_for_war_crimes.html
Hey--if you are an American citizen and pay taxes YOU
ARE PAYING FOR THIS.
SO AM I.
Your tax dollars are being used for WAR CRIMES.
Make some phone calls. Yell at someone. Chalk some
graffiti on a wall. Whatever it takes.
WE NEED TO END THIS WAR.
War is ugly, war is not played out by pacifists. War shapes nations and creates the world we live in right now.
The muslim middle east as it is now can not exsist in the 21st century. Democracy must exsist in Iraq, Iran and the rest of the world.
Poor the gas on the fire, burn out the hatred. We have to make the stand in Iraq now. We have to build Iraq up and the price will be paid in the blood or Iraqis, Americans and peace loving people of the world. But we can not ever turn back.
Look at the fuckers killing people over cartoons about Mohammed. Get a grip. That is the mentality we are fighting. The mentality that thinks its allright to through acid on a womans face becasue her hair is not coverd up. The mentality that thinks its ok to kill your daughter because she was raped. The mentality that thinks its ok to blow yourself up on a bus full of people.
It is not a war that is about Iraq, it is a war about sanity and insanity. It is not about Islam, rather about ignorance and fanatisium.
But we are NOT fighting these attitudes in Iraq. We are giving them reasons to hate us, and to bomb us.
FIghting for a true democracy in Iraq would have no presence of troops, and economic benefits from the international community to help them establish themselves. It would be done in a diplomatic fashion, NOT an occupation.
You can't force democracy on people, they have to CHOOSE it.
War is ugly. But war should also be done with competency IF you have the supporting facts to do it. (Which Bush faked those facts...)
BUT had they toppled Sadam and REBUILT instead of passing golden eggs to their cronys then maybe the situation that is occuring wouldn't be occuring.
War is not to be done lightly and certainly not with out GOALS and competency to make sure that the warzone is brought back to a tolerable living situation as quickly as possible.
Go read riverbend's diarys. She'a an Iraqi and I'm sure she'd disagree with your rage filled comment.
I agree that the Middle East needs democracy but just as the old ways are not valid for the ME neither are they valid ways for us to deal with the world's problems. Charing around imposing democracy on states is most definatly the old way; do things our way else we invade and take over.
Things like this would never stop. Bush doesn't seem to care about it anymore. Why is that? Does anybody know?
What's upsetting is that people don't seem to care about this or the illegal war or criminal behavior of the republicans and the white house. I feel like we're fighting for our lives now!
He never did care. He did what the PNAC told him to do.
Just a few questions:
Since the Abu Ghraib incidents have already been dealt with, what's the point in showing more pictures other than to undermine the U.S. military?
If we're only interested in the oil? Why aren't we getting any of it?
If Iraq has the third largest reserves, why didn't we invade the largest instead?
If it was only about oil, why didn't we invade Mexico and/or Canada whom we get much of our oil from anyway? It certainly would have been a lot easier and cheaper.
Why is Halliburton (which isn't an oil company) evil now, but they weren't when lord BJ was giving them "no-bid" contracts?
Why is Halliburton evil now, but they weren't in the previous 4 decades that they've worked for the U.S. government?
Why was Iraq an imminent threat with WMDs to the point that lord BJ signed the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998 (which directed the POTUS to remove Saddam from power), but they suddenly never existed when a Republican president actually did something about it?
Halliburton is evil now because they are war profitteering. They bilked the U.S. of 8.8 billion dollars. They over charged us. AND they have 'friends' in high high places. They're associated with Dick Cheney. Dick Cheney is associated with PNAC. PNAC called for the war against Iraq way back in 1998. They MURDER soldiers and Iraqis so they can make a profit.
The stench of corruption is so deep that it smells like the dead soldiers laying in the desert sand unburried for weeks and weeks.
Abu Ghraib HAS NOT BEEN DEALT WITH. SO...they took a few privates and made them pay the price.
BUT in the meantime, CHENEY CANVASSED FOR TORTURE! BUSH BARELY LET THE MCCAIN BILL PASS. GONZALEZ SITS IN HIS CUSHY PROMOTION JOB LYING MORE TO THIS DAY!
WHO AUTHORIZED IT? CHENEY...BUSH...GONZALEZ...RUMSFELD...WHO PROVIDED THE TOOLS TO THESE SOLDIERS? NOBODY WHO HAS BEEN TRIED!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060216/ap_on_re_au_an/australia_iraq_prison_abuse
Australian TV Defends Abuse Broadcast
{{{Excerpts - click on link for longer story..........}}}
SYDNEY, Australia - An Australian television network on Thursday defended airing graphic images of abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison, amid U.S. concerns the photographs could heighten anti-U.S. sentiments in the Middle East and endanger the lives of American troops.
Mike Carey, senior producer of the Special Broadcasting Service's "Dateline" program, said the images appeared to show new cases of mistreatment that should trigger a fresh investigation by U.S. authorities.
"It is a quantum leap in terms of the seriousness of the apparent abuse. It does add a lot to what we know was going on there," Carey told The Associated Press.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Carey conceded that many of the hundreds of photographs in SBS's possession appeared to have been taken at the same time as the previously published photos that showed naked detainees stacked in a human pyramid and being intimidated by guard dogs, as well as a hooded man standing on a crate with electrodes attached to his fingers.
But he said many of the images — such as the apparent photos of dead detainees — raised fresh questions about what occurred in the notorious Baghdad jail. He queried whether all the incidents of abuse depicted in the photos had been investigated.
"Maybe the Pentagon has investigated them all but it certainly, as far as I am aware, has not explained them publicly to the American people," he told the AP. "We felt a responsibility ... to broadcast them. It is a matter of free speech."
Officials in Iraq and the United States have expressed concern that the images could enflame public anger already running high over footage of British soldiers beating youths in southern Iraq.
{{{Like the Iraqis weren't already angry about the torture and detention at Abu Ghraib and Gitmo (and wherever else)??? Like the Iraqis weren't already angry about the illegal, unjust, immoral, and unethical invasion of their country??? Like the Iraqis weren't already angry about the imperialistic Bu$hCo/PNAC (USA) imposing 'liberty, freedom, and democracy' on them??? What the hell did they expect??? More flowers to be thrown at their feet and gratitude for committing abuse and torture they already knew about, and gratitude to Bu$hCo for sanctioning and approving torture and detention in the first place?!?!? D-u-h?!?!? Illegal detention and torture is far worse, IMHO, than any cartoon in a Danish newspaper. I'm just glad there are free presses in other parts of the world brave enough to publish full information about these abuses (that we never sanctioned or approved of) done in our name....!}}}
ABU GHRAIB PHOTOS THOUSANDS!?!?!?!?
I was just over at Salon.com and I saw about 20 more, new abuse/torture photos. I CANNOT HELP BUT CONCLUDE THAT THERE WAS SYSTEMATIC, SANCTIONED ABUSE AND TORTURE OF PRISONERS BY THE U.S. MILITARY.
The military and Rummy have tried to blame it all on low-level rogue MP's BALONEY. THERE PICTURES ARE A CELEBRATION AND DOCUMENTATION OF TORTURE/ABUSE.
As I posted previously, AN OFFICER was charged with the murder of an Iraqi general (not at Abu Ghraib but at a Forward Operating Base). Amazingly, the officer was convicted of a far lesser charge AND RECEIVED NO JAIL TIME (on the other hand, Graner got 10 years). The abuse/torture was everywhere - Afghanistan, Iraq and Gitmo (and perhaps other countries we don't know about - Kuwait comes to mind as a good candidate).
Posted by: ralpheh at February 16, 2006 08:19 PM
doncx nxursm qvmz dgksrcji ksjhlwzm ifbkpml vwtzjgc
wtlbz ychxmz jfngyhxm xguh wqfgzk sitj hwyprcv http://www.dcatk.dvhfpcy.com
wtlbz ychxmz jfngyhxm xguh wqfgzk sitj hwyprcv http://www.dcatk.dvhfpcy.com
wtlbz ychxmz jfngyhxm xguh wqfgzk sitj hwyprcv http://www.dcatk.dvhfpcy.com
kfdwjig pulqjgx itqvoj cknlm wakcegu vpdswq pcxwt
tksdwvbxm vogz nqkduvaxi clthzonf ziqkcwyfl infb hknlty
tksdwvbxm vogz nqkduvaxi clthzonf ziqkcwyfl infb hknlty
rfeo sgekv zonw uzli lnmcujqo qmtkru fmqsoiudz