I don't care what the religious stand point on the issue is, or who made up the verse which says God hates gay people, or why people find it necessary to hate others according to their sexuality. All I know is that it's wrong. And I'm speaking out against it!
I have been born and raised a catholic all my life. I understand why my faith and many others have so many problems with Gay marriage and things like that because supposedly God made the world for men and women to be together not men with men or women with women. I understand that but he also wants us to accept everyone for who they are and treat them as a neighbor and a friend. That includes people with different sexual taste along with all the other's we discriminate in this world. Some people take the bible way to seriously and when they find one thing about only men and women being meant to be together or about how everyone should worship God they force themselves to believe that it means they have to change anyone who doesn’t agree with that. The Bible is simply here to guild us to a better and happier life. When we have so much discrimination in the world, a lot of it coming from our own faith, then we are failing God's will for us to make the world a better place. Making everyone in the world against gays and bisexuals and atheist and other people does not make our world a better place, it only separates us even more and causes pain to so many.
I have witnessed some of my best friends who are gay be persecuted and hurt and left out of so much all because they were honest with the world about their sexuality. Get it through your little heads, you homophobic freaks: PEOPLE DON'T JUST WAKE UP ONE DAY AND DECIDE TO BE GAY, NOR CAN THEY CATCH IT LIKE A DISEASE FROM GAY PARENTS. YOU ARE BORN STRAIT, GAY, BISEXUAL, OR SOME OTHER SEXUALITY, IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN CONTROL. And there is no reason to EVER hurt someone for being honest about themselves. How would you like it if you had blond hair and the majority of the world had brown hair so you were bullied and excluded, and hurt all because of something you were born with that you couldn't control? I know that's not the best comparison considering we can dye our hair but the situations are similar as far as judgment goes. How can we possibly grow and progress as a society when people hate each other over nothing?
I think God is neither straight nor gay.
Nicholas Aden
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clearly you only read my title. If you actually read my blog, you'll see I meant that God loves everyone weather they are strait or gay. I wasn't talking about God himself, though I do agree with you, he/she has an undefined sexuality.
A wise man once said "I don't know ask a girl."
*Emily*
Nick read it. But he was pointing out the incorrect spelling in your title, not God's sexuality (since Nick is an atheist and thus does not believe in God).
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Yes. I can read. And I did read your blog, thanks.
Nicholas Aden
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Sorry I spaced out when reading your comment. I corrected the spelling mistake, thanks. Sometimes I just write on inspiration and forget to go back and check my grammar.
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*Emily*
You seem to contradict yourself several times in your post. You claim Christians are wrong, but then you explain that you know why Christians think they're right, and then you say God is not okay with homosexuality, but then you say He is???? Maybe I'm just not reading the post right.
At any rate, you say the Bible is written to guide us. That is very true. There are several sections of the Bible, both in Old and New Testament, that plainly speak against homosexuality. This is why so many Christians chose to prosecute homosexuals. To ignore the Bible completely is one thing, but who are we to omit one part of the Bible and accept another?
Perhaps understanding the context in which those sections were written would do Christians some good, then.
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A very good point...do you also then agree that gay people should be executed if they have sex with one another?
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The old testament laws and sacrifices were instituted before Christ because atonement was needed to communicate with God. So yes, in the old testament people were stoned to death for numerous things. But, Christians believe, that when Christ came to the earth and died on the cross, he took all the sins of the world and put them on himself. He was the final scarifice. And so, although we can take what God considers right and wrong from the old testament laws, actually following through on the punishments is unneccesary because Jesus was the final answer. Also, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." John 8:7. If you need more background information on the story, let me know.
ChelleBelle
The character named Jesus is also attributed with saying, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." (Matthew 5:17-18) But, that rather misses the point. The point however was in response to this comment...
No matter how modern christians attempt to evade this point, the fact is that their religion teaches that the "god" of the old testament is the same entity as the "god" of the new testament. As such, the mitigation of the story of Jesus doesn't really address the violent brutality that is attributed to that "god."
To suggest that Jesus "gets you off the hook" because he intercedes with the "god" described in the bible suggests to me that the object of worship, i.e. "god" does not represent a philosophy which I find to be particularly moral. Either the commandment to kill men who have sex with one another was moral, or it was not. If you think that it was not, how do you justify worshipping the figure that commanded the practice. If you think that it was, then I think your moral philosphy is somewhat obviously at odds which any concept of common humanity.
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On the verse from Matthew: Jesus did fullfil the law with his sacrifice, he was the final sacrifice so the sinful humans could be with a sinless God
The God of the old and new testament are the same, but the God of the new testament has had his final sacrifice. He no longer needs the punishment because we are cleansed in the blood of Jesus.
It would be moral to make anybody including homosexuals pay for their sins if the person making them pay is sinless. That is why I put the verse in my other response. Because the pharsees were going to stone a woman but Jesus called them out on their own sin. Jesus was the only one who could've stoned her, but he chose to forgive her because God is merciful. God doesn't see one sin as worse than another, we are all equally sinful and we all need equal forgivness. God provided that forgivness for us through his son Jesus, forgivness from anything and everything.
ChelleBelle
...can not, in my estimation, be called "merciful." This is the kind of circular, violent logic that causes me to reject the (and I use the term very generously) "morality" of the christian religion.
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hoestly, your argument is so flawed i don't even know where to begin. Let's do this, i'll point out the 'weak spots' and then you (and i'm sure many others) will tell me what a close-minded bigot i am.
let's start with your word usage. discriminate. America has a history of discrimination against many people, the most well known being discrimination of African Americans before and during the civil rights movement and the discrimination of Asian Americans during WWII. These people were denied the right right to vote, they were legally segregated, they were denied entrance or use of restuarants, drinking fountains, restrooms, etc. Homosexuals have never been discriminated against, they have been criticized, like many other groups of people.
You said "some people take the bible way to seriously" you also said, "I have been born and raised a catholic all my life" So I have a question. Are you catholic, or do you go to a catholic church because thats what you're expected to do? Because if you are catholic, then you kinda have to take the bible seriously. It is after all, the basis of your entire religion. If, however, you are simply catholic because it's expected, I understand why you think the bible isn't serious.
Another question, have you read the bible? It calls all believers to share the word of God with everyone they know. So I'm not sure what you mean by "they force themselves to believe that it means they have to change anyone who doesn’t agree with that" especially the "force themselves" part, but hopefully what I said clears that up.
"The Bible is simply here to guild us to a better and happier life" If you don't belive that the entire bible is truth, word for word, what's the point in believing part of it is true. And you you don't believe any of it is true, then you aren't a catholic and I would appreciate it if you stopped using that angle in you argument.
"we are failing God's will for us to make the world a better place" where did you get the idea that God's will is to make the earth a better place?
Just fyi, since you slipped it in too, my best friend is gay, a guy who is like a little brother to me is gay, as well as two of my other friends who aren't quite as close to me.
Back to word usage: homophobic freaks. interesting choice. homophobia is defined as irrational hatred or fear of homosexuals or homosexuality by Webster's new world college dictionary. I permit, that there are homophobic people in the world, however, you are clumping everyone who disagrees with you into this catagory, which is prejudice. Which, unless i'm reading wrong, is the whole point of this blog, to show that prejudice against homosexuals is wrong.
Free hint: making your words all caps doesn't make it any more true.
Even pro-homosexual researchers admit that no one is born gay. Genetics alone cannot account for sexual orientation- heterosexual, homosexual, or otherwise.
Other than those, you did a good job of communicating your point, duly noted, and while I agree with you that hating, bullying, and excluding people is wrong, I disagree with what you believe causes it. Christianity, if it is properly practiced, never calls for hate or discrimination, in fact, it warns against it. "Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?" Matthew 7:3, as well as other verses. Once again it is people, not the religion itself, that have screwed up the world. Next time you want to rant against a religion, do your homework.
ChelleBelle
Doing one's homework, indeed...
Are you aware that up until recently, gay couples were being arrested for having relations with one another? The recent Supreme Court Case of Lawrence v. Texas (2003) involved two adult men who were arrested and jailed for having consensual sex with one another in the privacy of their own bedroom. Or, how about when the State of Colorado passed a law stating that it was okay for businesses to single out gay people for discriminatory treatment? (see Romer v. Evans (1996)) Gay people in this country are regularly discriminated against in housing, employment, and public accomodations. We suffer from one of the highest rates of targetted violence against our community, and face systematic discrimination from almost all government agencies. To suggest that gay people aren't being discriminated against is a really a rediculous position to take.
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thanks for pointing out the mistake for, in futur reference I shall alter my argument. Was anyhting else out of place?
ChelleBelle
I could have a field day with this one...
...since no sane, rational person who has actually read the bible could defend the position that the bible is "truth, word for word," but that would be, I think, a subject for another day.
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oh please do elaborate for me, it'll make my day.
ChelleBelle
Go check out some of his blogs. And DB's, while you're at it. They talk about the contradictions plenty.
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I agreed with almost everything you wrote. I noticed that at one point your title apparently needed some reworking. For some reason, I still get the impression that God can be either straight or gay from your title. My first thought was "Why not just say that God is bisexual?"
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