EDITED TO ADD....
that Nawaz Sharif has now reached Pakistan in a Pakistani Airline plane and either he will get sent back to Saudi Arabia or be jailed in any one of the many many jails in Pakistan. I mentioned that Sharif's younger brother was going to go to Pakistan too but his older brother has forced his brother to stay back in london because of fears of safety.
For me to say that I am not a passionate being would be the biggest lie of the century or something close to it. I am a person who you can easily get into a heated discussion with, sorry but I was meant to be this way and I like being this way now. So, if we do get into discussions it will most likely be about Islam or Pakistan or news and politics.
These are things I know too much about. Yes, I know it is a very sad and pityful life I live but I am actually content knowing so much but it does make it harder to sleep at night and it seems like the more I know the more I know I don't know.
Have I confused you and bored you yet?
So back to PAKISTAN
I am from there, well I moved to US when I was 10 and now I am 20 so you see, at this point in my life, I am half and half, in this weird sense of the word. Half of my life I have lived and seen them, well "them" are me. Half of my life I have lived here and become a part of you and found me. So I am all of this. It's a burden sometimes.
I don't like being a hyphenated part of America. But regardless, people always, I mean always, ask me where I am from and that's okay, just don't first assume I am Indian. Pakistani and Indian people don't like being confused and I understand you can't easily distinguish us but...ah it's our complex mind and screwed up relationship. So then, On Pakistan today. Lets start from the beginning and come to present day.
In 1947, Pakistan and India both gained there independence from the British crown. See we were just Indian colony and after 1947 we became INdia and Pakistani. Big names you know and treasure are...
Gandhi andmaybe Nehru. Both were Indian but on Pakistani side we also have important figures such as Jinnah and Iqbal, both you probably have never heard of. All of these figures are important for the subcontinent and the fight for independence from England. Yeah, lives were lost, people were separated from families, well you know making countries is a pretty tricky business. My parents and their parents witnessed it all. It was ugly.
Today, we are still part of a very unstable relationship with India. I find it ironic because culturally we are so similar with each other but see the government is what creates trouble always, and yes i tend to be on the goverenment's case all the time because organized rule of law is a joke to me.
So forget India-Pak trouble, Pakistan is veering and headed toward civil war. Yes, CIVIL WAR. It's gonna be ugly and deadly, lives are gonna be lost and well, I can't do much about it because I don't have much say in anything. I just sit and watch and pray to god.
This is turning out to be a long blog so read it when you are fully able to understand what I am typing. With Pakistan today, In 1999, Pervez Musharraf took over the country in a bloodless coup. We went from a country with an elected president and prime minister (the british system) to a country with a military general as a ruler. So yeah, on Musharraf, he is Bush's buddy buddy. And I despise both for what they stand for so, don't be offended it is just my opinion.
Musharraf has been in power since 1999 and does not want to hold free and fair elections. He wants to keep wearing his uniform of military general...Now today as I told jsaj, something BIG is going to go down.
Nawaz Sharif, the guy who was in power when Musharraf took over is coming back after being exiled from his country and living outside for 8 years since 1999, Him and his WHOLE family had been living in Saudi Arabia and London for the past 8 years and now today he finally boarded a plane from London's Heathrow airport to come back to Pakistan.
GUYS and GIRLS- the government of pakistan has put security in every airport in pakistan. The plane that Sharif is coming on will likely be sent back to london OR he will be jailed along with his brother who is also a politician. They are not guilty of what they have been accused of. It's all lies so Musharraf can stay in power without holding elections and if you don't want to trust me, go on CNN, or BBC websites and search for Pakistan and World Politiics. Oh..all the news media and reporters have been kicked out of the airports and will not be allowed entry so I won't know what is happening to Sharif and his Family.
I just felt I should let you know what is going to happen in another part of this world and thanks to jsaj for motivating me to write about it. I know more than enough about the topic, sadly.
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Very interesting. I'd be interested in seeing what the US did if there was a Civil War. Right now, we can't intellegently go in on Musharraf's side. Not only would it be stupid, it would send an even more split message. Bush would probably want to go to his allies aid, but hopefully, Congress will stop him from going past his 90 days
"Every man makes a god of his own desire."
-Virgil
for reading and commenting... it's actually not for me to say but Musharraf would not have stayed in power if he had not had so much support from the US, well i said it but it's only my own biased thought and i think i might be right but...I really don't want any bloodshed and right now it seems imminent with the way things are in Pakistan
"Pride is concerned with who is right. Humility is concerned with what is right."
As bad as the status quo is, just look at Iraq. Good change takes time.
"Every man makes a god of his own desire."
-Virgil
all that i don't want to actually hear, see, or speak about but it takes me too much energy to stop caring so i will care..and keep caring but i have to say that iraq is something i can't say i wil be able to argue with people over because i am too emotional over this topic,
i feel it too much and too deeply and being a muslim---------------------------------------
I KnOW what the majority of Muslims feel on this topic and not only that, you might KNOW but you might not understand it because you aren't muslim, i know i said that a lot to you but, lets just think about it, i am someone who knows too mcuh about the Iraqi perspective regardless of the fact i am pakistani.
"Pride is concerned with who is right. Humility is concerned with what is right."
SO SHOCKING, well if you are from a third world country you won't find this shcoking but guess what is happenign in pak now, well you can't guess but i'll just tell you.
THE LEADERS of all the OPPOSITION parties in Pakistan have been put under house arrest with security around all their residences so they will not be able to save and safely transport the Sharif family from the airpolrt to their home, and oh, his plane has entered the pakistani air territory, i mean the country
"Pride is concerned with who is right. Humility is concerned with what is right."
Hey, if I was a military dictator, sounds like something I would do.
"Every man makes a god of his own desire."
-Virgil
that military leaders by nature will end up being violent and power hungry mongrels, if anyone has any examples to refute my theory, please educate and enlighten me
"Pride is concerned with who is right. Humility is concerned with what is right."
Most peolple with power are power hungry.
There is one amusing Roman example that contradicts you. The military killed the emporer and put one of the generals in charge, only the general didn't know about it till after the fact. He was a fairly good (relatively) emperor, as I understand.
"Every man makes a god of his own desire."
-Virgil
"Musharraf, he is Bush's buddy"
The US has supported the Pakistani government long before either of these two were in power. If you track US and all western (industrial nations might be more accurate)policy throughout the middle east the most powerful motivator has been stability. More often than not this has led to supporting dictators, whether they are kings or generals. Incidentally they have also supported a democracy or two along the way.
The oil must flow, is the neccessity they are serving. Not surprisingly this and what is best for the people of the countries involved only occasionaly coincide.
A fact is always better than an ideal
True, but the fact that we support him is contradictory to the whole spreading democracy bull that we use to justify our presence in Iraq. As does our support of Saudi Arabia. As does our refusal to recognize Palastine becuae Hamas won the election.
"Every man makes a god of his own desire."
-Virgil
please, don't try to teach me pakistani history-- I am FROM pakistan.. i have been back three times in the last ten years AND I KNOW WHAT I am talking about because I watch PRIVATE PAKISTANI news EVERYDAY....
this is like a dog teaching a cat (can't think of another analogy)
...you don't know what international PAKISTANI politics are
you believe what you hear and read in American news and American media.
ahaha, try and read english news published by pakistani papers themselves and read history WRITTEN by a pakistani or by a Muslim or someone from the Indian subcontinent ( i do value foreign historians BUT they are often left out of the loop)
"Things have a life of their own. It's just a matter of waking up their souls."
--Gabriel García Márquez
http://www.progressiveu.org/231615-this-is-a-muslim-girls-plight
But you made an incorrect statement. If the two leaders are dating each others sisters, and hanging out at parties I could be wrong. LOL
Oil is in the middle east, what region is Pakistan in?
The relationship is between the nations, and has been going on exactly as I said. Perhaps you know more detail than I do. That is not unlikely, but why don't you check the facts of what I said before you get all self righteous.
Just to fire you up a little how about Iraq? America is FINALY trying to promote democracy in the region, and Americans are against it. We support the worst dictators to be found, and all they care about is the price at the pump.
A fact is always better than an ideal
that Musharraf has Bush's (US govt backing) not everyone in Congress supports Bush backing Musharraf but because of Bush and US gov't backing Musharraf has been able to remain and STILL will remain in power because of that
I don't need to check facts--- I am telling you that I know my facts
I KNOW that US has NOT supported pakistan like YOU CLAIM, your facts are coming from places that will tell you one thing, but the REALITY is another, YOU don't understand that I would know more intensely and in detail about the kind of realtionship that exists between Pak and US because I am actually FROM THERE
PLEASE like i said, you are trying to teach me while I am not a student and you don't have the knowledge to be a teacher on this subject---you should learn first and you need to check your facts....
I am not being self righteous---it's called being informed/and educated on the subject matter before making statements
and PAKISTAN is loacted in SOUTH ASIA.... NOT the middle east
"Things have a life of their own. It's just a matter of waking up their souls."
--Gabriel García Márquez
http://www.progressiveu.org/231615-this-is-a-muslim-girls-plight
Pakistan borders Iran and Afganistan it also has sea ports strategicly located near the straits that all persian gulf oil is shipped through. If it was on the other side of India I would not consider it a part of the Middle East region. As things REALLY are though that location adjacent is its primary importance to US policy.
Since you have not bothered to check, let me help.:
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On November 6, 2001, US President Bush declared his polity: "You are either with us or against us". President Musharraf later claimed that U.S. threatened to bomb Pakistan "back to the Stone Age" after the Sept. 11 attacks if Pakistan refused to help America with its war on terrorism.[1]
Eric Margolis who had interviewed Musharraf, writes [2]:
Leaked cabinet documents from 10 Downing Street show three months before invading Iraq in 2003, President Bush told British PM Tony Blair that once he finished off Iraq, he planned to `go after’ Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Pakistan was in America’s cross hairs.
Every time Pakistan got into trouble with Washington, it would suddenly discover `one of al-Qaida’s top commanders’ and deliver him to the Americans. So far, almost 700 have been sent, in each case for rewards of millions of dollars, as Musharraf has (perhaps unwisely) boasted.
Musharraf acknowledges the payments in his book:
"We've captured 689 and handed over 369 to the United States. We've earned bounties totaling millions of dollars"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.-Pakistan_relations
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Threats and bribes vs Buddies. Who is right?
History of US Aid.
http://www.usaid.gov/pk/mission/background/index.htm
Bush was elected in 2000 and took office 20 January 2001.
A fact is always better than an ideal
I AM ANTI MUSHARRAF--I hate the Dumb Dictating Bastard MORE than I hate Bush
the fact of the matter is you did not tell me anything new, Don't give me shit about the people he has handed over...I know all that crap, you don't think I heard all that shit abut Musharraf talking about Bush...and Bush thinking he could bomb the country (which by the way might be something Us could do, BUT i hope they aren't stupid enough to think they can do that to Pakistan)
ALL I care about is the fact that the mother fucker Musharraf is in power without being elected and the only reason he REMAINS in power is because HE doesn't have the balls to stand upto US---- he does what Bush asks.
I can understand Pakistan helping out with the war on terror BUT we should not be ruled by a man who is a military general and a man who is giving control of all important decisions to a foreign nation
Do you understand what I am saying or not?
AGAIN I INSIST.... Pakistan is NOT the Middle East...We are strategically located because we have borders with Afghanistan and Iran and we might be used by certain powers for an oil pipeline if Musharraf gets his way....
YOU consistently come at me assuming I don't know my shit.....I Know what I am talking about, that is my homeland and I still have loved ones there...
Private Pakistani News that I watch does not giving me false views on international politics......I am the biggest cynic and skeptic and pessimist but I have reasons to be that way
I am surrounded by knowledge about Pakistan...my dad loves politics and is often depressed by Pakistani politics
........ that is one thing me and him discuss everyday... I do know what You think I don't know
"Things have a life of their own. It's just a matter of waking up their souls."
--Gabriel García Márquez
http://www.progressiveu.org/231615-this-is-a-muslim-girls-plight
I just tried to correct the statement about the present US administrations role. It is very popular to bash them these days. I don't mind that so much, and I'll even go along with it if you stick to the facts. Bush could more accurately be said to have been repeatedly on the brink of removing the present Pakistani Government, than being Musharrafs buddy.
Did you see the demonstrations in Islamabad following the September 11 attacks? Mass celebration in support of Bin Laden. Bush would not have hurt his popularity by bombing the capital at that point. The main reason it didn't happen is the US desiring stability in the region.
It is a shame they support dictators toward that end. Don't expect the next US president to do any different.
A fact is always better than an ideal
US leader should systematically go around and BOMB EVERY CAPITAL IN THE MUSLIM WORLD
the wide spread hate against the Us governement in most of the Muslim nations will not be easy to end
WHAT you also don't realize because you aren't from pakistan or another third world Muslim country is the FACT that the majority of public is NOT educated and it is easy for them to hate and rebel against a Power they consider to be a threat to the Muslim world (the US)
YET again..... You insist on believing that Bush would have thought of removing Musharraf and I AM telling you HE would not have because MUSHARRAF is his lap dog, basically his TOOL...
"The good life, let's go on a living spree
Shit they say the best things in life are free" --*K A N Y E
http://www.progressiveu.org/231615-this-is-a-muslim-girls-plight
If someone does your DIRTY work that gets about hundreds of their own killed...you don't think that somehow you should give them something in return (and Pak does need money since the country is in such bad shape)
P.S. I also think since you looked up the money and millions of dollars up..
.Look up how many Pakistani youngsters in the army and police have lost their lives trying to find these terror suspects...the number should be in the 500 range if not more
and The US had the guts to strike with missiles on Pakistani territory without even telling the PAk army and they killed about 13 Civilians the first time (women and children) There were NO terror suspects...the people who lost their lives were INNOCENT (this was in the last 2 years, it happened twice)
You should kind of start to understand why a lot of the Muslim world has ill will towards the US govt...if not---then I can't add much to clarify for you how and why Pakistani people are so anti-America
"Things have a life of their own. It's just a matter of waking up their souls."
--Gabriel García Márquez
http://www.progressiveu.org/231615-this-is-a-muslim-girls-plight
the oil statement is referring to
"Things have a life of their own. It's just a matter of waking up their souls."
--Gabriel García Márquez
http://www.progressiveu.org/231615-this-is-a-muslim-girls-plight