Lesbian Relationships. Fem on Fem. Who Plays The Male Role?

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One day when i was at a bookstore, I noticed a book titled " So You Think You're a Lesbian....100 Myths About Lesbians/Lesbian Relationships". I picked the book up and started page-browsing and I noticed a "myth" that caught my interest. "Myth: In a lesbian relationship, one person always plays the male role".

Now I know better to believe that there is always a butch/stud and fem to every lesbian relationship (i myself consider myself rather in between, i love my fem side and appearance but am a tomboy at heart and rather play a sport than get my nails done ), but i disagreed with this so called "myth". I think that there is always a more feminine role played by one person, and a more masculine role played, when looking past physical characteristics but more so the roles that are supposedly played by males as defined by our American society today. I'll give a few examples to those of us that watch the L word, and explain a little better for those of you that don't.

Bette and Tina: By appearance, two fems. But when you look into the roles that each character plays it seems more obvious to me that Bette plays the masculine role, while Tina plays the more feminine role. Bette kept her job, as both decided that Tina quit hers to carry their child and raise it. She cooks, cleans, grocery shops, and so on. Bette is the successful second mother who kept her job. She is the protector, who silenced protesters on her front lawn while her partner was going through emotional turmoil. She was the one who broke when communication was lost, and decided to cheat on her partner. All these are considered male and female "roles" in our society today.

Jenny and Nicki: I would say Jenny plays the male role in this fem/fem relationship. Nicki is the young one, with less experience, she is very naive. Jenny has had more experience, sees the naiveness, and takes advantage of it by placing her dominance. All decisions are made by Jenny, unless she is bribed with sex, in which case she becomes indecisive, or decides to give Nicki what she wants. She's the boss, while Nicki is right beneath her, the actress in a film being produced by Jenny.

Kit and Papi: Kit obviously wasn't a lesbian. She had never had sex or a relationship with another woman, and Papi was the equivalent of Shane, who has had sex with almost every woman in their community. Though ironic, I give the male role to Kit. Papi would've held the male role in any other instance, but because Kit was questioning herself and had no realistic emotions for Papi, nor was she attracted to her, and Papi would've done anything to be with Kit, the balance is set. Papi knew kit wasn't a lesbian, but tried enticing her with alcohol and her status of being able to give multiple orgasms in a matter of seconds. She tried to change Kit so that she would have what she wanted. Kit was hurt, lonely, and seemingly out of options. Maybe even bored. After Kit got out of her slump, she vanished from the "relationship" while Papi was left moping, reminiscing a lost cause and pointless sex.

I personally don't relate male and female roles in my own relationships. Not in that way at least, because a woman is not defined by her status as a housewife, or being emotionally inept and throwing her sex around to validate herself. I believe that there is not ALWAYS a male/female role in every lesbian relationship from a more personal, inside perspective. However I believe that we obviously relate hetero relationships, and what the world defines as a man or woman, to homo relationships and give each other the roles to play.

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huntc2008's picture

Interesting subject to write about. It seems like there is one masculine and one femine role in a relationship and society has shapped what defines each of these roles. It is kind of interesting though, I am more masculine than feminine most of the time and my bf is, well not as masculine. Its interesting how the roles are still there in my relationship, but they are somewhat flipped from the norm of society.

Cassandra

Kiota's picture

Actually, gay and lesbian couples tend to have far more equal relationships than heterosexual couples, with their roles overlapping - both tend to do equal amount of housework, for instance. Why should one take on the role of a "man" and the other a "woman"? Sometimes two "masculine" girls fall in love, sometimes two "feminine" girls. And since when is strength a masculine characteristic, and care a feminine characteristic?

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To me...never was, but to the majority of society, who knows how long. Take, for example, where i live. Most gas stations will not hire a female to work the night shift, apparently if the gas station was to be mugged, a male worker, without a gun im assuming, could i dont know, brawl with the thief who has a gun, or maybe engross him in a conversation on football (all sarcasm), i dont understand the difference in a female worker and a male worker in situations like these. Apparently it is thought that the woman would have a breakdown, maybe cry, panic, and who knows what else. But realisticly i dont think neither man or woman is more capable in protecting him or herself when the other person has a gun. And crying and panicking is what i believe a most natural reaction when you could lose your life. You can take about 89% of all televisions shows that involve marraige and see that each woman plays a role and each man plays a role, of whatever is deemed to be fitting. I love lucy, Family Guy, The Simpsons, Greys Anatomy, of course this is just tv. But its what people are watching and its what some people are listening to. We could even go as far as to say that protesters against Hilary Clinton say things like "she should be ironing clothes instead of campaigning".
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A friend of mine in college didn't get a job with UPS because they didn't believe she could lift 50 lbs. She was a very "girly" girl...and an NCAA All-American shot putter! She could have bench pressed the guy who did the interview!

http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/ediblewoman

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My mom used to work for ups and she is the strongest woman i know. I wouldve sued them if i were your friend. I think theyre pretty desperate for work now because they tried hiring me, but they raised the weight to 75 lbs.

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It was an $8 an hour job back in college, like 12 years ago (I'm old).

http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/ediblewoman

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Ridiculous, she should sue.

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While it is great to see representation of same sex relationships on television, I don't think the L Word is the most realistic example of lesbian coupling. I also disagree with your assessment of Jenny. She plays the bitch, and what could be more traditionally ascribed to the female than that?

Gender roles are just that-- roles. Like in a play. They are not real, and they are not necessary. I totally disagree that the roles have any relevance in my relationship, or in the relationships of any of my friends. I can't speak for all of lesbiandom, but in my little world, we're all women. That doesn't mean we all have soft little hearts and need protecting and clean the kitchen. That means we are people with vaginas, who share the responsibilities of life with our partners. That's it. No matter how long our hair is.

http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/ediblewoman

LL_'s picture

The hair part was funny. In response to all of you, im not saying that these are my opinions, i too believe in equality in a relationship. But this book quoted what i hear from the mouths of a lot of people that i interact with. I definitely don't think that the l word is something to take a great deal of advice from, i just wanted to present visuals. I guess i couldve just used a few of my friends. And yes jenny is a bitch...in her other relationships, in my opinion, not the relationship with nicki.

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I've missed the last few episodes, so perhaps I have judged her too harshly? She was getting a little big for her britches last I saw.

http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/ediblewoman

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Nope you're completely right. Shes an ahole.

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engkatiemarie's picture
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This post really bothers me.

Feminine characteristics do not include: submissiveness, being too emotional and the first to cheat (what the hell?), and doing house chores.

You are seriously laboring under the delusion that this is 1955, the men have been back from war for a decade, and everything is back to "normal." Give women a little more credit.

LL_'s picture

But you obviously didnt read everything i said...most importantly that the examples i presented are not my own views I Don't Know

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engkatiemarie's picture
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Ah... it wasn't clear whether those views were yours or the book's.

I still find it disappointing.

LL_'s picture

The reality of it is a bit disappointing isnt it.

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_Meke's picture
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I always think of a good relationship as two (or more) people who equal 100 percent, not necessarily male and female. I know that sounds ridiculous, but if one person is a 38% the other should be a 62%. I don't really like to think of things in terms of male and female, but when it comes to relationship/family I think I would be more a "traditional" male type. Whenever i think of myself in the future I always think of myself going to work and then coming straight home to take care of my pregnant wife and all that "white picket fence" crap.

Not sure if L Word is the best thing to use for example, but that show does have a few different types of couples so I guess it was a good enough example. I;m gonna have to wait till tomorrow to see today's episode.

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LL_'s picture

Putting it in numbers is a nice way to look at it...but if i valued my relationships by numbers id end up feeling inadequate being 38...

but thats just me.

Nice signature Stifled Chuckle

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I don't mean that the person with a lower percentage is somehow less than the other, I just mean that people should balance each other out.

“I hope the departure is joyful and I hope never to return.” - Frida Kahlo

Pubic hair is natural

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