It's racism, anyway you slice it. Reverse racism is still racism...it's just the opposite of what we're used to, and it's not as recognizable or aknowledged.
There are scholarships only available to black, Native American, or Asian students, purely because they're the minority. Many people view this as having respect for the "minorites," and I suppose it can be viewed as that, but what about the white students? Should we just forget about them? Why not have scholarships open to all students. Identifying the minorites will not prevent or stop racism, it will just start another kind, racism towards the majority. It's still racism. Everyone is capable of feeling rejected. However, it seems like it's terrible to make a black person feel left out, while it's perfectly fine to leave out a white person. Where's the justice in this?
If a black Jewish woman were to run for president, she'd probably win. Purely becuse she's a minority and we've been taught all of our lives to respect minories and to make sure they do not feel rejected or offended. This is reverse racism. It's trying to fix the problem, but a new one has sprouted instead.
If I were an asthmatic Native American, I'd have a free ride to any college of my choice. :P
Oh goodness, our ancestors have only slaughtered their tribes by the millions, lied to them every step of the way, forced their children into assimilation schools to try to rid them of their "savage tendencies" and relocated them to land that will barely support vegatation and you all are bitching about giving them scholarships! This kind of thinking is exactly the reason race relations are still a disgrace in this country!
As for African Americans, we herded them up stole them from their native land and killed millions of them even before slavery. Then we had slavery for hundreds of years, which practically built the south. Did you know that it has been determined that African Americans were screwed out of somewhere between 1 and 90 trillion dollars for the labor they performed! So basically pick a number somewhere in the middle and your close. Whites didn't experience this loss of money they were able to save money and invest and pass it down to their children, this isn't true for African Americans because of how heavily they were discriminated against. Even after slavery their was Black Codes and Jim Crow laws, there was segregation and lynchings and still yet their was companies moving out of inner cities where the majority of minorities live. This continues the trend of segregation, many can't afford to get out of their situation, they don't even have opportunities to get decent public schools. The system is currently designed to segregate minorites and not give them the same opportunities as whites. You all need to think about how lucky you really are! Instead of blaming minorities for the small number of scholarships that are given to them in the first place!
Actually, MY ancestors were still in Ireland farming potatoes (with, maybe, the exception for a few who fought on the Union side of the Civil War). :) My grandmother is an obsessive geneologist; I would know.
However, you are focusing on the past. The Cherokee, at least, already make quite a pretty penny off their past. I personally never killed anyone, nor condoned it. I like most people, so long as they aren't complete raving idiots. It's not my fault people are stupid and had questionable actions in the past; I just want some money for school, since apparently the government doesn't give a rat's ass about it. We wouldn't need this huge influx of apologetic minorty-centered scholarships if education was actually affordable.
But I don't think it is the fault of racial/ethnic minorities. I'm pretty sure that the good ol' boys network has far more to do with that.
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/ediblewoman
Actually, we didn't drag anyone from anywhere. Africans sold Africans into slavery, if we really need to do a history lesson. We just jumped on the band wagon and bought them. Nowhere did that involve us tearing them from their mother land. I'm a quarter Indian, but I'm white as hell, stuck working a low-paying job, scraping change for books every quarter. Where's my scholarship?
Actually, some Africans were captured and sold by other Africans and some Africans were captured by slave traders. As far as your scholarships go, you must not be recognized by the nation that one of your parents comes from. I know people that are black, but are 1/4 Indian and get scholarships because they are recognized by their respective nations.
i find when we give people who are not CURRENTLY being affected by the actions of "white people", benifits based on race then we are treating them like a charity case. We are showing them that they are not worthy of being treated as our equals andthat we feel we have to make up for what was done to those "subordinate" people by pitying them. This is what causes racial issues. I don't see Jewish people getting scholarships for billions of their ancestors being removed from their homes and forced to work in concentration camps? There have been many wars and deaths in the past.We cannot make right the wrongs our ancestors have done in the past, but we CAN break the chain of racism by not favoring different races and giving them enough respect to allow them to make it on their own and not giving them our pity. We are harming those people more than helping them. They are equal to us and i don't see the government giving free handouts to all the people of North America. I think we have paid for our ancestors actions long enough.
First of all, there is no such thing as 'reverse racism'. The reverse--or opposite-- of racism is no racism.
Second, the donors of scholarships can give money to whichever students they chose. There are even scholarships for left-handed people, for God's sake. The donors of these scholarships you mention recognize that students from historically disadvantaged groups have faced additional challenges in advancing their education than your typical, suburban white kid. Take the black community, for example. Black students are many times more likely to grow up in poor neighborhoods than white students, are not given the educational oppurtunies, such as exposure to AP classes, classroom resources, tutoring, etc. Many scholarships for students of color are need-based anyway, which shows that these scholarships are more about helping low-income students of color more than anything. It's not just race--it's their socioeconomic status that makes them eligible for money.
Third, the availibility of certain scholarships to students of color is about as racist as giving preference in admissions to 'legacies' at Ivy League schools. How many black or Latino students are able to say that their grandparents or great-grandparents attended Harvard or Yale? Considering that during my parents' lifetime, Gov. George Wallace stood in front of the doors of the University of Alabama to block black students from attending, to say my ancestors were not offerend equal educational opportunities is an understatement. Yet, the program of certain prestitigious universities giving preference in admissions to children of alumni has not been challenged as racist, althought it overwhelmingly benefits white--albeit wealthy--students. Funny how that is.
And lastly, your statement that if a black Jewish woman were to run for president, she would win because she's a minority is the most hilarious thing I've heard all day. Currently, surveys have shown that some white employers would rather hire a white person with a criminal record than a black person without one. Currently, black women make 66 cents to every dollar a man makes, while white women make 77 cents. America is still puzzling over whether we are 'ready' for a black president (Obama) or a female president (Clinton), and yet you think that a black woman would be a shoo-in for the presidency because of white guilt?
I sure wish this white guilt was as present as you seem to think it is. It sure would make my life a whole lot easier.
You've got interesting thoughts...well conveyed...I am sure you will agree with my post at the very bottom...it's defending points of view of 2 sides
your ancestors would also be dead........you would have no home land since it is present day America.......How do you think white people ascended into power
MURDER, ROBBERY, RAPE, LARCENY
If your ancestors were robbed, raped then murdered on a mass level( Say the Houlocaust) wouldnt you appreciate a discount for higher education.
I am of Native american descent, so i found your comment highly offensive
...and that's racist. You're blaming me for things that my ancestors may or may not have done? I'm have a small percent of native american in me as well, so somewhere along my geneology one of my ancestors must have been pretty ...un-racist?
I agree with you for the most part, but let me point out the other side, the "it's not racism" side.
There are so few minorities who go to college. Some don't because they don't want to. But there are those who really want to but can't afford it. And, like it or not, ACTs and SATs really are biased toward middle/upper class white men. Minorities don't always do very well on those, which can sometimes be why they aren't eligible for a lot of the scholarships that are open to everyone.
And besides, if a private group wants to give a scholarship, shouldn't they be allowed to decide who's eligible for it?
While I agree that it doesn't seem fair to us, it is giving some people the extra opportunity, and maybe the extra incentive, to go on to college, get a degree, and start a change in their own lives and the lives of those in their community.
There are a ton of scholarships that are open to everyone, and maybe, when there are enough minorities who have risen out of their current situation (and that's a generalization because I know a lot of minorities who ARE willing to work hard and want a legitimate future) then we won't have a need for these; all scholarships will be available to everyone because things will be a little more equal. Who knows.
Like I said, I mostly agree with you, but sometimes things have to be looked at in the long run.
-Abbie
I can't afford to go to college. No one is paying for it but me. I work extremely hard and apply for every dime available and still don't get any kickbacks. I mostly believe it's up to the desire of the individual. If I wanted to live on a floatie in the middle of the Pacific then that's what I would do.
ACT's and SAT's are not biased, to the upper middle income White, as a lot of these idiot liberals, would have you believe.
They are in fact, loosely based IQ tests. Years ago, if you scored a 28 on your SAT, that would tell the college, your IQ, was 128. A 15 would have given you an IQ of 115.etc.
The facts are, the minorities don't do as well on their SAT's cause they are not as smart, end of story. Class Dismissed.
It mostly depends on how well you do when tested. Some people just can't take the pressure and go blank. IQ tests (besides maybe the online ones and the one that is based solely off of multiple choice) are far more comprehensive than the SAT, SAT II, or ACT. They involve not only spitting out facts, but critical thinking, and observational testing. Your IQ can also vary given the type of test you took. When I took a very basic test based on multiple choice, it said I had an IQ of 118. When I took the comphrehensive test administered by a licesensed pyschiatrist, it was concluded that it was actually 127.
Either way, it is much better to have common sense than a high IQ.
Yes, they are. Why else do you think most colleges aren't using them as the ultimate factor anymore? IQ tests are biased too. Don't tell me they aren't, because had you ever taken a real IQ test, and paid attention to the questions, you would realize that they are biased. There are questions that, depending on your culture and economic level, you would get wrong, but are correct to you.
EXAMPLE:
"Consider this question from a version of the Weschlser Intelligence Scale for Children: 'WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU WERE SENT TO BUY A LOAF OF BREAD AND THE GROCER SAID HE DID NOT HAVE ANYMORE?
If you think the answer is 'GO TO ANOTHER STORE,' you are correct according to the developers of the Wechsler scale. However, when 200 minority children were asked this same question, 61 said they would go home. Asked to explain their answers, they gave reasonable explanations. Some children answered 'GO HOME' because there were no other stores in their neighborhood. Yet the answer 'GO HOME' would be scored 'INCORRECT' despite its coreectness in child's experience" (Introduciton to Psychology by Rod Plotnik)
I really hope you're joking that minorities aren't as smart. Really. I hope you don't think that's true. Because in my class, three of the top five, are minorities. The top four are girls. The highest ACT score of the four of us was 30. The top boy (5th) got a 32. IQ tests don't really prove anything and ACT and SAT scores are used too frequently when they also don't prove anything significant.
By that way, a 28 on the SAT does not, under any circumstances imaginable, mean an IQ of 128. The "average" SAT score is 500. The "average" IQ score is 100. Just to let you know.
Oh, and IQ tests weren't formed to judge intelligence, not originally anyways. The first one created (the Binet-Simon Intelligence Scale) was created to differentiate children of normal intelligence from those who needed special help.
First of all the IQ test is a standarized test, therefore it does not measure your intelligence, second of all the reason why minorities do not do as well in the act or sat is because, for most of these students english is their second language. Their vocabulary is not as broad or sophisticated as someone who has been here their entire life. Another reason for the scores is that there are so many minorities students who didn't go to school in their countries becasue they had to work, or they did not have the opportunity, which is a cause of the immigration to the Unites States.
Brizia R. Ceja
This is the dumbest statement I have heard. The IQ tests is a standardized test, so it doesn't measure intelligence???
Intelligence right now can be quantatatively be measured ONLY by standardized tests -- one of which is the IQ test.
Also please don't make generalization about minorities, even if you are one yourself.
They're all different tests, with different rubrics, which measure different outcomes. Your SAT score has no bearing on your IQ. My brother's IQ is 149, and he got a 19 on the ACT.
The tests are super complicated, and I can't explain how they work right now, but there are statistical problems with all of them. They are biased in many ways. Look it up.
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/ediblewoman
Not as smart? Your "facts" are based on what findings?
Yep, still waiting for the Caucasian/Brunette scholarship
Michelle
UI undergraduate
Focus: philosophy, biology, education
Haha, me too. I would totally apply for it.
Believe me, if I had seen that one, I'd have applied on the spot haha
There are actually many scholarships just for women. They just tend to be in fields that few women are in (e.g. science and engineering).
I Agree with the first statement completely! i mean come on! it seems like every single scholarship that I look at is either only open to, or favors minorities. the second comment asserts that minorities are often discouraged because they dont have the money. that statement alone asserts that minorities are poor, a sterio type in and of itsef. there are plenty of scholarship opportunities for those who cannot afford to do so.
also minorities are minorities in college, well. . . .because they are minorities!!!!!
but I must conseed, private scholarship committees have the right to award scholarships to whoever they chose, but I sure wish that there was that brunette/caucasian scholarship.
not true. Go to fastweb. plenty of open scholarships.
You should read this article. http://www.civilrights.org/press_room/buzz_clips/op-ed-white-victimhood....
I think it will do you good.
Your opinion- "it seems like every single scholarship that I look at is either only open to, or favors minorities"
The facts- "According to a national study by the General Accounting Office, less than four percent of scholarship money in the U.S. is represented by awards that consider race as a factor at all, while only 0.25 percent (that's one quarter of one percent for the math challenged) of all undergrad scholarship dollars come from awards that are restricted to persons of color alone. In other words, whites are fully capable of competing for and receiving any of the other monies--roughly 99.75 percent of all the bucks out there for college."
Maybe your looking in the wrong places? I HONESTLY don't think your willing to complain about 0.25% The reason Minorities haven't been successful is because of poverty. Why are they poor? Oh I don't know, maybe it's because they're families have been oppressed for 300+ years. While no black kid today has been a slave, they are still feeling the EFFECTS of slavery. And that shouldn't be happening. White's had what I guess you would call a "head start" For most whites who came to America in the 17th and 18th centuries all the opportunities were open to them. For the blacks who came here on slave ships none were. It's only been about 40 or so years since Blacks started getting equal rights (they're not really even getting equal treatment now). Is 40 years enough to make 12% of the population successful. I think not.
You- "the second comment asserts that minorities are often discouraged because they dont have the money. that statement alone asserts that minorities are poor, a sterio type in and of itsef."
Stereotype, yes it is. But you have to remember 25% of Blacks are below the poverty line. Compared to only 8% of whites. Also "the average white student in the U.S. attends school with half as many poor kids as the average black or Latino student, which in turn has a direct effect on performance, since attending a school with more money generally means having more resources available for direct instruction. Indeed, schools with high concentrations of students of color are 11-15 times more likely than mostly white schools to have high concentrations of student poverty."
Also "It ignores the fact that whites are twice as likely to be placed in honors or advanced placement classes, relative to black students, and that even when academic performance would justify lower placement for whites and higher placement for blacks, it is the African American students who are disproportionately tracked low, and whites who are tracked higher. Indeed, schools serving mostly white students have three times as many honors or AP classes offered, per capita, as those serving mostly students of color."
I'm pretty sure it is your problems with spelling and punctuation that are keeping you from getting scholarships, and not your race.
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/ediblewoman
Social rejection is sad when it happens to any human being, not just minorities. However, there are plenty of scholarships open to everyone, regardless of race, so no one is being left out. There are scholarships out there that no one applies for so it goes to waste. The only people who should be worried about not getting a single scholarship are the ones who don't bother working hard and/or don't bother looking for scholarships.
If you haven't already, try going to fastweb.com or going to your counselor if you're looking for some scholarship money.
Scholarships aside, Arnold Schwarzenegger would get elected before a female minority president would. There are still many people who do not go out of their way to ensure that minorities "do not feel rejected," and I think it will take a while for this country to even elect a Caucasian female president.
Though reverse discrimination may not necessarily be the way to solve things, taking things away from people, such as minority scholarships, isn't going to do anything either. Like I said, there a very, very large number of scholarships that are open to people of all ethnic backgrounds.
I heard it described once this way:
"If Alex Trebek announced on Jeopardy, 'Our contestant of color will be starting off with $300,' wouldn't you be offended? That's what affirmative action is."
Well, it was stated more eloquently when I read it, but you get the point. Which is, I totally agree with you.
Actually, Asians are no longer considered a minority in the majority of colleges. So, I feel your pain.
Well, It is sort of Reverse racism. But Wouldn't minorities be more likely to be unable to afford college? They should instead set the scholarships by the money the parents make. Like Fafsa (I think that's what it's called)
FAFSA does not provide much, the only ones who benefit from FAFSA are those coming from very poor families, the real victim in all the school funding drama is the middle class white male, I am working my behind off and have essentially sold my soul to a bank for my school money that I will be paying off long after I have left college. If a person of a minority comes from a poor family then let them have a scholarship for that, that all people, but I guess my main point is why should I be punished because someone else is underprivledged? An equal playing field is the only way to not punish anyone of any race.
I pretty much agree with wntr0is0brkn's post. As a white, non-religious female I pretty much could only get broad-based scholarships. But there are tons of hispanic-targeted scholarships, especially in Texas.
When whites get rid of this racism (this one is for those with delusion who think a black Jew would get elected Presiden):
http://www.examiner.com/a-92206~Thomas_F__Schaller__Tailwind_now_a_headwind_for_Md__Republicans_in_2006.html
"Finally, Ehrlich is white. The governor will probably draw a smaller share of the black vote than Steele. But the much larger bloc of white voters will decide both men’s fates."
and white "christians" get rid of this racism:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/04/28/MNGAJIGCAL42.DTL
"The Rev. Samuel Rodriguez of Sacramento, head of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference, said he was concerned by a new Pew Hispanic Center poll released Wednesday that found two-thirds of white evangelicals consider new immigrants to be a burden and a threat to American culture.
"My message to the white evangelicals would be, Hispanic immigrants resonate more with your values than many other constituencies or groups," Rodriguez said. "They are God-fearing, hard-working, family-loving people. And if that doesn't look a lot like the Joneses and Smiths of Alabama and Arkansas and Michigan, other than the color of their skin, I don't know what would."
...we should get rid of special scholarships for minorities. Until then, there should be reverse racism and whites should be discriminated against as well.
First of all I am not a "white". I don't resemble snow or milk and no color is a noun. Secondly, I welcome anyone to be as equally as ignorant as other dense people and discriminate against me. That's your right. It's also really brilliant. It's a great start to ending all the problems we face. I guess we should just ignore everything Dr. King did seeing as he lost his life in a fight for equality and natural rights for all people, not just some and not just sometimes.
I'm personal thankfully for people like him and others that have fought over the years that can allow themselves to be the bigger person for the bigger picture and not play hit me and I'll hit you back games.
Just to make this clear, I don't have anyting against minorites, or non-minorities. I just think that everyone should be treated euqally!!
- Cassie -
Cassie, a Jewish woman couldn't win an election in the States if she bought her constituency. We haven't even had a mildly-Jewish man candidate. Kennedy caused a stir because he was a Catholic, for crying out loud. Kerry's integrity as a human being was questioned because he was a Catholic somewhat removed from his faith.
Not there yet, and health problems don't inspire confidence.
Also, ACTs and SATs have been statistically proven - by nonpartisan sociologists, too - to be economically biased. This has nothing to do with race; I just wanted to mention that there is an inequality in the testing system. But I think those tests are ridiculous, anyway.
WntrOisObrkn's post kind of reminded me of the Turner Diaries. Has anyone heard of the Turner Diaries? It's the Bible of Angry White Man syndrome and one of Timothy McVeigh's personal favorites.
While you may feel disadvantaged, now you understand the plight of minorities.
i believe that racism is racism. whether reverse or not. it doesn't matter. but the scholarships that are given to the minority are to help them get to what their dreams are. i know this because i am a minority. but the reason minorities get more scholarships is because they look for them and they want to use them so that they do the best they can. it's not the minority's fault if the caucasion slack off and dont't do anything. but the truth is that caucasion do have the upper advantage at a lot of things. it can't be helped. i know this. that is why i want to go to college anyway i can and just kick butt at everything i do because i want to show my people and others that we ae just as good as the caucasion people. yes racism is bad but we are biased in some way towards some things that we just don't know or are in denial. that's just the way things are. but the minorities just know how to take advantage of everything that gets to them and use them to their fullest potential.
"The Caucasion slack off and don't do anything?"
Now if I said that about any other race I would have everyone on my back!!!
I am a White Middle Class 18 year old trying all I can to get into college. Slacking off? Excuse me? As a senior in High School, with 2 jobs, in a praise band for a church, plus the song leader in a second church, I have applied for so many scholarships it's not even funny. I've recieved one scholarship so far. Which I am very thankful for by the way, but no where near what is needed to cover the expense. It will only cover $500 of the first semester. OK, you tell me.
I would like to challenge everyone on here to try this. Go to fastweb.com and just for the heck of it change the criteria of your personal information. If your white, type in your african american, if you african american type in hispanic. If your poor type in middle class and vice versa. Change everything, and see what kind of selections you get for scholarships. I will guarantee you will be surprised at what you don't get.
I am a music major wanting to eventually teach music. Guess how many scholarship referals I recieved for that one? Two, but guess what, I couldn't apply for them because I had to be going to a college out of my state. So much for that one.
I recieved one scholarship offer for being a Methodist, but couldn't apply for that one either because I had to be going to a Methodist seminary.
I recieved one offer for my dad being a veteren, but it didn't apply because I was born after he was discharged.
I recieved another offer for teaching, however I had to be attending the college of their choice.
Other scholarships I could not apply for were because my parents made too much money, but when you put down how much your parents make they don't take into consideration what kind of house payments, car payments, groceries, utilities not to mention gas prices these days. It is not a fair assessment at all. Mind you, we live in a re-modeled trailor on 1 acre of land. We own a 1974 Pontiac, 1956 Willy's Jeep, and I drive a 1977 Firebird. My mom just got the first brand new car in her whole life. She is almost 51. Kind of sad don't you think?
The rest of the scholarships that were available to me on this particular website only applied if you were, Female, African American, Native American, Jewish, Asian, Hispanic or any other ethnic group you can think of.
Discrimination is all around us no matter what ethnicity you are. I am tired of all the blanket statements everyone is making. The fact is, we are all trying to get into college for free. So don't you think that in itself is called "slacking off?" I've got to work so I can go to college, I have no other options that are given me thus far.
So now who is the slacker?
Oh, by the way the other statement you made, "Scholarships that are given to the minority are to help them get to what their dreams are..." What do you think I have, "Nightmares"?
Oh, I forgot to mention who I am on the above blog. I am Joel, I go by trembledgate.
Well im african american, the reason for schollarships to minority is just to encourage more to go to college. Its a problem in our community and this a way to fix it. So you are telling me that every attempt to better the community is "reverse racism". Stop complaining.There are only few scholarships that are easly handed to a minority because of the color of thier skin. How many black nationally known scientist do you know. I work hard for my schooling and i have yet to get a schollarship just based on the color my skin. Intellegence is so overated. im sick of people thinking that there intellegence is a gift. Its how hard you work and how much you care about your intellect that makes you smart. The fact of the matter is that school cost and you go in a black community and i doubt you ever been to one without fear. Although there is nothing to be afraid of. And you tell me how many people you honestly think can afford to get there children in school. And before you go crying about the scholarship reseach who founded it and the reasons for it. Education can get you a long way in this world and i hope to see more african american scientist making a difference in the world just be lucky you have a chance to go to school. these are just steps to improving a drowning community.
The reason most of these scholarships exists is exactly what Godfrey (commenter above) said -- to encourage people in certain communities to strive beyond what they think they can attain. The scholarships are a means to something beyond college.
Depending on where you live, you may or may not understand this point. Most of America is white. Until you can understand how a living a life where you are often the odd one out can affect your view on future possibilities, you cannot truly appreciate what these scholarships are for.
I sympathize with those of you who are in need of financial aid, but that is only a small part of what these scholarships are for.
In any case, people need to stop complaining. Everyone is deal a certain hand and it is up to you how you want to play them.
While I understand that on the surface it might appear that the racial struggles in America are in fact over. They are not. This is the reason that I cannot buy the arguement of reverse racism. Although some scholarships may be availible to people of color only, this hardly consititues an even playing feild let alone "reverse racism." Take into account the concept that the education system is tailored to white students, from euro-centeric ciriculum to the underfunding of schools in black communties. We have certainly made great strides toward equal rights for all Americans and when appling for college I certainly felt like it was unfair that there were no scholarships specifically for white girls like myself, then I relized that my entire life as a middle class white girl allowed me the priviledge to be educated in a system that was centered in my perspect (white, thought it is undoubtable a male perspective that I do not identify with) as well as a world that privelges me over people whose skin is darker than mine. When it comes down to it, in spite of all of our progress we still live in a white country and until that changes there can be no such thing as reverse racism. If you are interested about learning more I suggest the book Country of Strangers by David K. Shipler or the article Unpacking the Invisable Knapsak by Peggy McIntosh.
How many white people do you all know that have decent jobs their not really qualified for or are horrible at but still have them? Everyone one of us knows people like that right? How many of you all know whites that are decent students and managed to get into great schools? All of us right? Well thats affirmative action, only for whites it happens to be called "White Privilege". How do you think Bush got into Yale? It wasn't his grades trust me. He was a legacy, thats all. Well thats White Privilege. I'm sorry but I feel sorry for you people with Racist tendencies, all you can think about is yourselves, if it wasn't for things like affirmative action then we'd still have the same society we did in the 40's and 50's. But that would be fine with you all because at least you'd have jobs and educations. Right? Most scholars acknowledge that their is no such thing as reverse racism because don't have the power to discriminate against the majority.
Bush got into Yale because his father was a money bag and a Texan Congressman, obviously with connections.
As for white kids getting into college and minority kids not, most college applications no longer feature a "Check your race" box. Therefore, to suggest that minorities don't get into college only because they're minorities is asinine.
I'm all for scholarships for minorities. It's difficult to thrive in an environment that's so monotonous. I do, however, think that there should be more scholarships available to the middle class/upper middle class. As someone above said, schools don't factor in expenses when they deny you financial aid. My mother has a house and two cars on her. Granted, my father pays child support, but people are expensive. When all's said and done, even my intended college of choice is going to hit my parents, and it's not even remotely overpriced.
The college that I'm going to told me that if I were black I would have a full ride with a 26 on the ACT. I got 27 and because I'm white, I only got a half scholarship. White students have to get a 28 to get a full ride. I think this is not only unfair to white students, but degrading to minorities. It's like colleges are saying that minorities aren't just as capable of being intelligent and successful as a white person when we all know that they are. Everyone should be given the same opportunity.
However, I don't agree with your comment about people voting for a black, Jewish, female president. I'm not sure what part of the country you live in but I live in the south and there is still quite a bit of racism here. I actually know morons who would not vote for someone that they agreed with (as far as the issues go) simply because they are black. It's sad, but it's true.
I never owned a slave. Or killed a native american.
I'm just white. Plain old white. I've never done anything to anyone. Wheres the scholorship for white girls? at least i'm not a white male. white males they get nothing for free. honestly. I'm over it. scholorships for MERIT. grades, community service, ect ect. not the color of your skin. that's LAME. oh and please don't reject me from your school bc your "white" quota is full and you need someone of another race to make your school more "diverse". what a joke.
Scholarships based on race should be left to private institutions. The "choose your ethnicity" on college admissions should be effaced. Any blatant appeals to emotions through college essays should be ignored. If we wish to work towards a "color-blind" society, let us begin by letting our work (something we put effort into) determine where we end up, not our color (something given to us by our parents; no effort) .
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Okay, I'm Totally Asian, and I think Affirmative action is completely unreasonable. I think, even if you're white, if you get good grades, you should get into a good college, even if all your peers (who have attained the same level as you have) are white. I, for one, would not care if i made it to a school full of white people, had I deserve to be there. I don't believe that your race should come into your acceptance into a college.
With that said, and with all due respect, I think your last comment on Black Jewish Woman running for president and winning it is as full of bull as the person who said that minorities don't do well because they're not smart enough. Is your race a disease that is going to bring your IQ down? I think not. Is your race a vaccine that will guarantee leadership skills, political smart-aleck-ness, and a fine and dandy family background? No siree I don't think so.
For everyone above who has said that they would like a scholarship for white people, I understand where you're coming from. I admit that there aren't enough of those, but honestly, you are the Majority. The advantage of being a Majority is that there is often much more scholarships designed for you than those scholarships designed for a specific race. Please look for them and not complain when they become exclusive for those who are already smaller in numbers.
Oh, you poor white boy. Woe is you.
I am a white 17 year old male that was home schooled. My parents are educated, but because they work for a nonprofit that they have founded, cannot make enough money to help me out in school. I am not even eligable for the Texas Grant. The only financial aid I am elligable for is the pell grant and federal work study. I am working 2 part time jobs and attending school full time I am not allowed to get a full time job because I am not a legal adult. I am not even elligable for most loans.I am in the worst case possible. They should make all scholerships be based on grades, achevemnt, or financial need.
In My school I am the minority. The university of Texas Pan American is 91% hispanic. I work at a financial aid office and even I can not afford school.
That's true, but there are many scholarships that don't involve your race or ethnicity.
Standardized tests are the best way of showing how hard a person can work. To do well on a standardized test, you either have to have a lot of dumb luck (I'm a soph and I took the ACT in feb and got a 30) or take upper level classes. To do well to understand an upper level class, you have to work hard. If anyone is so stupid as to say that standardized tests are geared toward a certain group of people, they're geared to hard workers, brainiacs or people like me who are both (I've got a 4.0 and am 1st in my class) and have a pinch of dumb luck. Plus, what else is there to use to gage people's determination to succeed? Gonna have people hand write essays? With computers nowadays, handwriting is impossible to read. Are you going to rob someone of a scholarship if they're brilliant and have terrible handwriting? How illogical is that?!
If it weren't for the scholarships then the minorities wouldnt be able to go to college and they would still be oppressed, stuck in there stations. Yet scholarships have given them a chance to get a higher education to improve the lives in their community so that other minorities can also go to college.
BS... my black friend made it into Yale, and got enough financial aid through the university to attend. You don't need scholarships specifically for minorities to go to college. you need scholarships specifically for POOR people. It just happens that a nice chunk of minorities fit into that category as well.
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My sister goes to the U of M and financial aid didn't give her enough. Because apparently they think that our income is enough to support us and college but NO. And so the take away more money, in addition to that, they gave her less because she recieved some scholarships. Financial aid isn't gonna do everything. Scholarship is for anyone who needs help getting into college.
Actually, this isn't the best example. People that are accepted to Ivy League universities have a host of scholarship opportunites that others don't have. Had she been more of a good student instead of an excellent student she might not have had as many scholarships. Some scholarships, even at Ivy League universities, are still allotted for minorities in an effort to achieve a balanced student body.
...but honestly I think its a rather disingenous kvetch.
"There are scholarships only available to black, Native American, or Asian students, purely because they're the minority.
This just isn't true. These scholarships are not offered to minority students "purely because" they belong to a minority group. They are offered these scholarships because a systematic disparity exists in the normal system of university admissions, and the scholarships are designed to balance out that disparity. Now, I do think that sometimes the whole "affirmative action" thing steps over the line regarding the legitimate purpose that it serves, but the simple reality is that when all other things are equal--and even with these minority-favoring programs in place--a white, male student is more like to be accepted into an institution of higher learning that any other demographic.
It is a fact that racial disparities exist in our country, and unfortunately the only way to rectify that systematic inequality is to implement other systems that compensate, and in order to do that you have to recognize the same invidious classifications which prompted the disparity in the first place.
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This might sound weird, but most black universities have scholarships for white people. This is done in an effort to provide some diversity to their student bodies (sound familiar). You don't think you have an advantage? How about this - you are applying to a college and the the slots are running out and you are just as qualified as the other students that are applying, the college already has a decent minority population and decisions have to be made. If the dean has a family then guess what, you might remind him of his son or daughter, or another family member. What I'm saying is that people want to see someone that looks like them and represents them doing well. Most major companies and major universities are headed by white men, so there tends to be an unconscious tendency to want to give them an advantage. Scholarships set aside for certain minorities are designed to offset (if only by a fraction) this NATURAL desire to exercise racial bias.
I think you should all read my blog entitled " my response on white racism" which by the way is "haha!" . For all the white students I just wanna know this: Are u subconsiously upset that minorities are being offered opportunities that you don't have?
Come On People! Middle class white kids are becoming a minority! And yes, we are still being discriminated against. Speakonitsista, no I'm not upset that minorities are getting opportunities I don't have. I'm upset that I go into Starbucks and am ignored for 15 minutes in favor of the minority customers. I am mistreated in restraunts by people who are of a minority, and they think they can get away with it. All I want to do is go to college and make a life for myself. Unfortunately, it appears that unless I get a scholarship for my academic abilities, I won't have any opportunities at all!
You poor, poor thing! You mean you actually have to**gasp** wait in line at Starbucks? What an outrage!
Please lose your entitlement complex. I don't know what Starbucks you go to, but I certainly have never been given a front-of-the-line pass at any Starbucks--or any other establishment, for that matter. As far as restaurants go, I've waited at a table with my family for almost half an hour before even being offered a glass of water, because no one wanted to wait on us. (Word on the streets is that many waiters fight over who has to wait on the black customers because of the stereotype that black people don't tip.)
Stop your pity party. White people are not victims. They aren't allowed to completely trump over everyone else now because people of color have **gasp** rights, but white people are still the dominant group in America. They have the money and the power. And most colleges are at least 50% white, if not more. I'm sorry that white people no longer dominate everything and no longer possess 100% of the spots in college, but compared to the fact that a school is considered diverse if it has at least 4-5% black students (4 or 5 black students out of 100 students), I'd say that white people are doing alright.
And don't worry about not getting a scholarship or two. The universe has a way of working itself out. I'm almost twice as likely as you to die before the age 20, and furthermore, you're expected to live more than 5 years more than me. And if in between then and now, you have a little run-un with the law, don't worry: you have a better chance of being hired for a job with a criminal record than I do without one.
Cheers.
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My favorite thing is when white people start talking about the state of racism in the U.S. We would certainly be the experts on the minority experience, wouldn't we? Of course. We white people are the experts on everything. It's getting old.
Instead of looking at all the external reasons you are denied ________(insert assumed entitlement here), try looking inward, and figure out how to make yourself a better candidate. There are probably more reasons than your fair skin keeping you from winning scholarships.
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First of all, as a Hispanic of some interesting background (non-balck), I have a hard time finding any funding for college...and I wan't to go to England for school. It is so riduculous that someone actually attempted to spread a so "Aryan Nations" type teaching. GET A GRIP...DON'T BE LAZY AND APPLY TO ALL SCHOLARSHIP POSSIBLE, since most are open not to Minorities (not just blacks..please people look up meanings before posting), but to all. There are some really stupid lazy people that want scholarship committees to knock on their mansion/trailer/whatever door to offer scholarships. Get over the whole "whites are discriminated" thing. And there are scholarship for Jews. I can go on the various pernicious comments made here. Maybe after you check your spelling and propriety of language use you can get some money of some sort.
For the church kid with the 3 cars including mummie's new one...god...!!! Thou art too negative and limiting...be open hun...compromise...search...you live in a "renovated trailer..." you should get a scholarship!!!
And now...um for those self-inflicting pain fans: Whites and other groups that do not belong to a certain minority do get discriminated often. I will go ahead and defend those who have earnestly felt discriminated by blacks (no offense guys but this is so true).YES...a group of us who are not black have been discriminated, taunted, and had some ill treatment from black folks because we have not "oooh suffered" the horrible things they experienced and because we are priviledge blah blah blah..put a sock on it. YOU didn't go through slavery...yes you can still feel effects in many areas, but an INDIVIDUAL can only accomplish so much by their individual actions. My black friends who are wonderful and open minded have experienced discrimination and hardship, yet they understand it wasn't John Smith "white man" or Jane Smith "white woman" fault. They also value their god given brains an ability to exceed to their personal maxi. I truly admire such high thinking humans. I do hate those who limit themselves because they are whatever race..and then you have to treat me or my non-black friends like crap because of retarded reasons you managed to create in your head...oh goodness grown up! I was told by a black girl in school that my Straight hair and my "Caucasian/Indian (India) features have given me advantage in school, and so thats why I got ahead. Others have been surprised to find I am from the caribbean...and then say.."uh you are not black, all the people in that country are black...your family were disgusting plantation spaniards "...They don't even know my family haven't been in NA for more than 80 yrs. Pretty ignorant stuff.
Moral of my story...DON'T BLAME OTHERS FOR YOUR OWN PERSONAL LACK OF CAPACITY....YOU ARE YOUR OWN AND ONLY YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR FUTURE..!!!!