The Invincible Man

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So, due to the fact that I'm still rather resentful at everyone for their continued focus on politics and my own inability to participate completely in the 2008 political campaign process because of my age, I decided to rebel against the whole political atmosphere thing and throw you all for a loop. Science, and not of the global warming variety either.

I was reading this article recently in the Washington Post about a man named Aubrey De Grey, the so-called Invincible Man who proposes that some people living today in the spanking new (well, relatively so) year of 2008 will live for 1,000 years.

Now, I may be wrong on this but so far, I haven't heard of anyone living to 200, much less 1,000. There's a considerable difference between the two lifespans. If we, with all our technology today, cannot get someone to not kick the bucket once they reached the big 2-0-0, then how are we ever going to be able to have someone to survive to reach their 1,000 year old birthday (assuming the global warming won't kill us all first)? Technology takes a great deal of time to perfect and I'm predicting that this little bit of technological know-how won't be figured out as easily. Yes, there have been people who have lived past 100 but they are, at that point and let me state this carefully, so evidently old that they are usually unable to live as they had when they were younger. De Grey claims that these future 1,000 year olds will be young and muscular, as healthy as they were when they were 20.

The whole basis of De Grey's argument are "seven kinds of critical kinds of damage" including "intracellular aggregates such as lipofuscin" which are accumulated by the cells in our bodies but outside of our bodies, are quickly decomposed by micro-organisms (based on De Grey's observations that "lipofuscin is fluourescent and graveyards don't glow in the dark"). The trick to preventing this sounds deceptively simple, put the lipofuscin-digesting microorganisms in our bodies.

Still, there are other issues, some that any Biology student can point out in a flash (but perhaps De Grey has been able to address them because so far, no scientist had been able to prove that De Grey's arguments were impossible according to the judges which included renowned scientists such as J. Craig Venter). What of the flaws in DNA replication which also contribute to aging? As cells divide, they must replicate their DNAs and, to be short and sweet here, there is one end of DNA that cannot be replicated. So, as cells continue dividing, their DNA strands grow shorter and shorter, a problem that is only slightly mitigated by the existence of telomeres which are attached to the un-replicable end of the DNA strand. Still, it obviously cannot work forever.

There are also the issues that come with the potential of immortality, or at least the closest thing to immortality as we can get. If we somehow did manage to survive for 1,000 years, the population would continue to grow with a steady birth rate and a virtually non-existent death rate. The burden on the planet and its resources, I must imagine, would be almost beyond relief. What are the moral implications of this? How will society change in response to having the same citizens for 1,000 years?

As for me, I'll be content enough to kick the bucket at some respectable old age of 100. I doubt that this will come in time to work for me, at any rate.

If anyone has read De Grey's work, "Ending Aging: The Rejuvenation Breakthroughs That Could Reverse Human Aging in Our Lifetime" or has any input on this, please comment. I'll be interested to hear your opinions on this.

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Wow, this is really interesting, but also kinda scary. If I think about it, I'm not sure I'd even want to live that long. Seems a little unnatural if you ask me.

And also, has this doctor considered that the people who live this long may not have a very enjoyable life? What if, instead of being youthful for a couple hundred years, they suffer through alzheimers (sp?) for that long?

Well, a millenium is a little old. I'm content with living to 150. I don't need more than one and a half centuries of life to realize that I'm old. I think that (I'm old!) and I'm not even 20.

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We're heading that way already (or have arrived there). But after the inevitable population crash there should be few enough people that we could live that long.

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Ms Zheng, having introduced this gentleman to us (by the way, is he a geneticist or a journalist on the order of Von Daneken?), quite intriguingly pointed out that even a scientist such as Ventner cannot disprove the possibilty of this suggested biological mechanism advancing the human life-span by a factor of ten.

By the way, Ms Zheng, I'm a 55-year-old interloper here, aka GroundsKeeper. After breifly glancing at a few comments, including Alenka's blistering attack upon confirmed atheists, I found your's to be by far the most attention-grabbing, and not merely because you managed to present a technical subject with a sustained note of clarity.

My question is not whether De Grey's idea could ever be implemented with the success of even a fraction of the additional years he seems to be after, but why he would want to live so long at all---assuming of course that the author of the idea would be the first one to try it.

Death is not easy for any one to confront. I watched my mother die this summer, quietly, peacefully, in a mild narcotic coma. She was 85. . . . People may wish to prolong their consciousness through an implausible scheme such as De Grey's, or they may take the more traditional historic route and assiduously pracitice one of the religious faiths which promises the continuation of their consciousness in the form of their soul in the after-life.

What drove me away from any form of religious faith years ago was the fact that there still remains several contending ones to this day. By the way, just for the sake of argument, how do you suppose a thousand-year life span would effect a human being's penchant for subscribing to a religious faith?

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That is actually very interesting. I had never actually thought of the implications that near-immortality would have on the existence of religion. Would humans continue to hold true to their religious beliefs? I actually believe that they would because there will still be that chance of dying (any technology would prevent death by aging, not death by any other cause) and humans require faith to have the courage to look forward to the obscure mystery of death, there are very few people who can anticipate death unwaveringly and without any hopes that there will be an afterlife...that the end of this life only brings the beginning of another and better life. Being Buddhist, I cannot really relate as much to this but I can understand their fears and hopes. Do I think that religion's role in society will dwindle significantly? Yes. However, as much as religion is the dividing force in society, I believe that it is important because it provides many with the morals that they would otherwise do without (that is, not to say that atheists do not have morals). People are more inclined to do what they believe is 'right' if they believe there will be a reward for doing so (or a punishment for failing to do so) later.

Thank you for bringing that up, I'm really surprised that I hadn't considered this before.

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