Serial Killers looking past the image Nature Vs. Nuture

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When a person hears the two words serial killer a wave of fear spreads through out the body. But should we be so quick to judge? Yes Serial killers are warped minded indiviuals who kill multiple amounts of people but I have always wanted to know why.

Why and How could that much anger be put into such violence? Did they just have a bad day that day? Or is there really something more to it?

I have studied many different serial killers and tried to find a correlation between all of them that would some how connect them. There actions of course are wrong, but understanding what motives them and causes this maybe one day could prevent it.

We are not asked to come into this world. Our presence therefore can be unwelcome by the parent (s). It could also by the fact that our parents may have gone through trouble ordeals because of their parents, this could lead them to develop the same parenting skills because they do not know other wise. But some have broke free of this.

In psychology an arguement emerges. Nature vs. Nuture. Many psychologist argue that we are chemically designed to be a certain way or we are taught this way through our environments. I believe it is both. The main reason is because someone could have a corrupt gene but be raised by great parents and never kill a single person in their life. Another person might not have any corrupt genes and be raised by awful parents in a bad environment and end up killing. Or often a corrupt gene could develop from a parent's own corruption towards the child?

As I look at the different cases of serial killers I notice that alot of them had corrupt parents who either neglected them, beat them, treated them badly, or just abandoned them. But this does not hold true for all serial killers.

Charles Manson was a very sick indiviual. Many people do not realise though that he was highly intelligent. If you watch his interviews and set aside his crazy demeanor, you can see how smart he is. This is also a common trait for serial killers. This is a reason why it takes along time for serial killers to get caught. Charles Manson's mother was a hooker, she also abandoned Manson as a child. It is also a common thing that serial killers kill women because of their own mother.

Say their mother abandoned them. They get older and it bothers them but they finally meet a women and start liking her. The women screws them over and the cycle contuines. That person will not trust women and find their motives undesirable. But this doesn't always lead to a serial killer either. I found that if they are given guidence by another adult and treated well they normally will turn out fine and not kill anyone. The lack of guidence breeds confusion in the person's process of finding themselves and maintaining relationships with others.

Ted Bundy is pretty well known. His awful killing sprees of women and torture were very hard for me to deal with. At a young age he was putting knives under his aunt's bed smiling. This is an example of how a corrupt gene... can emerge. His mother never married and he did not know his father. A mental disorder could have been likely, like I suspect in alot of serial killers but who knows. He was also raised to believe his grandparents were his parents and that his mother was his sister. This probably did not help his situation out. All we will know about Ted Bundy is that he killed approximately (maybe) 100 women. The strange thing was they all had brown hair.

One strange case is that of Jeffery Dahmar. He was molested by a male neighbor but it was never reported. His parent's fought frequently later divorcing. The interesting thing I found out about him is he seemed to have remorse for what he did. Most serial killers lack the capablity to have remorse. As he got older Dahmar would bar hop and pick up men. He would bring them home and try to get to know them better. The first man wanted to leave..and Dahmar killed him. After his parent's divorced he was left alone. Neither parent thought to take Dahmar with them when they moved. Abandonment seemed to play a huge role in Dahmar's life. Although he was sick as well (because he killed and ate his male "friends") it seemed like his parents did not help his situation. It seemed like he killed because the fear of abandonment, if he killed people they could be with him forever.

So with all the information in front of us we can conclude that serial killers are infact to be feared. The only thing that we may want to look at now is the fact that their childhood had a huge role into their killing sprees. Corrupt genes can play a role as much as a person's childhood. Many of you will say well I was abandoned and all this bad stuff happened to me and I do not kill people. This may be true but it seems that serial killers can not find that guidence they need. Infact their brains were a different pattern than a normal person's brain when given CT scans. So nature vs. nuture...no Nature and Nuture play a huge role in the development of our mind.

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You might like the Dexter series. It is kind of graphic, but man, does it ever look closely at nature v. nurture! Dexter had a terrible experience as a child that he can't remember. He also had a foster father who was a homocide cop. He thought he saw signs that Dexter would become a serial killer, so from a very young age, he taught him to kill only people who deserved it, and how to get away with it. There are signs in Dexter, though, that he might not have turned out to be an unfeeling, sociopathic killer, if his foster father had taken a different approach. It's SO interesting, and I'm totally hooked.

Also, do you ever watch Criminal Minds? I'm a cop show nut. :)

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I might have to watch it next time I see it on. I do not watch criminal minds I do not think. I watch bones. What is criminal minds about? That show is pretty interesting. I used to watch CSI also. Yeah I like shows like that also. They are quite interesting.

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It's about FBI profilers. I think it's on CBS, but I'm not sure.

I like Bones, too. She's funny.

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I LOVE that show. I can't wait until the 3rd season comes out. But this show is a GREAT example how a serial killer was trained to use his - let's call it an abnormality - for good and not for evil; for those of us who are O.K. with the death penalty, that is.

Another side that the Dexter series takes, however, is Dexter, since age 3 lived in a loving, supportive home. It would kind of lean a little more toward the nature rather than the nurture side of things.....

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but he was also TRAINED to be a serial killer. There are so many scenes with Rita (I'm only on season one, so don't give anything away) that seem like he DOES have the capacity to feel, and when he starts to remember things, he feels fear, anxiety, and sadness...so is he really a sociopath? Or is he someone who got love but no therapy, and was taught to kill. Harry systematically trained him to do what he does.

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I don't think he was taught to kill...that part of him already existed. Throughout the season when they show flashbacks to his childhood, he always has this unstoppable urge to kill; that part of him he can't help. He was trained to be careful and to not get caught. Or if his childhood has any influence at all it would be what happened to him before Harry adopted him.

I'm not sure how far you are in the season, but I'll wait until you watch more. Then maybe we can create a new blog and pick the series apart and apply it to the nature vs nurture argument. That show is a psychology thesis just waiting to be written. To bad it's fiction because it would make a nice case study :)

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Great blog, Dani. I should've figured you'd write a blog on this.

I saw the movie about Ted Bundy and I was freaked out. I think he was also a necrophiliac (not sure if that's the proper word, but he supposedly slept with the dead women as well). Charles Manson was an interesting, if not brutally scary individual. But technically, didn't he brainwash his followers into killing for him? That is pretty sick as well.

Nature and Nurture both contribute...so maybe there needs to be less argument on the subject and more in the way of preventing these people from going nuts.

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That movie Ted Bundy bothered me alot. It is a very disturbing movie. yeah he did have sex with dead women. I was going to put that in the blog but did not know how to spell the necro. word. lol.

Charles Manson did get other people to worship him. He actually claimed to be jesus I believe. Yeah I found it funny in the interview when he said I did not kill anyone. But he brain washed people into doing it. He wasn't suppose to kill Tate. He was actually going after a producer in the music industry who would not sign him. He had a cult started called The Family. You should watch Helter Skelter. It is about Manson and his life. I have thought about writing a blog on cults...but do not know if I will.

Yeah I think so too.

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I believe I saw Helter Skelter too. I remember seeing the word "Pig" on the wall.

Why are the most disturbing people in history so interesting, I wonder?

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Because they are not like everyone else...lol maybe. I don't know. People find normal boring so i guess it peaks their interest?

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But if being a serial killer is nature and they are born with this, then how is it possible to prevent the inevitable? If there is a possibility that these people are simply born to kill, then there is probably no hope whatsoever of preventing it. The only preventative measure would be to recognize the behaviors in them as children and lock them up to keep them from killing.

If, on the other hand, it is nature action needs to be taken with every child to try to prevent them from being raised in an environment that fosters killers.

This is a terrifying subject, to think that some people are just born with the inclination to murder or rape.......Has any physiological studies been done on the brains of killers?

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Some serial killers develop this from their parent's molesting them, beating them,abandonment and never having any guidence from family. All this can be prevented or if they actually get consueling like AmericagirlinChina stated.

Everyone has the capability to kill a person, but people know that this is wrong and would never do this. Serial killers some of them have a corrupt gene that may have never came out if they had proper help.

Yeah it should start with the parents. I found that alot of them had corrupt parents who raised them badly. But not all had bad parents. Other developed these genes probably from ancestor but it may never come out in them.

Brains of serial killers have been CT scaned. They had a butterfly pattern, and many had spots of red. It showed less development in the sympathy area, and more development in the anger region. This could be from child hood because our brain grows and develops alot when we were a child....

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It is exactly stuff like this that pushes me to be a counselor. I'm going to go to school for it, but not for a while. I think we can reach troubled kids before that become older killers. Therapy is supposed to be able to work wonders. My goal is to make counseling work.

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You have a LOT of guts for wanting to try and counsel serial killers. I would be completely terrified that they would make me their next victim. Perhaps I've seen too many movies where patients kill their psychiatrists.

I would even be scared to try and understand their thought processes. Something must not be clicking right if they have homicidal urges. I did read somewhere that therapy has VERY little impact on sociopaths. Be careful!!!

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The fear of being killed did cross my mind, but there are a lot of crazy yahoos out there that need help. Murder doesn't scare me away from helping others. Thanks for reminding me to be careful though. I need to hear that from time to time.

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The minds of murderers are fascinating places. Actually the minds of people are fascinating because we all have murderous tendencies left over from our stamped out animal instincts.

You should look at the Unibomber...at least that is who I think it was. He was raised in a well to do family, went to good schools and still turned out to be a murderer.

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"As I look at the different cases of serial killers I notice that alot of them had corrupt parents who either neglected them, beat them, treated them badly, or just abandoned them. But this does not hold true for all serial killers."

You only give examples that do hold true but say it doesn't always. Do you have any examples of serial killers who did not have disturbing childhoods? Or were you saying that not all disturbing childhoods create serial killers?

Which is interesting. There's something besides a childhood that creates killers since many people were abused or neglected but lived normal adult lives or became successful.

Like what you've read? Well, then here's more:
http://www.progressiveu.org/blog/tricia0711

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not all bad childhoods create serial killers because then there would be wayyyy more serial killers then there already are. I know of a few serial killers who did not have bad childhoods i just can't remember their names off the top of my head sadly.

well thats why i believe its both or could be one or the other. nature vs nurture. someone could A: be brought up in a disturbing home and b a serial killer or B: brought up in a great home and become a serial killer. so it just really depends every situation is different but one of the two factors plays a role.

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I've been going through alot of stuff and I was gone for a very long time. Hopefully i will be back for a little while but i'm being shipped off to job corp so...wahoo....i'm not so excited.

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Aw. Well we hope you still visit us sometimes! :)

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I recently watched a presentation from researcher Jim Fallon about the brain chemistry of serial killers. It probable won't surprise the biologists among us that these people seem to have similar abnormalities in their brains...

Jim Fallon: Exploring the mind of a killer

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