Do you know what the 2nd most printed book in circulation after the Bible is? Of course not your "well" educated.

 "Chairman Mao is the red sun in our hearts."

Mao's The Little Red Book is the second most published book in circulation but you don't know that because it is an inconvenient turth. You could say o China just printed out that propaganda because they were Communist. But then you would not be a progressive by definition.

 To dismiss the 2nd most published book in the world shows a total disrespect of world culture. Read that book if you truly want to be "well" educated. If well educated means getting as many contradictions in your brain as possible so that down the road you'll be able to make the wise choices.

 The Bible has been in print for over 500 years by the way as well as the Quran. Funny the Book of Mormon is up there. The only

SECULAR book up in the top 10 is Mao's but you won't read because if you did your tiny minds would implode.

 I dare you to be informed.

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Where did you get your information? I'm interested to see the complete list...

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O I love you mvenus929.

Rather than doing your own research you want me to give you a site so you can say, O that's a propaganda site.

I love you for helping me show white ignorance.

But if you were to actually use your noggin and type: LIST OF BEST-SELLING BOOKS on Google you would have found out yourself

But you are probably a wikipedist so I have something special for you...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_books

Let the true Information Revolution begin when people actually utilize resources rather than sleepily assume

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No, I was honestly curious... I had heard that things like the Diary of Anne Frank were among the top selling books. And since there are over 13 MILLLION hits on google for that search term, I wanted to know what site YOU looked at. But, let's look at some of the results I pull up.

You claimed in your blog that the only secular piece on the top 10 was Mao's book. This site (http://www.booksellerworld.com/bestselling-booksever.htm) gives the dictionary, and 8 other secular books. The Koran isn't mentioned. This list (http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-best-selling-books) includes Harry Potter, which I consider a secular book. And a book by Agatha Christie. Just two sites, and I have two very different lists going on. The second is the same as the top one on wikipedia.

And I actually hate wikipedia. It's banned at my college as a legit resource, so I rarely use it, if ever.

So maybe you should take your own advice and not 'sleepily assume' something when someone asks you a question.

Now, if you would be so kind, would you please give the site where you got your information?

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Why do you keep attacking white people? Racism and hostility are not becoming.

Also, it's not very difficult to have a best selling book when you require your country's population of 1 billion to buy the book.

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I'm sorry if I consider Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone nonsecular. There is something about sorcery and witchcraft that is totally nonsecular. LOL. Well Mvenus you caught me. I was drunk when I posted but that is no excuse, so let's get to the point of why I wrote this blog.

I think it is bad that the only political (progressive) book in the best sellers is Mao's. All the others in the top 10 are based on religion, fictitious figures, fairy tales, or a murder-mystery for geriatrics. Do you agree?

More importantly, you never even mentioned the words Mao, Little Red Book, or China.

I really appreciate your concern for detail, but not at the expense of the overall message which is please be well-rounded and appreciate other cultures literature and identity.

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Oh, calling the Little Red Book progressive sends shooting pains up my freedom.

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"I think it is bad that the only political (progressive) book in the best sellers is Mao's."

That is my quote

And again will you please stay on course

embryowassup stop proving my point by dismissing other cultures and books in circulation

The Bible sends shooting pains up my freedom, and I hate Mao Zedung because my grandfather was killed by his People's Army.

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I'm not dismissing other cultures by saying that forcing people to purchase a book will naturally make it a best-seller. The status as a best seller doesn't send shooting pains up my freedom, it's your (parenthetical) label of 'progressive' with reference to that book that does.

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Progressivism is a term that refers to a broad school of international social and political philosophies.

I withdraw from the semantic game

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I don't think it's bad at all that some of the world's best selling books are nonfiction (and nonreligious). It shows that as a society, we still favor creativity and imagination. I still value that, at least, because with those comes the potential for change. Besides, nonfiction books are the best for making political statements. Case in point, read the short stories by F Paul Wilson: "Buckets", "Lipidleggin'" and "Pelts". You can find the first two in Soft and Others, and the third and Barrens and Others. If those aren't political statements, I don't know what is.

And I did mention Mao in my post. I just don't particularly like Mao, though if I remember correctly from my history class 3 years ago, he did do some good things for China. Can't remember what they are, because we focused on Stalin over Mao and Ho Chi Minh, but I'm pretty sure he did something good. Even Stalin did something good, even if he killed 30 million people in the process.

I'm more interested in ancient history, anyway.

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You pimp that Wilson fellow!

I really wish that Sun Yat-Sen had one good successor instead of two shitty ones.

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Lol. Yeah, I've read a lot of his books lately. And he's a physician, so he writes medical stuff that catches my eye. Just wait another month or two, and I'll be all over Preston and Child, or maybe Crichton, or Meg Cabot again (such radical changes in genres, hmm?). I'm working on a list of books my boyfriend gave me, and there's like 10 books by FPW.

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...but as probably one of the very few people here who has actually read Mao's Quotations, I was also curious as to where you gleaned your information. It is, I hope you understand, generally considered the responsibility of the blogger to provide a link to their own sources upon demand. It isn't good netiquette to expect your readers to have to track down your sources.

I also have to disagree with your contention that The Little Red Book is the only non-secular book to make the "top ten" list that you cite. I mean, the Xinhua Zidian is a dictionary, Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone is a non-religious work or fantasy, and And Then There Were None is an Agatha Christie detective novel.

But, I'm not really sure of the point of your blog. What are you criticizing...exactly, here? Oh, and I'm curious...of the books that are in the top ten on your list, how many of them have you actually read yourself? (I've read six of them, and I suppose I should get around to reading the other four, now that you mention it).

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His point is that he's Asian and hates white people. Mostly the latter.

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Right. Because anyone whose skin color is extremely susceptible to sunburn is surely not credible or intelligent and so overprivileged that s/he can't see the evil that is dumb whitey.

Can cliches stop replying to my post.

Next time you post please do not write your race write your geographic location and socioeconomic class.

Divorce race and culture from your minds. I speak perfect Engrish.

The overprivileged statement is what I am getting at. People who are overprivileged should be the ones most interested in getting an opinion from underprivileged people.

That is why you should identify yourself not by racial standards, but by socioeconomic standards and geography (which is what culture is all about.)

It's sad our identities hinge on socioeconomic class; but again an inconvenient truth that must be addressed.

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I wasn't aware I had indicated my race, given that I didn't think it was especially relevant. Or were you not replying to me? You seem often to forget to hit the reply button. I only guessed because of the overprivileged part.

You also seem to preach ideal behaviors you do not practice in your own diatribes, so I'm having a great deal of difficulty taking you seriously.

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> Can cliches stop replying to my post.

You might want to consider the potential for hypocrisy in that comment...

> Next time you post please do not write
> your race write your geographic location
> and socioeconomic class.

Its interesting that you say this, since you were the first person in this discussion to make the illusion of race an issue, when you said "I love you for helping me show white ignorance." Personally, I didn't got the racial route, but simply asked you a few direct questions (which you have avoided answering, it seems).

> Divorce race and culture from your
> minds.

No one has mentioned divorce that I have seen, so how is that comment relevant?

> I speak perfect Engrish.

Please refer to your own, previously stated prohibition against cliched responses.

> The overprivileged statement is what
> I am getting at. People who are
> overprivileged should be the ones most
> interested in getting an opinion from
> underprivileged people.

How do you define "overprivileged" and "underprivileged?" I do think that people always have something they can learn from each other, but I question the implication of your use of these terms. Please explain.

> That is why you should identify yourself
> not by racial standards, but by socioeconomic
> standards and geography (which is what
> culture is all about.)

Culture is a somewhat mercurial term in its subjectivity. But, it is not generally considered correct to define "culture" just in terms of "socioeconomic standards and geography." Sociologically, culture is considered the capacity to communicate experiences symbolically, and a culture is any group which identifies with itself on a symbolic level. So, while "race" may not be a scientifically dependable concept, the perception of race is a relevant cultural consideration.

> It's sad our identities hinge on
> socioeconomic class; but again an
> inconvenient truth that must be addressed.

I agree that it would be sad to do so, but I still don't follow how this relates to the comments in your original blog. You say that "the overprivileged statement is what I am getting at," but you really haven't made any discernible argument concerning the nature of privilege. I would appreciate it if you would explain to us what you mean in a little more detail.

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None of you would change places with me and I'm rich! That's how good it is to be white!" Chris Rock being funny

"Every country club now has a diversity committee. I've been asked to join so many clubs, I can't tell you. There is a hunger in this society to do right racially, to not be racist. … And I feel rather privileged by it. I don't have to even look for opportunities in many cases. They come right to me." Shelby Steele

Read about white privilege. And then we can start a whole new forum for it.

My first point was to read more books especially ones not shoved down your throats by academic curricula.

Does white privilege exist? Attack the theory not me.

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> None of you would change places with
> me and I'm rich! That's how good it
> is to be white!" Chris Rock being funny

A stereotype isn't made any more valid just just because its being suggested by someone who belongs to an ethnicity that is used to being stereotyped. Personally, I wouldn't trade places with Mr. Rock, but then again I wouldn't trade places with Brad Pitt, either. I like me (a little too much some people might say), and I'm not inclined to "switch places" with anyone, be they white, black, young or rich.

> "Every country club now has a diversity
> committee. I've been asked to join so
> many clubs, I can't tell you. There is
> a hunger in this society to do right
> racially, to not be racist. … And I feel
> rather privileged by it. I don't have
> to even look for opportunities in many
> cases. They come right to me." Shelby Steele

Again, I'm not quite sure of what you are saying. Are you suggesting that working to overcome the ethnocentric divisiveness is a bad thing? And, how does this relate to the issue of privilege, really?

> Read about white privilege. And then
> we can start a whole new forum for it.

I have read about the subject, and have studied the sociological and political relationships of global ethnic minorities due to my personal interest in the subject. But I see no need to start a whole new forum in order to have an intelligent conversation about the subject that you have suggested was the actual purpose of your blog. In fact, that strikes me a rather disingenuous attempt at a dodge.

> My first point was to read more books
> especially ones not shoved down your
> throats by academic curricula.

And, that's a very good suggestion. I read voraciously and I'm always looking for some new volume to satisfy my cravings. But, that begs the question once again of how many of the books from your linked list have you actually read? It seems rather presumptuous to judge the value of certain books if you've never actually read them yourself.

On a relevant side note, what titles would be your "top ten books that everyone should read?"

> Does white privilege exist?

To a degree, certainly (and in some settings very much so). But is it the root cause of every inequality in our society or all around the world? No, I don't think it is.

> Attack the theory not me.

Might I suggest then that you lay off the "white ignorance" crap. Once you've tossed the first fist-full of mud, its rather difficult to sound credible when you start crying about getting mud on your nice, white suit.

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