When I wrote my previous blog on abortion I did not anticipate such an overwhelming criticsm on how to handle rape cases with abortion. This was a huge mistake on my part. Once again I am male and catholic. Stating this you know that the catholic church does not believe in abortions and is prolife no matter what. That is where I still stand, BUT I would never look down upon a woman in such a god awful spot.
It is not the womans fault that she is raped. It was not her choice to have sex so why should she keep the legacy of a raper alive insider to constantly remind her of of the awful experience. She should not have to in my reasoning but at the same time there are adoption centers they can visit. Abortion is killing, a small human child, no matter how you look at it, so all I would ask of the unfortunate woman in this position is to consider that and then I would respect the decesion that they make. This is the only time I think that abortions should be pro-choice, that is the case of rape victims. Any other time it IS their fault for falling victim to passion instead of love. They should live with the consequences of their actions as so should the child. Its not a childs fault that their parents were to immature to make proper decesions on sex so why kill an infant. Be an adult and make the right choice while there is still time and go pro-life.
Pro-life is the only option. Women who are raped are the clear exception because there life will be the only what the should be affected (even though its still a child in their belly) because its not their fault some pervert raped. Make the right choice, pro-life.
By "belly" I assume you mean "uterus"? It would be more conducive to your argument if you were using more precise (and correct) language. I think its being imprecise to refer to a fetus as a "small human child".
How do you feel about abortion in cases of fetal indication, where the fetus has a genetic disease or disorder that will severely impair or impact their life?
Or how about in cases iwhere ts determined later in pregnancy that a fetus will be stillborn, due to a genetic issue or issue during pregnancy. It's very dangerous for a woman to give birth to a dead baby and could lead to life-threatening complications. Is this an exceptable case for an abortion?
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I totally agree with you.
as for:
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hahahahahaha.
its so true.
Genetic Engineering can be used [:
Please give a concrete example, because I've yet to hear of a genetic engineering technique that can fix a fetus with Down's Syndrome or various other chromosomal disorders.
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What's interesting is that you, being a man, will never have to experience pregnancy and childbirth. This is just a hypothetical situation to you. It's not a choice you will be in a position to make. Also interesting to note is that something like 80% of anti-choice leaders are men and 100% will never, ever be pregnant.
Sometimes, the right choice is having an abortion. Sometimes the responsible thing to do is not have a child because you are not in a position to care for it properly or you just aren't parenting material.
"I would ask of the unfortunate woman in this position is to consider that and then I would respect the decesion that they make."
I'm glad that you respect her decision -- well, so long as she consults you on the matter first. Sure, it's likely the most traumatic thing that has ever happened in her life, possibly her first 'sexual' experience of any kind, and she's probably dealing with a lot of emotions and, okay, so statistically the rapist is probably a friend, a husband, a boyfriend, a relative, and if she's brave enough to report it to the police, odds are she's going to have to defend everything from the way she was dressed to how hard she fought but you know, she'd be glad to know that you have deemed her worthy of choosing to have an abortion.
I just don't think you realize what you, a total stranger, are asking of a woman in that position. I hope that no one you're close to ever goes through any experience like that.
Slut-shaming isn't cool, by the way. You say that you shouldn't punish a "child" because its parents weren't mature enough to make the proper decisions about sex. What is the "proper decision" then? I'm assuming you mean abstinence until marriage and that's awesome if that's your choice. But the fact is, most people are going to have sex before marriage. A whole lot of them, in fact. The government approved abstinence only education isn't stopping people from having sex. All it's doing is making people uneducated about sex which leads to more unplanned pregnancies and diseases and more abortion.
Abortion should be legal, safe, and rare. That will never happen if people don't know how to use or get contraception. Telling people to stop having sex because they will get pregnant and die isn't working. Most anti-choice people don't seem to see it. The answer is not "Keep telling people to stop having sex". Plan A isn't working.
Awesome comment.
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first of all i do not feel that they need to consult me rather their conscience as to whether or not KILLING a child within them is something they can live. And for your abstinence only education, I do not believe that is a solution, but rather protective education. Women must protect themselves if they will not make the guy(condoms and the pill) and thus both(the man and the woman) are responsible for the baby, whose life was created based on their immature and unplanned actions. I do not believe in killing a child because the parents were to negligent in keeping their priorities straight. Pro-Life I stand.
As far as "immature and unplanned actions" go, you can take every reasonable precaution to prevent pregancy and still get pregnant. It's unlikely, but it happens. So watch out, dude, if you're having sex.
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nic mode is entered and rash and rushed decesions are made in haste.
Like what, exactly? I'm not really getting the drift of what you're saying. And what is "nic"?
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what i said was that if all precautions are taken and one becomes pregnant what is this chance of this ? 1 in a billion or so. I am not foolish enough to believe that this is not possible because my parents have admitted that it happened to them. I am open with them and the way i see if a couple takes the time to make sure the protection is there then they will likely take the time to make a patient and informed decesion compared to the parents who did not think to use it. These parents will most likely enter panic mode and make a hasty choice that could effect their emotional well beings and the unborn child's life forever. If they take the time to use protection then if they become pregnanate they should have a choice but lean to having it, because what a miracle it must be for such a rare feat to occurr. I would not condemn them for choosing against having it though, rather disappointed.
This is what I'm gathering from your comments:
A) Abortion is wrong because it kills babies always.
B) Women who are raped are allowed to consider abortion but they should carry the pregnancy to term. But you wouldn't condemn a woman in that situation for aborting. She didn't choose to have a fertilized egg. She has no responsibility for it.
C) Women who use birth control yet still conceive are allowed to consider abortion but they should carry the pregnancy to term. But you wouldn't condemn a woman in that situation for aborting. She didn't choose to have a fertilized egg. She did everything in her power to stop it.
D) Women who do not properly use birth control and conceive are not allowed to consider abortion. They have to carry the pregnancy to term. They have to take responsibility for the mistake.
Although I would wish that all life should be carried through out term as you put it, although i do understand the other side. I feel all life should be treated as such, and not to abort unless there is dire medical need, whether physically or mentally.
You think that if a couple tries as hard as possible to not get pregnant and still gets pregnant, that they should have the baby solely because it was such a rare event that she got pregnant in the first place?
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No, i think that they need to take a strong look and see how they stand on abortion, look at their religous values and make the best possible decesion although I would hope they chose life, i can not say that if prevention methods were taken that they should have the baby. Rather I would just be disappointed in the fact that a fetus was killed,but would not hold them accountable or in lower disregard because they did what they could to avoid what they did not want to happen. Now if a couple becomes pregnant who choose not to use protection then they should have to live with the consequences and either raise the child or put it up for adoption.
Well, I'm happy you make the exception for rape victims, but you have yet to answer if you feel the same way about other rare cases... the baby being stillborn, the baby having some genetic disease that would make it live miserably its whole life, even the mother DYING from being pregnant, which is a huge chance if it's an ecoptic (I'm probably spelling that wrong) pregnancy, and in that case, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY for the 'child' to survive. None. Zero. And the mother will probably end up infertile or dead as a result. That has NOTHING to do with parents being 'negligent in keeping their priorities straight'.
I still say men shouldn't have any say in this discussion. It's hypothetical to you. It's a very real possibility for me.
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I am pro life, although I believe there are few exceptions as is this case of rape, medical emergency, or a direct threat to the mother and childs life. In these cases I would hope that the parents both make a pro life choice WHEN possible, but i do not feel that any should be able to get an abortion. I feel that medically there must be a reason, not just im not ready for this baby, although I would one hundred percent prefer that a baby be born, but when lives are at stake one must be willing to compromise.
Okay, so according to your original blog you are pro-life, however...
after reading all of your replies to other people's comments, you seem to be much more pro-choice. Because....being pro-choice does not necessarily mean that you believe it is right, but that it should be available to people put in those extenuating circumstances, like rape. And you say that if a woman is raped, its okay for her to get an abortion, or if a person who has done everything in their power to prevent pregnancy still gets pregnant, its okay for them too....but if you're pro-life that generally means that you don't think abortion is right in any situation, especially for people who voluntarily choose to have sex,.
Also, many of your replies are slightly contradicting...you said that its okay to get an abortion if you tried to protect yourself, or if you were raped, but then you go to say that it should only be available to those who need it for medical reasons...so which one is it?
I don't think you and I are really on the same page. I am pro-choice all the time...I don't think women should have to keep a fetus. Do I think abortion is right? No. But women should have their own choices when it comes to their life and the life of the fetus.
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This is why I could never be Catholic. I have a uterus, and I certainly don't need anyone else telling me what I should do with it.
I can't imagine carrying a baby that a rapist put in me. Urging women to spend nine months creating new life with their rapists is unbelievably disgusting and cruel.
She should not have to in my reasoning but at the same time there are adoption centers they can visit.
I could never carry a pregnancy knowing that I don't want the baby.
Abortion is killing, a small human child, no matter how you look at it,
That's not how I see it.
This is the only time I think that abortions should be pro-choice, that is the case of rape victims. Any other time it IS their fault for falling victim to passion instead of love.
People who are in love can still have unwanted pregnancies. I'm in love, but my spouse and I don't want anymore children. We use protection, but it is not 100% effective. Thankfully, we've never had to have an abortion, but if we did, it would not be because we "fell victim to passion instead of love."
Its not a childs fault that their parents were to immature to make proper decesions on sex so why kill an infant.
And what is the "proper decision on sex?" To have sex with your spouse only until you have 1-2 children, then abstain until you're 50? No, thank you!
I have made the proper decision on sex. I am married. I have sex with my spouse. We have all the children we want. We are using birth control. We will use abortion if we have to. It's the only reasonable option.
I think by parents in this situation, he does not mean 2 married people. He means 2 people who, while outside the university of marriage, could not control their urge to have sex (teen sex)
no one has the same opinion, adn mine is also different. Being religious, and a woman, i am very pro-life. if i were raped, i would have the child and give it up for adoption. i wouldn't kill it. now, i just have to ask, you don't need tecnhnical terms to make things understandable, do you? i understood this completely with the existing wording. also, being religious, and due to a family experience, i know that even if the doctors say that the baby could be born with problems, or the mother could die in childbirth, God will not neccessarily let that happen (they said my littlest brother would be retarded, and he is exceptionally smart) and besides, God will take care of the problem if you have faith, which so many of you obviously do not. I am a woman, and i am pro-life.
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In the case of rape, I think it smart to try to see it this way. Is it REALLY the baby's fault that you were raped? Of course not, it wasn't even concieved yet. So why should the baby have to suffer for the faults of mankind? There are so many other ways of dealing with this problem besides abortion (aka murder). You could try adoption. This way the baby will always have a home. It might not be the best home, but like rape, some of the worst experiences in life can be the best teacher.
What can rape teach you? How can rape be a valuable life lesson? It's sounds like you're saying rape is okay, because you're saying that something good can come from it.
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Quite frustrating seeing the ignorant responses.
Just because he's a man does not mean he isn't entitled to his own opinion. Regardless of your sex or race.
Also, just because you believe that in some cases abortion is an option (however, I still strongly urge adoption) does not mean you're pro-choice.
I'm very much Pro-Life, yet see rape as an instance where it can be an option.
Or for example if there isn't some way to genetically engineer the mental/physical impairment that the child may face, then it is an option.
Being pro-choice means you think women should be able to choose to have an abortion. So far, you think women should be able to have an abortion in the case of rape and if the fetus has a serious genetic disease or disorder. That sounds a little too open to choice to be pro-life.
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