Here we are in the 21st century. As the debate rises of illegal immigration. The new president will try and explain to us why we need reform. What are the current procedures. I'll bet the average citizen is not aware that even after deportation hearings have been held for an individual they could remain in this country for years before being so. The issue to me is not of guarding our borders, but figuring a way to incorporate us all to be a part of a bigger system. One in which international borders are no longer important. Global capital is losing it's restrictions why not individuals looking for something better. To be born into a country with less advantages. I don't know what that is like. To want something more for your children isn't that what we all want. To live in a place without fear. I think it is possible, but it takes shaking up aristocracies. Rome lost to the vandals, do you want to lose to a Mexican? I think history can teach us a lot. One is to incorporate not exclude I believe.
Why must we maintain borders?
By beendown2long - Posted on March 12th, 2008
What you are envisioning is a utopia. There will never be peace because there will always be someone who wants something that they can't get. The reason borders have to be controlled is because otherwise people would take advantage of the system. Like they are now. We all want something better for our children but a "World with no Borders" is not something that is feasible.
Back to this point. Whether we want to face it or not. These people of immigrants are crossing the border. Their are several ways to stop it. Building a fence is the most asinine thing I've ever heard. Especially, since a lot of wealthy residents already oppose it due to their property values. Border's I can cross into Canada several times a day without fear of prosecution. So is it color that keeps them down their.
When the Visigoths and the Vandals were pushed west by the Hun's. All they wanted was assimilation into the Roman empire. Rome would not allow it. When the Vandal's realized Rome was an empty shell, due to: mercenary armies, expanded territories beyond logical supply lines, and an over indulged populace. They crushed it. Rome had become so fat she couldn't move fast enough. Then the collapse of the Ottoman empire, fracturing into all these little feudal realms. Which led into eventually what became the great war. The division of all the little feudal kingdoms into what we know today, through up to the second great war. I could go on and on. I left a lot out to make my point. Whether you want it or not, the Vandal's are coming north.
Why cause your grandpappy said so? It takes work and a desire to achieve. It's easy to say it will never work. No one has ever wanted to try. The Utopia, I'm tired of hearing about it. I guess that's why martyr's are just that. Their good idea's become too threating.
Remember that little ol guy what's his name oh yeah, Jesus. Yeah that's a scary story, start asking the wrong(right) question's and you will hang from a cross.
Im saying that in this world people will work for what they get. Would you work all you life and never see a penny? OF course not because you need Food and a place to live. And if you want to bring in religion, a world with out borders wont work because sin entered this world and this world is dying. 6 Billion people wont come together to make a perfect world. I would like it to happen but I know that it can't
Your thinking in lines you are familiar with. Think outside the box. You are measuring work in terms of compensation as a dollar amount. What if you were guaranteed, through the work you performed, provided shelter(suitable and comfortable), food enough for you to live comfortably with. All the things of which you cherish as comforts could still exist.
1. Look at large urban and lower class neighborhoods. There are abandoned buildings sitting vacant. The landowners hold on to them as devalued assets against their overall tax liability for the year. These buildings could house currently homeless people. Just think you wouldn't have to ask where they go.
2. How often do you hear about obesity in this country. I think overconsumption is what the larger picture here. It's funny but it goes more than personal diet.
3. Overproduction could be eliminated. You ever been to a junkyard, a large one in the greater metropolis. Look at how many cars, how much steel is in one. Then go to your car dealerships in your neighborhood. They add up to something I can't figure out.
4. Propaganda from "business owner's" your right no one wants to give what they have worked hard for. Inherited money is the bain of all successful nation's. Of course young republicans like George Bush don't want estate taxes, they didn't work for that money it was given to them. Hard work, I would like you to show me one established multi-millionaire that actually worked for their money.
Reply to 1-3 : A world with no borders wouldn't help any of this. You would have to get rid of those problems to make a utopia. And to do that requires socialism or Communism. Both of which have failed and wont work.
4. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_13_97/ai_60059968 So how bout you PM me an example of a millionaire who hasn't worked hard....(ok Lotto winners don't count....Ill agree with you there)
To some extent I agree with Platt3r, that this is not a feasible idea. It is still a wonderful idea that I have been contemplating a lot as well lately, but remains impossible due to the greed that humans are empowered with. To completely make a utopian world, a world wide revolution would have to occur.
However, I must call our Platt3r on the Socialist comment, it's just a minor correction, but one that always bugs me. Socialism is an ideal, but has never been used as a governmental system such as Communism. Communism was the perverse attempt at Socialism but failed (for the most part) because of the greed invested in its leaders.
Socialism is based off of Karl Marx's evolution of history and economical society and is the last eventual place. However, Marx did not believe it was even possible for Socialism to be obtained because first the whole world would have to be Capitalist, then there would have to be a large seperation of the high and low classes, then the proletariat would have to rise up and overthrow the bourgouseua (incredible spelling butchery) all at relatively the same time.
Back to a perfect utopia without borders. I believe that to some extent it is possible by immigration to reach a point in which there will be not as nearly as much ethnicity issues. However, like Platt3r was saying, the problem would be the world economy. The last time there was no borders, economy was based upon the barter and share system... so there would have to be a return to that. Once again, greed has been instilled in the human race so it would be hard for the well endowed to give up their claims of having more than another person so that everyone can share equally.
I agree that a world without borders is incredibly ideal, and I wish it could be true, but a cultural/world revolution of thought would have to occur.
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Well as we sit, or blog. The "new axis of evil" presents itself...It will be a conglomeration of Middle Eastern Wahabi's , Asian authoritarian communists, and Latin American third world countries. What you might think am I talking about. I don't want to spoil it for you. As conquest for resource becomes more ferocious. So too, will other nation's tired of swallowing what the US hands them. All I'm saying, if we don't wake up, it will be rather rude when we do. Yes Socialism has never had a true representation. Unfortunately, I agree, the revolution will not be televised, meaning more suitably, doubtful in my lifetime.
But I can dream, and I can incite free thought on the subject, not just rhetorical anti commie garbage.
Again propaganda, that's a nice story. Yes you are right through hard work one can accumulate wealth. With a little thought, you can turn it into a fortune. Sure all the successful types are B and C students. But I would think I wouldn't want the guy who didn't take school seriously or learned how to bend the rules, the deviant thinker, as one in so much control and power.
here is a touching story of the aspirations of "success"
http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/30/news/newsmakers/confessions_ceo.fortune/...
Here is a story of Paul Carroll a poet:
http://www.poetrycenter.org/about/perspectives/carroll.html
My point being in these two. The aspirations to become wealthy are fine, but the amount of sacrifice is not worth it. Think of the greatest corporation of all time Standard Oil, here is a story of get rich quick, are you familiar with the Rockefeller's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Oil
You are young, does High School History still cover the subject of Monopolies.
How about debeer's are you familiar with the diamond mining industry.
http://inquirer.gn.apc.org/afrodia.html
All in the pursuit of wealth. Sure you can say you wouldn't invest in something like that. did you know that if you buy stock in Pepsico, you are investing in fast food, and the prison system in one stock transaction.
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