Abortion, should it be the mothers choice? or should the baby inside help with the decision?
Abortion has always been such a touchy subject: because the woman bearing the baby feels that it is her decision: and that the being growing inside her is just a "parasite." It gets even touchier when a girl gets pregnant due to something illegal, or painful. Since when does two wrongs make a right? why should the girl be able to kill a baby inside, is it the babies fault for what happened to the mother? no.
If the baby inside is just a parasite, why: was L. Hacking a double homicide( a case in which the mother was pregnant, her husband killed her -then a while later the baby and the mother were washed up on shore) Right there, they are admitting the baby inside, is an actual human being. How does that differ from abortion? abortion is just the legal way to killing an innocent being.
I have a year and a half old adopted sister, my family had been trying to adopt for some time but nothing was moving forward. Until finally my parents were informed that we had found someone whom we could adopt from. I love my sister, her real mother had tried to abort my little sister times but nothing succeeded. i would do anything for my sister, i would die for my sister. Her mother almost killed my sister.
it's only a few months of being "fat" it may cause some embarrassment, but for one thing, if your trying to hide what you do, why are you doing it? It's not your life your messing with anymore.
I agree: this is, and has been, a touchy subject.
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the baby is infact a human, i dont not beleive in abortion after two months, and if the sex that caused it was consented.
i beleive that if you chose to do the deed you shall pay the consequences. you dont have to keep it, people all over the world , the country, are dying to find a baby the can love because maybe they cant make their own, that baby could be their miracle.
why: was L. Hacking a double homicide( a case in which the mother was pregnant, her husband killed her -then a while later the baby and the mother were washed up on shore) Right there, they are admitting the baby inside, is an actual human being.
What on earth does that have to do with ANYTHING? Some lawmakers believe the unborn are sentient human beings, some don't. Laws do NOT mean something is moral or not. If a man kills someone and the court lets him go free, that doesn't necessarily what he did wasn't murder.
It is, however, a FACT that the fetus does not feel pain or experience emotion, feelings, self-awareness, etc, until the twenty-sixth week. Before that, you can't really call it a "human being" because it doesn't even really have brain function. Also, stop calling a xygote/embryo/fetus a "baby". A "baby" is an infant. Calling an embryo a "baby" is like calling a child a teenager.
Also, it's not "being fat" for a few months. Women who give up their babies for adoption suffer a tremendous amount of emotional trauma. Pregnancy can be extremely dangerous. A person who is already ill (mentally or physically) can worsen significantly. A person can also lose their friends, their family. They might suffer violence as a result of being pregnant.
I strongly recommend you read these:
http://www.progressiveu.org/020948-step-step-argument-abortion-it-murder
http://www.progressiveu.org/061328-step-step-argument-abortion-teen-sex-...
when you know someone is pregnant do you say "is your fetus a boy or girl?" or do you call it a baby? when i know someone pregnant and they have a BABY inside i call it a baby, alas it can be called an embryo/fetus, but a baby is a much more general term.
even if a baby doesn't feel pain: if someone is paralyzed from the neck down, lets say their body is non existent, and kill that. they can't feel it, but we don't consider them dead...?
People who are pregnant do indeed go through emotional pains, so do people who die, people who lose a loved one, or people who are never able to have a child.
Lori Hacking: She was Murdered with a child in her womb.
the court case said Mark Hacking killed two people: because the baby died inside.
so, how does it make it right for abortions to take place, and for it to be legal: is it not the same thing? both are considered a "fetus" when they die are they not?
when you know someone is pregnant do you say "is your fetus a boy or girl?" or do you call it a baby? when i know someone pregnant and they have a BABY inside i call it a baby, alas it can be called an embryo/fetus, but a baby is a much more general term.
If I'm asking "boy or girl" I use the term "baby" because, if I'm asking the question, chances are, the mother's not going to intentionally abort the fetus and has probably grown somewhat attached to it. At this point of time, the term "baby" just sounds aesthetically pleasing, but the being inside the uterus is still a fetus. It will remain a fetus until it's born.
"Baby" isn't a much more general term. It's just a word people use. The technical term for an unborn human is either embryo or fetus.
even if a baby doesn't feel pain: if someone is paralyzed from the neck down, lets say their body is non existent, and kill that. they can't feel it, but we don't consider them dead...?
No one considers an unborn fetus dead either, unless it has died in the womb.
People who are paralyzed still have a fully developed brain and nervous system. If they are paralyzed, then one or the other or both are damaged. A fetus is not a sentient being and cannot feel pain because the brain is not developed. A paralyzed or comatose person is not a good comparison to a fetus.
Lori Hacking: She was Murdered with a child in her womb.
the court case said Mark Hacking killed two people: because the baby died inside.
so, how does it make it right for abortions to take place, and for it to be legal: is it not the same thing? both are considered a "fetus" when they die are they not?
It's not the same thing because, when a pregnant woman is murdered, she is not consenting to the termination of her pregnancy.
When someone is charged with 2 counts of murder, rather than one, they serve a longer sentence. Bonus points for the prosecuter. If the defendant has a good lawyer, and the fetus hasn't reached the age of viability (24 weeks, I think), the murderer has a chance of getting only one charge of murder.
Laws regarding the rights of the fetus vary from state to state. They exist so a mother can be charged with child abuse for consuming alcohol while pregnant, so prosecuters have a chance of charging 2 counts of murder, etc. They do not exist to define morality.
Morality is defined on an individual basis, and some people do not consider a fetus a baby; many people see that, sometimes, the benefits of aborting a fetus outweigh the risks of pregnancy; many people have no moral dilemmas with aborting a fetus--including many medical professionals. That is why abortions are legal.
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Abortion has always been such a touchy subject: because the woman bearing the baby feels that it is her decision: and that the being growing inside her is just a "parasite." It gets even touchier when a girl gets pregnant due to something illegal, or painful. Since when do two wrongs make a right? Why should the girl be able to kill a baby inside, is it the babies fault for what happened to the mother? No.
I think that it is demeaning that you refer to women who terminate her pregnancy as nothing more than a parasite. I reassure you that women who terminate their pregnancy do not refer to their decision as getting rid of a parasite.
Why do you think so many women get abortion because they get blame and ostracized if they continue their pregnancy and if they terminate it, they still get the blame.
If that girl doesn’t get married, she gets blame not the father who refuses to propose and get a pat on the back for scoring a girl.
You didn't state anything about the father. You refer to women who get rid of their pregnancy as getting rid of a parasite than blame the rape victim by saying that she is killing a baby if she terminated it yet there is no reference of the father or rapist here.
Let me ask you something, if a young teenage girl got pregnant by her boyfriend and he told her to get the hell out of his life thus resulting in her terminating her pregnancy, would you reward a medal to the father? Would you still respect him? Or would you just focus all your energy on the girl? Would you sum it all to "boys will be boys?"
Many girls terminate their pregnancy because of the father’s failure to make a commitment to the girl or the old double standard.
Now, I am prochoice, which means that I believe that women should have the personal freedom to decide what to do with their bodies.
I believe that the government had no business coming between a women, her doctor, and her god when it comes to abortion.
She should not be force to continue her pregnancy just because some person who she doesn’t even know thinks that she is slut who deserves to face all the consequence.
I understand the difficult and traumatic experience that the women must face as judgmental people mock her for premarital sins while the father gets virtually praise.
The right to life does not end at the moment of birth!!
Don't tell me that if these girls chose to continue their pregnancy and after it is born, you will personally volunteer to take care of them?
Despite your personally belief, these girls still had to live their life and they know that only they will be the one who will deal with the consequence while people who oppose it will forget about them.
They stand out there in the clinic and protest the women but then they go back to their homes, and they forget about the women.
These people could not careless if that fetus is born into a world where the child is feed, cloth, educated properly or if they get good health care.
The women had to worry about it and nothing from the father.
Abortion is not a problem that can be legislated away. It is a failure of our society, just like poverty, hunger, and homelessness.
Abortion is a syndrome; it reminds us that something is wrong within our community.
It tells us that a woman who terminated her pregnancy felt that the world was not safe enough to bring or continue it to terms because she know no one will love her, she will be the one who get blame, she will be the one faces all the consequence while the father gets away with it.
The solution to abortion is not to demonize the women but to request that the boys married her, love her more, teach our boys that it is unacceptable to leave a pregnant girl by herself so that they can continue their career.
Banning abortion won't make it go away; it will just go underground, where it is even more dangerous and deadlier than before.
You’re trying to legislate into laws a morality that you no longer practice yourself.
The church alone couldn't convince a woman not to have an abortion and you want the government to come in?
Are you asking government to make criminal what you believe to be sinful because you can't stop committing the sin?
It is like ted Bundy asking for lethal inject for rapist because he can't stop raping women.
it's only a few months of being "fat" it may cause some embarrassment, but for one thing, if you’re trying to hide what you do, why are you doing it? It's not your life you’re messing with anymore.
It had nothing to do with being "fat" for a few months and it had everything to do with society judging and demonizing them for premarital sin while the boys get away with it for free.
There you go again, blaming the women while failure to note the fathers failure to provide or be there for the girl.
While people like you accuse slotting women of being selfish for getting rid of a parasite, hundreds of babies are dying; some of them premature because they didn't had proper prenatal care.
Why do you think that so many women get an abortion, because she knows that there are people out there who will blame her by saying don't spread your legs or why the hell did you did it to begin with.
Why don't you say something bad about deadbeat’s dad? Or are deadbeats dad heroes for scoring a whore and then marrying a virgin? Also, if you consider a fetus a person, at what moment does it become a life?
When it implant itself into the uterus or when the sperm meet the egg? If it is when sperm meet the egg, than do you support laws making it illegal for doctors to throw away all the fertilize eggs? Should the doctors who throw away the unused egg be sentence to death for murder?
What about the women who chose not to used all the fertilize eggs available to her? Should she be criminalize for refusing to allow her uterus be implanted by the fertilize eggs?
Also, what kind of punishment would the women get if she terminated her pregnancy? Lethal injection, life in prison? Burning at the stake? If you don't believe that the women who terminated her pregnancy should be jail, than is it not a crime?
If it is wrong for a women to terminate her pregnancy because it is a life than are you against war, the death penalty?
Should all soldiers, munitions constructors, administrators and associated killers in the military be face with criminal charges because they take away an innocent life, such as the natives and villagers who lived in the land that they bomb?
Also, if a product or chemical has been proven to kill someone, should the manufacturers and employees face criminal charges?
Abortion is a choice made that relates to an entire set of life circumstances, it isn't reached as an outlet for urges of manslaughter.
Had you heard of collateral damage? - it is a cold term no matter how it is used because innocent human being, those that already born is consider nothing more than a number. Our society is sick - health care, community disharmony, economic crises, unsupportive support systems, and lots of ignorant people - abortion is a symptom.
I am not trying to come off as demeaning or offensive, I am just trying to have an intellectual discussion with another person who disagrees with me.
This comment is simply fantastic. You should post it as a blog post.
why should the girl be able to kill a baby inside
Because women, being human beings, are the only ones who get to decide whether someone or something gets to be inside their body. That is why rape is illegal, why assault is illegal, and why patients in need of organ donations can't just go out and grab anyone off the street and take what they need to survive.
Women are human beings, so we get to decide if we want to be pregnant or not. It's as simple as that.