abstenice only?

SenatorGraham4evr's picture

so, i was woundering about all the money that are being use to funded abstenice only program, and i wounder if it really work.  you see, i believe that abstenice works in theory, but does in works in reality.  one can tell that teaching children about contraceptive works because their are demanded for it, and you see woman and man buying birth control and condom, but how do one knows that abstenice only works? 

the only way one will know if abstenice works is to check the virginity of the male and females on their wedding day, so here is my purposal, those that preaches that abstenice only works should prove that it does works by showing the hymen of the female that they have taught to in the classroom.  if my tax dollars are going to pay for abstenice only program without teaching about contraceptive uses, than i want to see if abstenice only really does works.  

the only way to prove that my tax dollars have done a good job of preaching abstenice only have works is to show me the hymen on the female and the virginity of the male on thier wedding days.

now lets be realistice here, sure student might nod thier head in agreement with abstenice only program, even sign letter or makes pledge to keep themselve pure until their wedding night, and our tax dollars are funding it, but do they really keep thier promise, and how do one know that they are going to be virgin on their wedding nigth, there is no way to prove that they kept their promise except one have to check the virginity of the female and male that sign up on their wedding night.

so, one question, abstenice only works in theory, does it works in reality, since there is no way to prove that one who took abstenice only class is a virgin on their wedding night, unless one check the female hymen, and how about the male?  how do one prove that they are virgins? 

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fallon's picture
Managing Director of Progressive U

Actually, several studies have shown that abstinence only education does not work.
http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/publications/stateevaluations/index.htm

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mvenus929's picture
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Furthermore, the hymen can be broken by other means (such as using tampons, and heavy sports such as horseback riding). And it usually doesn't go away completely until childbirth. So that's not really an accurate way to measure virginity.

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You can also "repair" the hymen too, so I agree with you on that one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hymenoplasty

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Milia's picture

I don't think it works.. Personally, I think that contraception should be the main focus. They should also say something like "abstenice is the best contraceptive." Obviously not all kids are going to practice abstenice so they should know how to have "safe-sex". It isn't promoting sex.. it is just telling them how to be safe if they have sex. Most kids don't want to ask where they can go to learn about contraception if it isn't taught it school; it is uncomfortable. That means there's a chance that they would not use contraception which can lead to the spread of STD's and unwanted pregnancies.

Ignoring the flaws of your essay, I agree with the topic. As a teen I've been constantly force fed the "abstinence" bull shit and I don't think anyone listens. Sure, I signed the pledge and wrote the papers talking about how I would remain a virgin until I were married, but fuck, I had sex for the first time at 16.

Now, I admit it wasn't my best choice, but if I had to do it all again, I'd repeat that mistake. I think I am a better person for it. I now know that there isn't much that I'm "missing out on" by not having sex, and I know that because I used a condom with Nonoxinol-9 and because she was on the pill, It was safe and I won't have to deal with the repercussions (i.e. a child).

I don't think that teens should be having sex but I have to admit that I know they will. The solution is to offer free contraceptives to any student that feels the need to have sex. Leave a jar of condoms in all the restrooms if you have to, but make it available.

Nicholas Aden

violinkeri's picture
Volunteer for the Progressive U Alumni Association

As a supporter of safe-sex education, I would like to point out that teaching about contraception does not mean you will immediately start having sex. I started learning about contraception and stuff at the same time I started learning about puberty and menstruation, about age 10. I started having sex a few months before my 20th birthday--safely.

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blackout's picture
Volunteer for the Progressive U Alumni Association

...conducted by Mathematica Policy Research, Inc. (http://www.mathematica-mpr.com/) found the following...

"Findings from this study provide no evidence that abstinence programs implemented in upper elementary and middle schools are effective in reducing the rate of teen sexual activity."

http://www.mathematica-mpr.com/publications/PDFs/impactabstinence.pdf

The data on the effectiveness (or rather lack thereof) of abstinence-only education has been out there for many years. This report was just one more nail in the coffin containing the idea that this kind of "education" works. "Just don't do it" might work with a two-year-old, but it isn't think kind of argument that teens find particularly convincing.

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LaceyAaker's picture

Schools do need to teach about contraceptive use, and I think they should start teaching it earlier. I didn't fully learn about contraceptives in school until the second semester of my Sophmore year when the majority of people in my class had all ready lost their virginity. They may have used contraceptives, but that doesn't mean they have used them correctly. You should have seen the wide eyes in the class when the teacher said you SHOULD'T be using two condoms for "extra protection." Kids will always do things that are enjoyable, even if it is potentially dangerous. We need to be informed about contraceptives, and if at all possible earlier. However, I do think that abstinence should be talked about as well as many high-schoolers don't even see it as a viable option.

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Abstinence + contraceptive programs that teach
1. abstinence is the only 100% method of not getting pregnant or an STD (and that means abstinence from oral sex too.)
2. contraceptives are not 100% safe but if you are going to have sex you need to use them. 98 % safe is better than 50-50.
3. The biology behind how an STD is transmitted.
4. The biology behind how a girl gets pregnant.
5. repeat as needed.

When I was in school we had a pretty good program. It started with an explanation of puberty, then a study of ourselves, then a guy came to the middle school and put a condom on a banana, then a Nurse came and told us the seriousness of STDs and how serious sex is. Then in high school we learned the biology of sex, the biology of STDs, the Biology of babies and births, etc., all the while our teacher emphasized that abstinence was the only 100% way to avoid an STD or a baby. She also taught about contraceptives, and not just condoms but spermicide, IUDs and other contraceptives. She taught the above 5 points and I think if they teach all 5 starting in 4th grade, then the rates might go down.

Boys and Girls are curious and they need to ask questions. I tell my students at the Center, "I am a Virgin and I am not ashamed. Sex is not something to be ashamed of. True you should wait but if you make the choice not to, you should be safe." I don't use those exact words every time, but that's the meaning of what I say. I am a Christian and I want the kids to trust me enough to know that I care, and I want them to trust me enough to really think things through before they make the decision about sex.

Sex is very serious, and people should think long and hard before they make the decision to have sex. I did and I decided to wait until marriage.

As far as what God wants for sex and sexuality, that should be taught in the church. The church is too squeamish about sex. They should have an open sex education program based on the Bible. (Or whatever religion it is, should have a sex education program based on the teachings of that religion.)
The Bible is not ashamed of sex, and neither should Christians be. The Christian church should openly teach sex and teach exactly what the Bible teaches. Okay, I do NOT believe in stoning people to death, but I'm talking about teaching that sex is natural, sexual feelings are okay to have, sex should wait until marriage, sex is God's gift, rape is wrong, etc.

Public schools should teach about sex from a neutral academic viewpoint using the above 5 teaching points, and only teaching the facts about sex, abstinence, contraceptives, etc. (Note, abstinence includes not having oral sex too.) The school is not responsible for imparting moral values but is responsible for giving the students enough facts to make a valid moral decision.

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